The Trump Presidency

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Was a Commie, will never be one again.



WHY!!! No!!!!!!!!
you'd probably get that from socialists who have lived in an exclusively socialist system as well. i honestly don't know what the right system is but its VERY clear that capitalism is not the answer here, or anywhere else. we'll likely end up mixing and matching elements from a few different systems. papa marx is going to get a lot of play in the next few years here.
 

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Hard to say. Feels like there might be. Going right over the last decade only cost the GOP a few moderate conservatives / RINOs (like me) and nabbed them a groundswell of grassroots support.

The populace is polarizing. The GOP were smart enough to jump on that crazy train and harness the votes. The DNC are still trying to sit in the middle to appease their corporate backers - though it will cost them elections.
 

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nothing's ever going to change until we get a 3rd party in this country
Preach.

I still don’t know who I’m going to vote for this fall. I may vote third party again, or I may vote Democrat (!!!). Probably will vote third party though. I stopped identifying with the GOP as an institution after McConnell proclaimed they’d do everything in their power to impede Obama; I don’t feel like rewarding the Democrats with my vote for doing the same thing with Trump. Plus, as much as I align with them on a lot of social issues, their first answer for everything is government.
 

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Coming from a former socialist/commie, capitalism is the best system there given human nature of greed, selfishness, narcissism, etc. It might not be the perfect system, but it is the best system.

Sad thing is those who vehemently advocate for Marxism/Lennism here have never lived in socialist countries.
 

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I dislike John McCain as much as I hate Maxine Waters. How the fuck do those cock suckers get voted in for years.
I like McCain a lot. I wish he had won in 2000. Had 2000 McCain run in 2008, he would have won, I think.

Coming from a former socialist/commie, capitalism is the best system there given human nature of greed, selfishness, narcissism, etc. It might not be the perfect system, but it is the best system.

Sad thing is those who vehemently advocate for Marxism/Lennism here have never lived in socialist countries.
Aspects of capitalism can of course be improved, but it is broadly the best system for the United States.

I suspect most people arguing for democratic socialism are looking towards Scandinavia and not Vietnam, North Korea, or China. What they don’t understand is that the United States is VERY different from Scandinavia and other Western European countries. What works there won’t necessarily work here.
 

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I think the problem here is not everyone has a collectivism type of thought process, the emphasis here is individualism (which my family came here for). in addition, our population is way too diverse for any sort of grand socialistic idea to function. A good analogy is everyone wants a piece of the pie, but only limited of people are willing to make it, while the rest just wait to be fed.
 

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I'm coming at things from the other end of the spectrum and agree. I am on the left-libertarian (Dem Confed, libsoc, whatever label you wanna use) and I could not stomach voting for the Dems last election so went third party. If there is one thing lefties dislike nearly as much as fascists, it's probably liberals. I couldn't stomach voting for Hilary as a Lesser of Two Evils candidate. I would happily vote for Jim Webb - not so much our of ideological alignment but just because the dude has character and good intent.
 

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I'm coming at things from the other end of the spectrum and agree. I am on the left-libertarian (Dem Confed, libsoc, whatever label you wanna use) and I could not stomach voting for the Dems last election so went third party. If there is one thing lefties dislike nearly as much as fascists, it's probably liberals. I couldn't stomach voting for Hilary as a Lesser of Two Evils candidate. I would happily vote for Jim Webb - not so much our of ideological alignment but just because the dude has character and good intent.
Jim Webb is a raging piece of shit.
 
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If Rand Paul has the guts Ron Paul does, i vote for him every election. Also would vote for the likes of Alan West and Herman Cain.
rand paul is a fucking idiot and so is his stupid fucking father. libertarinism has got to be the dumbest political ideology ever cocked up by the assholes in america.

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I'm coming at things from the other end of the spectrum and agree. I am on the left-libertarian (Dem Confed, libsoc, whatever label you wanna use) and I could not stomach voting for the Dems last election so went third party. If there is one thing lefties dislike nearly as much as fascists, it's probably liberals. I couldn't stomach voting for Hilary as a Lesser of Two Evils candidate. I would happily vote for Jim Webb - not so much our of ideological alignment but just because the dude has character and good intent.
jim webb? really? he'd have us at war just so he could feed his erection.
I like McCain a lot. I wish he had won in 2000. Had 2000 McCain run in 2008, he would have won, I think.
we all have our blindspots i suppose.
 

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Please. I would do libertarinism any day over democratic socialism which is just a cover for socialism.

To be honest, I think a revolution is needed to gut our current political bodies.
 

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Jim Webb is a raging piece of shit.
I think we had this conversation years ago, but I'll bite: why do you say that?

I think he honestly believes he is the champion fighting for a post-racial society (I don't see race/ everyone bleeds green in the Marine Corp) , but his recent musings on cotton picking and confed flags show how much he is missing the point.

For all his foreign policy chops, I think he lacks the economics background to not get eaten alive if put in charge of the economy.

But, again, I think he has character and integrity.
 

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Please. I would do libertarinism any day over democratic socialism which is just a cover for socialism.

I would do libertarian socialism any day over ancap, which is usually just a cover for neo-fascism.

To be honest, I think a revolution is needed to gut our current political bodies.
To be honest, I think a revolution is needed to gut our current political bodies.
Comrad :)
 

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Pure libertarianism works in small communities. I only semi-identify with libertarians because I strongly believe our approach to government jurisdiction should not be top down but bottom up. Can we trust individuals not to fuck this up for other people? Yes? No government. No? Is this something that a municipal government can handle? Yes? Good. No? Is this something a state government can handle? Are you really sure a municipal government can’t handle it? No? Okay, state government... etc etc etc
 

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I think we had this conversation years ago, but I'll bite: why do you say that?

I think he honestly believes he is the champion fighting for a post-racial society (I don't see race/ everyone bleeds green in the Marine Corp) , but his recent musings on cotton picking and confed flags show how much he is missing the point.

For all his foreign policy chops, I think he lacks the economics background to not get eaten alive if put in charge of the economy.

But, again, I think he has character and integrity.

He is a flimsy waif flittering where ever the wind blows, it's the antithesis of character and integrity. How can anyone have a different opinion of his manifold flip flops over the years?

And that whole wearing combat boots schtick is retarded. Yeah, supporting your kid s fine but you are just showing yourself to operate at a white trash emotional impulse level. Ridiculous. Put on some proper shoes clown.
 
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