Allen Edmonds Sizing

[Betelgeuse]

Hello everyone

I'm planning on buying the Allen Edmonds Dalton boots. But I have some doubts with the sizing. Today I went to a store that has a few models of Carmina shoes, I tried the Simpson last and the Rain last. On both, I thought the 8UK would be enough, but it's a bit tight in my toes. The 8.5UK is perfect.

So... what size do you think I shoul be safe for the Dalton's.. 9 US or 9.5US?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Zé Ferreira]

You found a local Carmina dealer? Explícate!

 

[Betelgeuse]

You found a local Carmina dealer? Explícate!

Yes! I asked on the Carmina's Facebook if by any chance they had a dealer in Mexico, surprisingly they said yes and they gave me the address. But the address was from the headquarters that imports them. Wrote them an email and a guy called me and gave me the correct address. So I went and try the limited collection they have. Very much like the Alden's, they have been importing Carmina shoes like for 2 months. The price is $8,000 pesos, I still think I can get them cheaper in the US and send them as a gift to Mexico, but the advantage of buying them in here is that I can include them in my operational costs and make them tax deductible. So maybe in November I will have my first pair of Carmina's!

But this AE Dalton's for $199, I think it's a fantastic price! I remember the guy at Nordstrom based on the size of my Santoni's told me I should use 9.5D

 

[Betelgeuse]

Compared to the sizing on Carmina, how does the Dalton's run?

 

[Betelgeuse]

Thanks, Harvey! Aside from that, the lasts on boots tend to be a bit more roomier, right?

 

[Grand Potentate]

The Dalton is on the 2 last seen here:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/AllAboutLastsView?catalogId=40000000001&langId=-1&storeId=1

 

[Grand Potentate]

It's on the 1 last, dummy.

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/cati2_Shoes_1_40000000001_-1_______121070_subcategory

Goodyear Welted Styles
Allen Edmonds utilizes different lasts in manufacturing our welted footwear. In most cases, styles designated by a four-digit style number. The last number is the same as the style’s final digit.

This is interesting - it seems that the different materials and colors are all coming in different lasts. Never seen that one before.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Just sent the details to process the order. Decided to get the 9D US, the guys from customer service is what they recommended. Think positive, they are going to fit perfectly.

 

[Zé Ferreira]

I'm excited for you Betelgeuse . Do post teh pics afterwards!

 

[Betelgeuse]

I'm excited for you Betelgeuse . Do post teh pics afterwards!

Thanks amigo. You bet! tumblr and here will have the pics!

And special thanks to Harveybirdman, cause he helped me sending the email to them, asking for the shoe list and forwarding it to me. Thanks amigo!

 

[Betelgeuse]

Receipt received!

Quick question... I have to pay the tax if I'm an international customer?

 

[Grand Potentate]

Correct

 

[Betelgeuse]

Sales tax? You shouldn't have to pay that

This one is the one they charging me, it's not that much, if I have to pay it, it's ok, but I have the doubt.

 

[Grand Potentate]

Email them about that. It could be some Mexican tax/import thing that they're listing there. Or, thry might have fucked up.

Btw - how the fuck did you snag a Dalton for $200? Is that a 2nd?

 

[Betelgeuse]

Email them about that. It could be some Mexican tax/import thing that they're listing there. Or, thry might have fucked up.

Btw - how the fuck did you snag a Dalton for $200? Is that a 2nd?

Already did that, the email thing.

Yes, sir. To the second question. I have no idea what are second's but I think it was a good deal.

 

[Grand Potentate]

Already did that, the email thing.

Yes, sir. To the second question. I have no idea what are second's but I think it was a good deal.

Factory seconds - production level shoes with slight defects. They sell for a cheaper peice that firsts (no defects) because they're a little fucked up.

A particular favorite of Vox

 

[Betelgeuse]

Factory seconds - production level shoes with slight defects. They sell for a cheaper peice that firsts (no defects) because they're a little fucked up.

A particular favorite of Vox

Huh... so was this a good option or should I tell them to cancel my order?

Vox hates a lot of things. Haha

 

[Grand Potentate]

Huh... so was this a good option or should I tell them to cancel my order?

Vox hates a lot of things. Haha

I don't know if yours were 2nds or not. At that price, I wouldn't cancel.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I don't know if yours were 2nds or not. At that price, I wouldn't cancel.

Yeap they were second's. I will tell my friend in Oklahoma to check them and send me pics. If we see a flaw that can be bad, I can return them, right?

 

[Grand Potentate]

Yeap they were second's. I will tell my friend in Oklahoma to check them and send me pics. If we see a flaw that can be bad, I can return them, right?

Wait, they're being sent to Oklahoma? If that's the case, then they were right in charging you tax. I thought they were shipping them to Mexico.

You can return them no problem.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Wait, they're being sent to Oklahoma? If that's the case, then they were right in charging you tax. I thought they were shipping them to Mexico.

You can return them no problem.

Oh.. ok to both questions.

Assuming they were from the list I forwarded then yes they are seconds.

I have two pair of AE seconds myself, a Park Ave and a Leeds. Neither has any exterior cosmetic blemishes and are two of my favourite shoes.

Thanks, Harvey! I will think positive and think that those are going to be great!

 

[Zé Ferreira]

JCrew recently pulled out of Las Vegas. However, JCrew online still charges me sales tax despite there not being any physical location here.

There is an outlet though. I guess that's how they get their jollies here.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Oh, ok, well no problem with that. Still cheaper than the regular 16% tax in here.

 

[Chorn]

How did these guys go? I have three (of nine) pairs of AE which are seconds and I've had no problems.

 

[Grand Potentate]

How did these guys go? I have three (of nine) pairs of AE which are seconds and I've had no problems.

???

 

[Betelgeuse]

To update this thread, I bought the boots they are already in Oklahoma. They have some details (creasing in the part that cover the ankles and a darker spot that would be covered bu the trousers) that my friend sent to me, but for $200 usd I think it's not a big problem.

Pics

 

[Grand Potentate]

Jesus those are sexy. I've really got to figure out my size in that last.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Jesus those are sexy. I've really got to figure out my size in that last.

In AE you can't put a lot of excuses, amigo, cause I'm quite sure that somewhere in Miami you can find them to try them on.

 

[Chorn]

I like those boots. Definitely seconds, but in a good way, where the "damage" is basically along the lines of normal wear, tear, and breaking in. In a month of use, they would have looked like that anyway. Excellent purchase at $200.

Much better than that Meermin nightmare.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I like those boots. Definitely seconds, but in a good way, where the "damage" is basically along the lines of normal wear, tear, and breaking in. In a month of use, they would have looked like that anyway. Excellent purchase at $200.

Much better than that Meermin nightmare.

Indeed.

 

[Betelgeuse]

To update this thread a bit and also cause I need help.

The recommendation the guys from AE customer service made to me didn't work. The 9US was very very tight. I was talking to a guy in SF that recommended some stuff based on calculations. The number we end up with is 10US B. But since a B wide measurement might be hard to find I think the D will be nice. I'm used to wear a bit lose my shoes, I can't use them tight cause my foot expands a bit more when I step because of they being flat.

So I sold to my cousin the US 9 and I want to get the boots in US 10. They are beautiful boots and I want them in my closet! But the guys from the second's don't answer me! Dammit! Could someone call them for me and ask if they have the Daltons in Chestnut or the other lught color in US 10 D, please?

 

[Russell Street]

That last is wide on my not-narrow foot, so I can't imagine your long narrow foot working in a D width. It has open lacing, so I'd go narrow. My Long Branches have the laces pulled till the tongue is barely visible and there is still wiggle room.

Oh, I have no experience with the shoe bank or whatever they are called. Is there a way to e-mail them?
shoebank@allenedmonds.com

 

[Grand Potentate]

The width scale runs vertically up the alphabet, so a B width is actually NARROWER than a D width. Just so we're clear, because it sounds like the guy recommended you a narrower shoe.

 

[Zé Ferreira]

Yes, Betel - B-width is narrower than D-width.

 

[Grand Potentate]

Yes, Betel - B-width is narrower than D-width.

Thank you for reaffirming my correctness.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I know, hehe but according to the calculations my foot is a low volume but I think it's going to be very hard to find a B width.

 

[Grand Potentate]

I know, hehe but according to the calculations my foot is a low volume but I think it's going to be very hard to find a B width.

I'm confused by this. Aren't all your current shoes D width? I'm betting good money those Santoni's aren't B's.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I'm confused by this. Aren't all your current shoes D width? I'm betting good money those Santoni's aren't B's.

Those are tagged as F. But according to some guys the last of the Santoni's are elongated.

Check this

 

[Grand Potentate]

Right, so if the Santoni's are elongated, then the length difference is irrelevant, because the excess material making up the difference isn't something you can squeeze your toes in anyway. An F width in an Italian shoe is the same as a D width in an American. Now a sleeker cut might need a slightly larger size, but the width shouldn't need to change. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_size

Who the fuck have you been getting advice from???

Also, back to the Daltons - HOW were they tight? In the pinky toe, in the big toe, across the toe box, not enough room at the front so it felt like your toes were hitting the front of the shoes, etc.? Be descriptive.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Well, the Chelsea's are 8.5UK so according to the site of AE the US 9 should be the same. But the boot was very tight in my little toe and the length was just wearable. Maybe that was the factory second problem, not the true size.

Then I did the AE measurement thing and my feet extends to the 10 mark. I don't have those images in hand, when I use the PC I upload them.