As Venezuela Burns

Discussion in 'In The News' started by doghouse, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. LelandJ

    LelandJ Chicken Testicle Enthusiast

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    Time for another Opants sabbatical from DW?
     
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  2. OfficePants

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    :sadwhy:
     
  3. OfficePants

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    You sure?
     
  4. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    Dont listen to the nip
     
  5. OfficePants

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  6. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    Made me laugh how that woman said "there is poor people here too! I didnt use to be poor" yeah well
     
  7. OfficePants

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    Thank socialism.
     
  8. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    Olo we used to switch both cars every year till 2010, then to avoid problems we bought cars for mid 2000's. Old car, no one gives a shit about you. One of my friends dad bought a 4runner, then put burned oil all over the car and let it rest for a couple or days so it wouls look older.
     
  9. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    Last two days have been very hectic for me in Venezuela. Will disclose the full info later on, but it is a damn good story.
     
  10. OfficePants

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    It better involve chicks.
     
  11. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    It actually it does and also involved smuggling people out of the country due to government views. All done from my phone.
     
  12. OfficePants

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    Sounds like a cute video game. Come back to Earth when you get a chance.
     
  13. Leitmotif

    Leitmotif Eating his po boy w/oyster,petrosyan caviar,& gold

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    Never
     
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  14. WildBlue

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    He is too busy driking Vodka Martinis in a sciol collo dinner giacca whilst defeating evil globalists corrupting Cacazuela.
     
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  18. Thruth

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    doghouse King Of The Elite Idiots Moderator Supporter

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    Might be getting close to the death throes.

     
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  21. Lord Buckley

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    Hopefully not just yet, I'm stilled owed a couple of grand...
     
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  22. Fwiffo

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    How to make Venezuela's economy great again

    "As OPEC meets on Thursday, its most oil-rich member is collapsing into chaos.

    While Saudi Arabia, Russia and even the United States and Canada make headlines as petroleum giants, it is actually troubled Venezuela that has the world's largest reserves of crude, something in the order of 300 billion barrels. Even at reduced current world prices, back-of-the-envelope calculations show that oil wealth alone should make all Venezuelan families U.S. dollar millionaires."

    I recall reading somewhere a few years ago that oil had to be $160 per barrel for Venezuela to get a profit due to infrastructure and operational inefficiencies.
     
  23. Lord Buckley

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    They tried to sell some exploration blocks a couple of years back, no one took them up, as they knew they could be seized and nationalised at anytime. No oil major was willing to take the risk.

    Things are no so good in The Kingdom either: reserves being used up to keep their population compliant and fighting the war in Yemen.
     
  24. Fwiffo

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    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...ttps://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

    "What do I have when I go to deliver a baby? Only a pair of gloves and maybe a clamp for the cord," said David Flora, who recently completed a two-year stint as the sole doctor in a referral hospital in Rio Chico, a town three hours' drive west of Caracas. "If the placenta doesn't descend, if I need to stop bleeding, if the baby has respiratory distress – I have no way to attend that. I have one bed and a pair of gloves and a line of women waiting at the door to deliver. Women arrive at 40 weeks pregnant with no file, they have had no prenatal care, and I know nothing about them. I don't even know how many babies are in that belly because they haven't had an ultrasound. I don't even have a fetoscope to listen, so I don't know the size of the pelvis, the size of the baby, if the baby is even alive. If the mother needs a caesarean, she dies."

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    The salt in the wound is the rosy image put forth by Mr. Maduro. The President regularly appears on television celebrating the achievements of the "Bolivarian revolution" begun by his predecessor Hugo Chavez – or, on days with particularly large opposition demonstrations, he takes over the national airwaves to host a salsa music program. In an Orwellian declaration not long ago, he celebrated a reduction in obesity thanks to government health programs.
     
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  25. Rambo

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    Countdown To War On Venezuela
    On Sunday Venezuela will hold an general election of participants of a constitutional assembly. Half of the representatives will be elected from regular electoral districts. The other half will be elected from and by eight special constituencies like "workers", "farmers", "employers", etc. The second part may be unusual but is no less democratic than the U.S. system which gives voters in rural states more weight than city dwellers.

    The new assembly will formulate changes to the current constitution. Those changes will be decided on in another general vote. It is likely that the outcome will reinforce the favorite policies of a great majority of the people and of the social-democratic government under President Manduro.

    The more wealthy part of the population as well as the foreign lobbies and governments have tried to prevent or sabotage the upcoming election. The U.S. has used various economic pressure points against the Venezuelan government including economic warfare with ever increasing sanctions. The opposition has held violent street rallies, attacked government institutions and supporters and called for general strikes.

    But the NYT propaganda pictures of opposition rallies in the capitol Caracas show only small crowds of dozens to a few hundred of often violent youth. The opposition calls for general strikes have had little resonance as even the feverish anti-Maduro Washington Post has to concede:

    In the wealthier eastern half of the city, most businesses closed to support the strike called by the opposition, which is boycotting the vote and calling for its cancellation.
    The main highways of the capital city were largely closed down in the early morning, and reports surfaced of national police lobbing tear gas at strikers in the center. In the poorer neighborhoods in the west, the strike appeared less pronounced, with more businesses open and more people on the streets.

    (Translation of the WaPo propagandese: "Not even the rich opposition neighborhoods of the city closed down completely. Attempts by the opposition to block central roads were prevented by the police. In the poorer parts of the city the opposition call for a strike was simply ignored.") The opposition is only active within the richer strata of the population and only in a few big cities. The poor rural areas have gained under the social-democratic governments and continue to favor it.

    In an op-ed in yesterday's New York Times the "regime change" lobby of the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA) laid out the steps towards an upcoming war in Venezuela:

    Since the plebiscite, Venezuela’s opposition has taken steps toward establishing a parallel government. This might remain a symbolic initiative. But if the opposition continues down this road, it will soon be looking for international recognition and funding, and will at least implicitly be asserting the parallel government’s claim to the legitimate monopoly on the use of force. After that it will seek what every government wants: weapons to defend itself. If it succeeds, Venezuela could plunge into a civil war that will make the current conflict seem like high school fisticuffs.
    (The WOLA was also involved in Hillary Clinton's coup in Honduras.)

    The CIA is quite open about the plans:

    In one of the clearest clues yet about Washington’s latest meddling in the politics of Latin America, CIA director Mike Pompeo said he was “hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there”.
    He added: “I was just down in Mexico City and in Bogota a week before last talking about this very issue, trying to help them understand the things they might do so that they can get a better outcome for their part of the world and our part of the world.”

    The piece notes:

    In Venezuela, [the U.S. government] has sought to weaken the elected governments of both Mr Maduro and his predecessor Hugo Chavez, who was briefly ousted in a 2002 coup. Some of the effort has been in distributing funds to opposition groups through organisations such as the National Endowment for Democracy, while some has been in the form of simple propaganda.
    In May 2016 unidentified US officials told reporters in a background briefing that Venezuela was descending into a deepening “crisis” that could end in violence.

    We can conclude that the upcoming violence in Venezuela is not a spontaneous action of the opposition but the implementation of a plan that has been around since at least May 2016. It is likely to follow the color revolution by force script the U.S. developed and implemented in several countries over the last decade. Weapon supply and mercenary support for the opposition will come in from and through the neighboring countries the CIA head visited.

    The vote to the constitutional assembly will proceed as planned. The opposition will attempt to sabotage it or, if that fails, proceed with violence. Weapons and tactical advice and support have likely already been provided through CIA channels.

    The Venezuelan government is supported by a far larger constituency than the U.S. aligned right-wing opposition. The military has shown no sign of disloyalty to the government. Unless there is some unforeseeable event any attempt to overthrow the government will fail.

    The U.S. can further hurt Venezuela by closing down oil imports from the country. But this will likely increase U.S. gas prices. It would create a some short term inconvenience for Venezuela, but oil is fungible and other customers will be available.

    To overthrow the Venezuelan government has been tried since the first election of a somewhat socialist government in 1999. The U.S. instigated coup in 2002 failed when the people and the military stood up against the blatant interference. The "regime change" methods have since changed with the added support of a militant "democratic opposition" fed from the outside. The use of that tool had negative outcomes in Libya and Ukraine and it failed in Syria. I am confident that the government of Venezuela has analyzed those cases and prepared its own plans to counter a similar attempt.

    The U.S. just ordered the relatives of its embassy employees out of the country. Such is only done when imminent action is expected.
     
  26. Lord Buckley

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    There was a tiny blip and glimmer earlier this year as they settled some of the outstanding debt they had with suppliers in the oil industry. Now once again they can't pay anyone. One hopes the opposition can do something soon because when those oil refineries go off line, the country will starve literally and we'll see how great and popular the revolution is then. Wiping your ass with your bare hand is one thing, but when you have to go kill your neighbour and boil him for food is another level of socialist savagery all together.

     
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  27. Fwiffo

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    Trump doesn't rule out military option for Venezuela

    It's going to be resolved just like North Korea...with fire and fury.

    "We have many options for Venezuela, including a possible military option if necessary," Mr Trump told reporters on Friday evening. "We have troops all over the world in places that are very far away. Venezuela is not very far away and the people are suffering and they're dying."
     
  28. Scherensammler

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    He forgot to mention that the CIA is plotting another regime change there. And it shows similarities to other regime changes like the ones in Libya, Iraq and Syria. Sanctions first, freezing bank accounts, more sanctions (which conveniently hit the people they allegedly try to protect most) and eventually military intervention.
    Which leaves us with one question: Where in the world is @Rainman right now?
     
  29. Fwiffo

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    Leitmotif is banned. We won't get any more 'firsthand' news.

    "Venezuela's president has ordered the armed forces to hold exercises following US President Donald Trump comments about military intervention."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-40931216

    How capable is the Venezuelan military? Are we talking North Korea or Syria/Iraq type mobilization or something smaller?
     
  30. Thruth

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    When did he ever post "first hand news" about Venezuela?
     
  31. Lord Buckley

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  32. Fwiffo

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    Wasn't he always claiming how he and his family crawled out from some poverty hole there?

    Isn't this the equivalent to a retail store selling its real estate and then leasing it back for one more cash injection? I could also make an analogy about a junkie.
     
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