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Hillary is still around because the Democrats are still shilling her, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein. The party of geriatrics.
 

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What happened to Jon Ossoff? Now that Democrats have the wind in their backs, will they abandon him and choose other standard bearers?
 

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With Bannon's ignoble departure from Breitbart, the news is saying how incumbent establishment Republicans are safe in next year's elections from their own because the anti-establishment forces are in disarray. Didn't tea party and all that stuff precede Bannon?
 

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President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working'

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt: "NHS may have challenges but I'm proud to be from the country that invented universal coverage - where all get care, no matter the size of their bank balance."

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn: "People were marching because we love our NHS and hate what the Tories are doing to it."
So good that you wait a month for a non-emergency appointment with your doctor, so good that treatment is carefully rationed and limited. So good that no civilized country has copied it. So good it remains the envy of the third world.
 

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/progressive-conservative-leadership-race-doug-ford-1.4526674

"Doug Ford's supporters on Twitter are calling on him to 'Make Ontario Great Again,' but the candidate for the leadership of the Progressive Conservative Party is laughing off the idea of adopting Donald Trump's catchphrase as a campaign slogan and rejecting any comparisons to the U.S president. 'No, I haven't seen that one. That's a good one,' Ford told CBC News and Radio-Canada reporters Tuesday when asked about the hashtag #MOGA circulating on Twitter. 'That's funny,'.....He's promising to lower taxes and bring manufacturing jobs back to the province. He's promising to be a voice for those who have 'been ignored for far too long.'"

"'He tells you no crap. He delivers what he says. He's just an honest guy,' Mendrycki said about Ford."

"[Patricia] Winter said she doesn't want a woman leading the PCs or the province. 'I think we need a man, a backbone. It's just my feeling a man will do a better job as premier than a female,' Winter said."

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...n-ontario-pc-leadership-race/article37928148/

"'I live with five women at home,' Doug Ford said this week. 'I can handle Caroline Mulroney and Christine Elliott...'"

"Among the things we already know about Mr. Ford: He was, as revealed by this newspaper, a drug dealer in the 1980s. He was the lead defender, by some accounts an enabler, of his troubled brother. As a one-term city councillor, he went to war with Toronto's police chief because of investigations into his brother, and got in a nasty public fight with the managers of a home for developmentally disabled kids in his ward. He is at once unusually right-wing – opposing social spending many other conservatives support – and prone to championing grandiose projects, such as construction of a giant Ferris wheel on Toronto's waterfront. He often presents, to many eyes at least, as a bully."
 

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Who are the other contenders?
Prince Charles.

Queen Elizabeth is our head of state now represented locally by the Governor General. It's the same for Australia and New Zealand. If it is open for debate I'd rather avoid Charles because he's already 70. We'd have to re-do all the coins, currency and stamps.
 

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Prince Charles.

Queen Elizabeth is our head of state now represented locally by the Governor General. It's the same for Australia and New Zealand. If it is open for debate I'd rather avoid Charles because he's already 70. We'd have to re-do all the coins, currency and stamps.
i thought it was basically decided that he would be skipped. didn't know he was still in contention.
 

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He can't be skipped. He is the next in line. But that does not necessarily have anything to do with head of the commonwealth.

The head of the commonwealth does not necessarily need to be the Queen or King. It is a non-governmental organization and plays no role in the Queen. There are constitutional monarchies and republics as commonwealth members.

Head of state is another deal all together.

Elizabeth is Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia, Queen of the UK etc. All independent deals. She just multi-tasks.
 

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I'd rather avoid Charles because he's already 70. We'd have to re-do all the coins, currency and stamps.
I think that you’re forgetting that they belong to a race of shapeshifting lizards who go on living practically for ever.

You needn’t worry.

On a more serious note, wouldn’t it be in fact better, at least for the royalists among us, to give this thing to Principe Carlo as a pet project? The monarchy has a better chance to survive practically with any other member of the royalty succeeding the Queen.
 
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Tories now calling for Corbyn to face the Foreign Affairs Committee - BBC and Sky News remain silent not a mention that the leader of the opposition has been outed as a spy during the Cold War by his handler. More lies by omission.
 

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Tories now calling for Corbyn to face the Foreign Affairs Committee - BBC and Sky News remain silent not a mention that the leader of the opposition has been outed as a spy during the Cold War by his handler. More lies by omission.
Nothing will come from this. Just the usual distraction from the fact that all MPs try to avoid Brexit as much as they can.
Right now the EU is pushing forward with it's agenda of having more control over everything before the Italian general election.
 

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Berlusconi and his Forza Italia are back?
He's never been away. Berlusconi himself has been banned from taking public office but he still has a lot of influence with his media outlets.
It looks like the Euro/ EU sceptic parties could win a majority in the next election. Since it's Italy, it's hard to tell whether they can agree on a government.
Germany still doesn't have a proper government. However it turns out, it's very likely to be a continuation of EU friendly policy including flooding Europe with more migrants. Merkel's CDU and the SPD (Schulz has resigned) loose more and more support, which is probably why they try to avoid another general election at all costs.
 

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Tories now calling for Corbyn to face the Foreign Affairs Committee - BBC and Sky News remain silent not a mention that the leader of the opposition has been outed as a spy during the Cold War by his handler. More lies by omission.
i'm still not sure what concrete proof there is of Corbyn's wrongdoing? some guy on Czech tv is all it takes now to send someone to the gulag?
 

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He's never been away. Berlusconi himself has been banned from taking public office but he still has a lot of influence with his media outlets.
I know he never gave up, but he can't take office so he's just the equivalent of a patron saint. I thought support for his party collapsed when Renzi was elected.
 

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i'm still not sure what concrete proof there is of Corbyn's wrongdoing? some guy on Czech tv is all it takes now to send someone to the gulag?
It's the proverbial smoking gun and it warrants investigation.

We know ideologically that Corbyn is/was aligned to a Soviet style system. He travelled on biking holidays in East Germany. He entertained IRA members at the Houses of Commons. He has a track record of aligning himself with anti-Western forces that continues to this day.

There is a known Stasi file on him. Under German law he can ask for this, it will not be made public unless he requests so. In the interest of transparency he should make this public.

In any event, it still will not make one iota of difference to his core fan base if he is found to have been a Soviet spy. However, it will result in a Labour civil war as the remaining moderates take this as an opportunity to oust him, but the priveliged Momentum attack dogs will not give uo the reigns of power so easily.
 

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A more potent sign that the attacks had failed was how quickly other members of May’s party retreated when the allegations about Corbyn were thoroughly debunked by former British spies and records available in the archives of the Czech secret service. Those records, an archivist told the BBC, showed only that a spy posing as a diplomat had spoken with Corbyn in the 1980s, but had not recruited him as a source.


The former spy, Jan Sarkocy, whose testimony against Corbyn is the only source for the slew of British newspaper stories branding the Labour leader a traitor, subsequently undermined his own credibility in an interview with a Czech newspaper, Novy ?as. Asked what kind of information Corbyn had provided to him, Sarkocy boasted that it was so detailed that he knew what then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher ate for breakfast each day and what clothes she planned to wear one day in advance.

Sarkocy did not explain how Corbyn — who was then a marginal figure on the far-left of the opposition Labour Party — would have known such intimate details about the daily habits of the far-right, Conservative prime minister.

The former spy then boosted suspicions that he was a fabulist by also claiming to have secretly organized a huge pop concert at Wembley Stadium in the late ’80s — apparently confusing the Live Aid concert in 1985 with a tribute to Nelson Mandela in 1988. “It was funded by Czechoslovakia,” Sarkocy told the Czech paper.

The absurdity of the former spy’s claims inspired even Andrew Neil, a former editor of the Murdoch-owned Sunday Times, to eviscerate a Conservative member of Parliament, Steve Baker, for refusing to admit that the story his colleagues had promoted was false. “Surely the real scandal,” Neil told Baker, “isn’t what Mr. Corbyn has supposedly done, or not done, it’s the outright lies and disinformation that your fellow Tories are spreading.”


Faced with the threat of legal action for having libeled Corbyn, another Conservative MP, Ben Bradley — previously best-known for having advocated the sterilization of the poor — deleted a tweet in which he falsely claimed that “Corbyn sold British secrets to communist spies.”

Corbyn’s lawyers have demanded that Bradley also tweet an apology for having made the accusation and make a donation to a charity of the Labour leader’s choice.

On Tuesday night, Corbyn replied to the smear campaign in a video statement that quickly racked up more than 1.5 million views on social networks, in which he called the former spy’s claims “increasingly wild and entirely false.”


Corbyn also signaled that he would not be following the example of Labour’s former leader Tony Blair, who had courted Murdoch and other tabloid owners. Instead, Corbyn hinted, the newspapers should brace themselves for more regulation should he come to power.

It’s easy to laugh, but something more serious is happening. Publishing these ridiculous smears that have been refuted by Czech officials shows just how worried the media bosses are by the prospect of a Labour government.

A free press is essential for democracy and we don’t want to close it down, we want to open it up. At the moment, much of our press isn’t very free at all. In fact it’s controlled by billionaire tax exiles, who are determined to dodge paying their fair share for our vital public services.

The general election showed the media barons are losing their influence and social media means their bad old habits are becoming less and less relevant. But instead of learning these lessons they’re continuing to resort to lies and smears. Their readers — you, all of us — deserve so much better. Well, we’ve got news for them: Change is coming.

Faced with overwhelming evidence that their effort to tie Corbyn to Czech intelligence had failed, reporters for the far-right tabloids moved on to loudly demanding that the Labour leader permit the release of a supposed file on him compiled by the East German secret service, the Stasi. That effort also fell flat when German officials who oversee the Stasi archive announced that they had found no documents at all on Corbyn.
 

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A more potent sign that the attacks had failed was how quickly other members of May’s party retreated when the allegations about Corbyn were thoroughly debunked by former British spies and records available in the archives of the Czech secret service. Those records, an archivist told the BBC, showed only that a spy posing as a diplomat had spoken with Corbyn in the 1980s, but had not recruited him as a source.


The former spy, Jan Sarkocy, whose testimony against Corbyn is the only source for the slew of British newspaper stories branding the Labour leader a traitor, subsequently undermined his own credibility in an interview with a Czech newspaper, Novy ?as. Asked what kind of information Corbyn had provided to him, Sarkocy boasted that it was so detailed that he knew what then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher ate for breakfast each day and what clothes she planned to wear one day in advance.

Sarkocy did not explain how Corbyn — who was then a marginal figure on the far-left of the opposition Labour Party — would have known such intimate details about the daily habits of the far-right, Conservative prime minister.

The former spy then boosted suspicions that he was a fabulist by also claiming to have secretly organized a huge pop concert at Wembley Stadium in the late ’80s — apparently confusing the Live Aid concert in 1985 with a tribute to Nelson Mandela in 1988. “It was funded by Czechoslovakia,” Sarkocy told the Czech paper.

The absurdity of the former spy’s claims inspired even Andrew Neil, a former editor of the Murdoch-owned Sunday Times, to eviscerate a Conservative member of Parliament, Steve Baker, for refusing to admit that the story his colleagues had promoted was false. “Surely the real scandal,” Neil told Baker, “isn’t what Mr. Corbyn has supposedly done, or not done, it’s the outright lies and disinformation that your fellow Tories are spreading.”


Faced with the threat of legal action for having libeled Corbyn, another Conservative MP, Ben Bradley — previously best-known for having advocated the sterilization of the poor — deleted a tweet in which he falsely claimed that “Corbyn sold British secrets to communist spies.”

Corbyn’s lawyers have demanded that Bradley also tweet an apology for having made the accusation and make a donation to a charity of the Labour leader’s choice.

On Tuesday night, Corbyn replied to the smear campaign in a video statement that quickly racked up more than 1.5 million views on social networks, in which he called the former spy’s claims “increasingly wild and entirely false.”

Corbyn also signaled that he would not be following the example of Labour’s former leader Tony Blair, who had courted Murdoch and other tabloid owners. Instead, Corbyn hinted, the newspapers should brace themselves for more regulation should he come to power.

It’s easy to laugh, but something more serious is happening. Publishing these ridiculous smears that have been refuted by Czech officials shows just how worried the media bosses are by the prospect of a Labour government.

A free press is essential for democracy and we don’t want to close it down, we want to open it up. At the moment, much of our press isn’t very free at all. In fact it’s controlled by billionaire tax exiles, who are determined to dodge paying their fair share for our vital public services.

The general election showed the media barons are losing their influence and social media means their bad old habits are becoming less and less relevant. But instead of learning these lessons they’re continuing to resort to lies and smears. Their readers — you, all of us — deserve so much better. Well, we’ve got news for them: Change is coming.

Faced with overwhelming evidence that their effort to tie Corbyn to Czech intelligence had failed, reporters for the far-right tabloids moved on to loudly demanding that the Labour leader permit the release of a supposed file on him compiled by the East German secret service, the Stasi. That effort also fell flat when German officials who oversee the Stasi archive announced that they had found no documents at all on Corbyn.
Of course, the Stasi files that are in Germany refer to the Labour Party and the Labour Party Group For Peace of which Corbyn was a chairman of as being infiltrated by agents. The personal files are held by the CIA:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenholz_files

The Stasi had files on everyone, one spy and informer for every 10 people I believe? They will have had a file on Corbyn and Abbott having visited East Germany on a bicycle holiday in the 1980s.

Somewhat academic I agree, other than the threat of a Labour civil war, the fact that Corbyn had dalliances with anti-Brit and anti-capitalist forces will go down well with his core voting base.
 
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