As Venezuela Burns

Populism is a noun. A political doctrine is derived from it's meaning as a word. Same as the world populist is.

If you want to be accurate, then the political ideology is what you consider dangerous. Even though as an ideology it's pretty damn thin, unlike say socialism.

All this weasel talk aside, it's pretty rich to call it the 2nd most dangerous thing in the world.

pop·u·lism
ˈpäpyəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: populism
  1. support for the concerns of ordinary people.

  2. the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people.
 
Leitmotif said:
doghouse doghouse OfficePants OfficePants wouldnt that mean that in one way or the other any government is populist? At the end they win because they are popular and they gotta be popular with the common folk.
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Well, yes, which is why it's absurd to call it the 2nd most dangerous thing on the planet.

Every political figure sits around and talks about "the people" and basically none of them really give 2 fucks about them.

Chavez presented himself in a certain way, and proceeded to act like a dictator and a gangster.

This is why I'm struggling to understand why he's even considered a populist, because he's not and never was. I suppose you can say he used populist rhetoric? But I doubt very much he had anyone's interests at heard other than his own.

So in summary, all politicians use populist rhetoric to one degree or another, and for the most part its benign. Anyone like Chavez, Ferdinand Marcos or Berlusconi are just pieces of shit. Pieces of shit are a lot more dangerous than a populist doctrine.
 
OfficePants said:
So in summary, all politicians use populist rhetoric to one degree or another, and for the most part its benign. Anyone like Chavez, Ferdinand Marcos or Berlusconi are just pieces of shit. Pieces of shit are a lot more dangerous than a populist doctrine.
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In summary, no. And you forgot Trump on your piece of shit list.
 
doghouse said:
In summary, no. And you forgot Trump on your piece of shit list.
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Hardly a counterpoint, but ok. I assume you're out of ideas.

Trump has been in office for like 60 some days. He's only a piece of shit in your fantasy world, because the guy has hardly done anything.
 
OfficePants said:
Hardly a counterpoint, but ok. I assume you're out of ideas.

Trump has been in office for like 60 some days. He's only a piece of shit in your fantasy world, because the guy has hardly done anything.
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There's no counterpoint to make. Big P Populism is a political strategy, full stop. I already detailed for you the characteristics. It's extremely dangerous, and something direct democracy is especially susceptible to, which was specifically designed out of our form of governance. It's up to you to accept it or continue to tie yourself in knots to rationalize your emotional response that led you to here. If you say things like you don't understand how Chavez is considered populist, you just reinforce you don't understand what it means. He is practically in the dictionary next to the word, for good reason. It's what humanity has accepted as fact, whether you have or not.

If you haven't considered Trump a candidate for the electric chair since , oh, about 30 years ago, you haven't been paying attention.

I am firmly in reality. Which unfortunately, not many people are. They are fragile emotional creatures who use tortured logic to try and mold a reality which agrees with their feelings.
 
No, populism is a tactic, to appeal or get the message across to the widest possible demographic.

This of course goes against the grain of the divisive SJW/Democrat/Leftist world where we are all now boxed in on groups based on being white privileged or some kind of victimized "minority" group.
 
Lord Buckley said:
No, populism is a tactic, to appeal or get the message across to the widest possible demographic.

This of course goes against the grain of the divisive SJW/Democrat/Leftist world where we are all now boxed in on groups based on being white privileged or some kind of victimized "minority" group.
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Dude, that whole SJW demographic that you always rail against doesn't exist in the real world. It's only on the internet. Things are much more nuanced than what you make it out to be. And you're also wrong about populism. You and officepants refuse to read and study it, only relying on your opinion. You're prime targets for this kind of stuff. Read the bridgewater report, written by a bunch of conservative hedge fund types, as far from SJW as you can imagine. Who do you want to listen to, some shithead breitbart blogger or a guy who is betting hundreds of billions on the outcome?
There are 100s of other sources as well, have your pick.

"Dalio, who in November was bullish on the incoming president’s ability to stimulate the economy, is now saying he’s more concerned that the damaging effects of Trump’s populist policies may overwhelm the benefits of his pro-business agenda."
 
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I am prime target for no one, I act and move alone, I fall into no easily tangible group for marketing or political purposes. I act on what I consider is morally right and in the best medium and long term interests of my family and business interests.

Populism is a meaningless political ideology, it really has no meaning. When they say "populist policies" I know they really mean policies they don't believe in and they use "populist" as a euphemism to attract the university educated people who disdain or are frightened of the working class, or what they have escaped by a mere fluke of being born one or two generations down the line. This has become noticeable as we now have a generation that is university educated en masse, with lower achievements than previous university educated generations (comparatively), and so they need to be massaged that they are part of an intellectual elite who deserve the vote, whilst the morass of the working class actually are a bit too thick to be trusted to vote. That's the truth, I can see it, others just need to admit to it.
 
Whilst I agree, there is a time and place where morality becomes affordable. It remains an ideal: no harm to others.

But yes, if your kids are starving then you may well kill to feed them. So too, if your god is starving or has massive ego worshipping needs and sees others not praying to him, I can understand too, how individuals can be motivated to kill to appease their angry god. It's not the Jesus god, so who is it?
 
Lord Buckley said:
Whilst I agree, there is a time and place where morality becomes affordable. It remains an ideal: no harm to others.

But yes, if your kids are starving then you may well kill to feed them. So too, if your god is starving or has massive ego worshipping needs and sees others not praying to him, I can understand too, how individuals can be motivated to kill to appease their angry god. It's not the Jesus god, so who is it?
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Morality its nothing more than an opinion that changes as the views of the people due to certain aspects of life. Hell, I became midly racist here in the us after a certain number of events. My vision of the worls changed. Same thing can be said for morals, stealing is wrong, but for some people it maybe fine if they do no harm to others and because they needed to feed their kids. Its all relative as far as im concerned.

doghouse said:
Morals are not really a thing.
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I was answering to lord buckley. I think its more about conscience at the end.
 
This thread has started to demonstrate why Venezuela is becoming chaos.
doghouse said:
There's no counterpoint to make. Big P Populism is a political strategy, full stop. I already detailed for you the characteristics. It's extremely dangerous, and something direct democracy is especially susceptible to, which was specifically designed out of our form of governance. It's up to you to accept it or continue to tie yourself in knots to rationalize your emotional response that led you to here. If you say things like you don't understand how Chavez is considered populist, you just reinforce you don't understand what it means. He is practically in the dictionary next to the word, for good reason. It's what humanity has accepted as fact, whether you have or not.

If you haven't considered Trump a candidate for the electric chair since , oh, about 30 years ago, you haven't been paying attention.

I am firmly in reality. Which unfortunately, not many people are. They are fragile emotional creatures who use tortured logic to try and mold a reality which agrees with their feelings.
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It's dangerous in your eyes, but I have yet to hear a single reason why.

Democracy is susceptible, or it just responds to the will of the people that vote for it? If the rulers were kind to all, then why would it ever curry favor? It succeeds because people are disenfranchised, like the middle of America.

My response is pure logic, calling it "emotional" is the same style of tomfoolery that led your henchman to label me racist.

I don't understand why Chavez CONTINUES to be called populist because he is a dictator and a gangster. Seems agenda motivated. You can call it a fact all you want, but in the end that has exposed you because that label is subjective, and can never be a fact, at best it can be an example, or an opinion, so you don't and will never have a set of objective criteria to define the populist ideology expressed thru a person.

My opinion is that he was a dictator and a gangster, same as Putin. And someone can, with merit, disagree and say no because they had a parliment/senate/etc to check their power.

Trump, electric chair? And I thought the mainstream media was salivating.
 
Monkeyface said:
Dude, that whole SJW demographic that you always rail against doesn't exist in the real world. It's only on the internet. Things are much more nuanced than what you make it out to be. And you're also wrong about populism. You and officepants refuse to read and study it, only relying on your opinion. You're prime targets for this kind of stuff. Read the bridgewater report, written by a bunch of conservative hedge fund types, as far from SJW as you can imagine. Who do you want to listen to, some shithead breitbart blogger or a guy who is betting hundreds of billions on the outcome?
There are 100s of other sources as well, have your pick.

"Dalio, who in November was bullish on the incoming president’s ability to stimulate the economy, is now saying he’s more concerned that the damaging effects of Trump’s populist policies may overwhelm the benefits of his pro-business agenda."
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Doesn't exist? LOL. I mean, speechless. Milo and Berkley.

In my life experience, the more shitheads you listen to, the more confused you become. Like you, who has deluded yourself into believing that social justice warriors don't exist.

How do you know I refuse to read and study populism? I mean, I know the NSA spies on me, but you too? It destroys your ability to be taken seriously when you take such impossible to know stands. Just because someone understands a word and derives different outcomes doesn't necessarily mean they refuse to understand it, it just means they refuse to adopt a consensus viewpoint stemming from a more encompassing political ideology, mainly leftism.
 
OfficePants said:
Doesn't exist? LOL. I mean, speechless. Milo and Berkley.

In my life experience, the more shitheads you listen to, the more confused you become. Like you, who has deluded yourself into believing that social justice warriors don't exist.

How do you know I refuse to read and study populism? I mean, I know the NSA spies on me, but you too? It destroys your ability to be taken seriously when you take such impossible to know stands. Just because someone understands a word and derives different outcomes doesn't necessarily mean they refuse to understand it, it just means they refuse to adopt a consensus viewpoint stemming from a more encompassing political ideology, mainly leftism.
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Because you took the dictionary definition and are too obtuse to look into it further.
 
Obtuse how? Obtuse like denying SJWs exist? I don't give Populism as a political ideology much credit or meaning because every politician uses it in one form or another going back thousands of years, well before the word existed.
 
Meanwhile, over in South Africa looks like they're going to go full on wealth redistribution i.e. land and business grab from the whites and turn the country into the next Zimbabwe. We better make room for another five million or more refugees.

It's full on insane in the membrane, is nobody taking note of these failed experiments in socialism? Apparently not.
 
Oh wait... turn authoritarian?? I thought it was the 2nd worst thing in the world all by itself.
 
OfficePants said:
Dog, cat, or pigeon AND murder? Yup. Enjoy your dinner Bernie Sanders lovers.

Hey Leitmotif Leitmotif , just how does cat leg taste?

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Olo, my step dad is over there and he has no problems to buy food, then again he has to pay for everything either in euros or dollars.
 
Oh, wait, you mean if you have money you can buy food? What a crazy concept. I thought everything was free.
 
OfficePants said:
I see... so only people that are government shills get fed? Seems far fetched.
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Lol no, people that work our of the country, like my step dad, people that made money before them or with them, and government nomenklatura oficials.
 
Leitmotif said:
Lol no, people that work our of the country, like my step dad, people that made money before them or with them, and government nomenklatura oficials.
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Ok so back to my original statement?

Meaning they worked for the money, I assume?
 
Leitmotif said:
Yes.
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This is confusing stuff, homey clown. You mean when a brother work for his money he actually have money to pay for shit he want to buy?

These niggas wearing black be sayin' all this shit be free, and we need to feel the Bern.

I be better go finds me a jobby job. These antifa boys be trippin'.
 
OfficePants said:
This is confusing stuff, homey clown. You mean when a brother work for his money he actually have money to pay for shit he want to buy?

These niggas wearing black be sayin' all this shit be free, and we need to feel the Bern.

I be better go finds me a jobby job. These antifa boys be trippin'.
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ugh
 
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