Boot Black shoo polish (Japan) - the world's best shoo polish?

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Never had any problems with Kiwi parade gloss. In fact G&G recommended it when I asked them. Cherry Blossom is good too. Thier equivalent is regimental gloss.

No need to pay inflated prices for these 'exotic' brews with their marketing clearly aimed at the iGent shoo brigade.
Spot on.
They’re shoes. Wear ‘em. Give ‘em an occasional rub and polish. Wear ‘em again. Do not get sucked into the cult of utter dullards and their ridiculous shoe shine rituals.
 

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What's in the acid water? Is there an ingredients list?
I don't think the company is ever going to reveal it, however it is said to make shining the shoe that much better.

After reading this thread l think l likely take my shoo shines too seriously. I like my shoes to look flawless each time l wear them and l always give my shoes the `sound and feel test' to see if the leather is drying out.

My local shoemaker polishes his shoes each night after he takes them off, he is very particular about it. My other maker Mr X also polishes his entire collection at least each month eventhough his shoes may not be used because he says the leather needs to be moisturized. He has had shoes made from average quality leather last over 30 years and going strong caring for shoes this way.


Shoo polish connoisseurs and rituals

Some men take their shoo shines very seriously, and they are even part of a special shoo shine club. Men do these things behind closed doors. Some are even said to polish their shoos with champagne at 3 am under a quarter moon outside because it is said to enhance the depth of the shine. Humans do all types of funny things, but wanting to use the best polish isn't such a bad thing.

Saphir and Boot Black makes polishing shoes a pleasure, but using Kiwi is a chore. Using an ideal polish gives me great satisfaction, so of course it is going to be worth paying the high price if my satisfaction is reached. Recently I used a special shell cordovan polish from `boot black' that gave me a satisfaction that surpassed anything in my shoo polishing life, and for the first time l stopped wanting anything more because l knew l had reached the pinnacle of shoo polish. A small group of the shoo polishing crowd are always chasing the ultimate in polish and shine and depth of finish, but for me the ultimate is about the feel of the shine....it's got to have a moist and soft feel that lasts, but until discovered `boot black' l have never had it from any product. The idea of an oil based cream excites me.


Berluti shoo parties where men polish their shoos with champagne.
These types of blokes buy expensive shoes and are into patina and shines....these blokes mean business! They don't monkey around with supermarket polish, they go all the way to the top. These would be the type of guys always chasing the ultimate shine and depth of shine. These men understand what it is all about. It's about achieving an artistic dream that gives ultimate satisfaction. I've been chasing the ultimate shine since l was a little kid, and l am still chasing it. My dad and the internet never inspired me to shine shoos, l always naturally did it myself because l always wanted my shoos to look flawless and brilliant. I used to polish my school shoos every night as a kid. Why? Because l was born a shooman and nothing like the Johnny come lately igents.
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These men want their shoos to look great. They are men full of dreams. They want to be men with great looking shoos. I know this type of man....l relate to him.
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This thread was a thread for shoe shine people, but being the internet there are always a bunch of people who ruin threads with stupid stuff. I don't think l want to be part of this anymore if this is how it's going to be.
 

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This thread was a thread for shoe shine people, but being the internet there are always a bunch of people who ruin threads with stupid stuff. I don't think l want to be part of this anymore if this is how it's going to be.
Yeah that’s the spirit. You’re a credit to the memory of the Aussies who stormed the trenches at Gallipoli.
 

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Well, l am really jumping into the big game of big time shoo polishers now.

Soon l will have the `Boot Black high shine collection'

The High-Shine Base primarily serves to smooth the leather surface so that the High-Shine Coat can be used in the next step to create a high gloss.

The High Shine coat is like a mirror gloss with extra waxes that are extra hard and hence create the shine. It comes in clear, black, dark brown and burgundy (last colour not available here)

The acidic polish water.


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I already have the polish clothes and they are great for a high mirror shine.

Saphir renovateur and creams, not good enough for me

I also ordered a range of colours from the Boot Black Artists Palette. Medium brown, navy blue, mustard brown, red, green and purple. These are very expensive, but l am looking for something that is excellent. Saphir is o.k, but it is not good enough because it dries some leathers out after a short time. My Edward Green were dried out after 2 weeks from using Saphir renovateur and shoe cream. I knew l had to look for something else after a top cobbler refused to sell Saphir products because he also said they dried out the leathers of shoos.

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Apparently the Boot Black Artists Palette are by far the best shoe creams on the market and leave Saphir products a distant second. They are oil based and l am hoping they don't dry some leathers like the Saphir creams do. According to this forum topic they are excellent creams that soften and moisterize the leather properly.


I also splashed out on the Boot Black `moisterizer'. It is highly expensive but it is said to do deep moisterizing of the leather. The Saphir renovateur tends to dry leathers are a short while and l find it not as great product. Finally l have decided to pay the money and try to find something really excellent that does the job needed.

I also bought Collonil red and pink creams this morning because l am a collector of red shoo creams. I have many. Collonil does not contain solvents and it moisterizes shoes properly, but it is not as fun to use as the creams that are easy to apply and create a shine.
I have tried the Artist's Palette.
I like how the stuff spreads easily. However, it has not completely won me over: the Palette cream is intended to have a shine effect, making the upper creases look a bit like plastic-y leather. I find myself reaching for the normal Boot Black cream more..

Regarding the polish water, a long time ago I was advised by a cobbler to use distilled water.
 

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I have tried the Artist's Palette.
I like how the stuff spreads easily. However, it has not completely won me over: the Palette cream is intended to have a shine effect, making the upper creases look a bit like plastic-y leather. I find myself reaching for the normal Boot Black cream more..

Regarding the polish water, a long time ago I was advised by a cobbler to use distilled water.
The solutes in normal water, even the hardest, are in such tiny quantities that they won't leave a visible mark on your leather once the water evaporates. You get more dust and particulate matter deposited while you're shining your shoes that all the solute in the water.

I'm not suggesting we use bog water, but tap water's just fine. You don't need distilled water. As for this acid water,
 

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The solutes in normal water, even the hardest, are in such tiny quantities that they won't leave a visible mark on your leather once the water evaporates. You get more dust and particulate matter deposited while you're shining your shoes that all the solute in the water.

I'm not suggesting we use bog water, but tap water's just fine. You don't need distilled water. As for this acid water,
I've tried using distilled water, filtered water, tap water and ice cold half frozen filtered water. No difference between the first three, but the frozen water is good for high shines. The only hesitation l had with distilled water was using a `hungry water' might have opposite results and pull some of the polish off, but it was only a small amount and probably dried before it had any effect.

I still haven't received the acid water yet.
 

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I've tried using distilled water, filtered water, tap water and ice cold half frozen filtered water. No difference between the first three, but the frozen water is good for high shines. The only hesitation l had with distilled water was using a `hungry water' might have opposite results and pull some of the polish off, but it was only a small amount and probably dried before it had any effect.

I still haven't received the acid water yet.
Interesting. We'd have to see what happens to the waxes and the solvents in the polish at low temperatures. Off the cuff, I'd say it slows down the evaporation of the volatile components, allowing you more time to achieve that perfect shine.
 

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You’ve never touched a woman’s boob have you?
Great White Snark Great White Snark
You mean do rude things married men do when they are full of lust? 😧
You mean touch a woman's boobies??? 🙉
You mean use a woman's boobs for toys and personal pleasure instead of having them be used their proper purpose of feeding tiny kids??? :o

Great White Snark Great White Snark formby001 formby001 If l have touched boobies, I am never going to reveal my sins in public. 🐸

sorry lads for the off topic post. I felt in a playful mood....hope you didn't mind me talking rood (rude).
 

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Shooey - I will be going to Lefflers in the new year.

You around or are you living it up down on The Great Ocean Road with all the other rich people?
 

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Shooey - I will be going to Lefflers in the new year.

You around or are you living it up down on The Great Ocean Road with all the other rich people?
fxh fxh I will be around so a trip to Lefflers could be something that could be done.

I will be going down the Ocean Road for a couple of weeks soon, but not this month.


Boot Black - results Part 1
I have all the goodies, and let me say that my shoe shines are next level now. I am doing shoe shines l have always dreamed of. It is not just about the shine, it is about also about the feel (very important) and ease of the shine. I always dream,ed about the perfect shoe shine process, but l never achieved never it until now. I never enjoyed the process and got the results l was wanting until now, and yet l haven't used all my products yet and am still in the process of experimenting and learning.

Boot Black `moisterizer' - truly nothing better!
Never again will l use the Saphir renovateur. It never did the job l needed it to. I took out my Vass oxfords today that are notoriously difficult to moisterise and used the boot black product on them. Straight away the leather softened and moisterized to levels previously unknown. Saphir could never do this in the past. I also used it on some Vass derby shoes and the results were even better, l was stunned at how good it was, it softened the smoothed the leather to levels never felt before. There is nothing like the boot black moisterizer.

Boot Black Two Face Plus Lotion - truly nothing better
A bloke begged me to buy the two face plus lotion. It cleans and nourishes the leather and smooths it out to allow for a greater shine process. I used it on a pair of John Lobb and the results were amazing. It delicately cleaned and moisterized and nourished with argon oil and the results were outstanding because the feel of the leather was unlike anything l have ever felt. It felt like super fine soft leather. It was then that l started to understand what the ultimate shoe shines are about, and it is something that Saphir could never do...this is truly next level shoe shining.

See, at first l applied the artists palette without the Two Face Plus Lotion and the application was a touch rough as with normal polishing, but now l followed a bloke's advice of using the lotion first and then following up with artists palette and the results are much better because the artists palette goes on smoother. My leathers are transforming to states never seen or felt before.

I am still learning, but now l am starting to understand how to do shines to the highest level. Yes, l now have the special polish water, the high shine base and the high shine coat and special polish rags. I will report back on these products soon.

What do l think of the artists palette? Some say it is the best shoe paste ever made (probably is), but I am not sure yet because l need to use it on various difficult shoes to really see how it performs, but l will say that Boot Black Rich Moisterizer and Boot Black Two Face Plus Lotion is out of this world!!! The conventional creams and waxes from Boot Black are similar to Saphir. What makes Boot Black special is the connoisseur process to shoo shining, it does things at the highest level possible and makes the Saphir processes crude in comparison.

At last l have reached the Mt Everest of shoo shining processes, and it is right up my alley!
 
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I’m thinking of going to lefflers on Monday
 

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Boot Black - results Part 2 and the verdict

I gave the products the ultimate test and tried them on a stubborn tan Vass shoe that is tough to moisterise and one which lacks depth of colour/patina. I went through the entire process.

I started off using `rich moisture' to really moisturize and nourish the leather and smooth out the leather. After doing that the leather felt so much better, not rough and dry and porous like it usually is, it actually felt luxurious. Amazing how the leather as transformed.

Next I used the Two Face Plus Lotion to clean and further moisterise and nourish the leather. Note: this will darken the leather slightly because the solution has argon oil in it, but the slight oil darkening gave the shoos a spectacular patina and depth to the leather that is something l have ever only dreamed of.

Next l used the mustard colour artists palette cream. That also has oil in it and further added to the patina. The oil really nourishes the leather and gives a great patina in brown shoes. Being an oil based paste, l think it is best to use a lighter colour.

After buffing l used the high shine coat twice on each shoe and rubbed it in well. It was easy to rub in because the previous layers had already smoothed out the surface of the leather. The shine really started to come out.

Next l used a light tan wax, but already l see this was a mistake because l can see the pore of the darkened shoe now shows lighter wax in some small parts of the shoo. Ughh. I skipped the high shine wax in this case because it is a casual tan shoe.

Beware - some Boot Black oil based products can darken shoos a tone.

The Two Face Plus Lotion and Artists Palette cream will darken the shoos a shade. For many shoes it will make them look much better with depth of patina, but for dark navy shoes with a museum calf patina it makes them too dark for the patina highlights to come out properly, so best avoiding Artists Palette for some shoes with fancy patinas.

The mirror shine - perfecting it and common mistakes to avoid

Glass mirror shines are easy to get with Boot Black products. The polish water is magnificent, especially when ice cold, it really works to smooth out that wax with ease and bring out the high shine. The best way to get the ultimate high shine is to use the Boot Black high shine base followed by a combination of Boot Black high shine coat with Saphir mirror gloss with the Boot Black polish water. The effect is stunning, and the water does have some alcohol in it, but it is not enough to dry out the shoes, especially since oil based creams and lotions are also used to keep it moist.

Beware...like with most people, they mess up the mirror shines because they finish the process with buffing with a smooth cloth. BIG MISTAKE. After buffing the mirror shine, the shine will end up with scratches, so then you need to go back a final time with a hint of wax and water and just go over it again and let dry without any final buffing. This will bring a flawless glass shine.

I will try and take good pictures soon.
 
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Boot Black - results Part 2 and the verdict

I gave the products the ultimate test and tried them on a stubborn tan Vass shoe that is tough to moisterise and one which lacks depth of colour/patina. I went through the entire process.

I started off using `rich moisture' to really moisturize and nourish the leather and smooth out the leather. After doing that the leather felt so much better, not rough and dry and porous like it usually is, it actually felt luxurious. Amazing how the leather as transformed.

Next I used the Two Face Plus Lotion to clean and further moisterise and nourish the leather. Note: this will darken the leather slightly because the solution has argon oil in it, but the slight oil darkening gave the shoos a spectacular patina and depth to the leather that is something l have ever only dreamed of.

Next l used the mustard colour artists palette cream. That also has oil in it and further added to the patina. The oil really nourishes the leather and gives a great patina in brown shoes. Being an oil based paste, l think it is best to use a lighter colour.

After buffing l used the high shine coat twice on each shoe and rubbed it in well. It was easy to rub in because the previous layers had already smoothed out the surface of the leather. The shine really started to come out.

Next l used a light tan wax, but already l see this was a mistake because l can see the pore of the darkened shoe now shows lighter wax in some small parts of the shoo. Ughh. I skipped the high shine wax in this case because it is a casual tan shoe.

Beware - some Boot Black oil based products can darken shoos a tone.

The Two Face Plus Lotion and Artists Palette cream will darken the shoos a shade. For many shoes it will make them look much better with depth of patina, but for dark navy shoes with a museum calf patina it makes them too dark for the patina highlights to come out properly, so best avoiding Artists Palette for some shoes with fancy patinas.

The mirror shine - perfecting it and common mistakes to avoid

Glass mirror shines are easy to get with Boot Black products. The polish water is magnificent, especially when ice cold, it really works to smooth out that wax with ease and bring out the high shine. The best way to get the ultimate high shine is to use the Boot Black high shine base followed by a combination of Boot Black high shine coat with Saphir mirror gloss with the Boot Black polish water. The effect is stunning, and the water does have some alcohol in it, but it is not enough to dry out the shoes, especially since oil based creams and lotions are also used to keep it moist.

Beware...like with most people, they mess up the mirror shines because they finish the process with buffing with a smooth cloth. BIG MISTAKE. After buffing the mirror shine, the shine will end up with scratches, so then you need to go back a final time with a hint of wax and water and just go over it again and let dry without any final buffing. This will bring a flawless glass shine.

I will try and take good pictures soon.
What is your new process for shell cordovan?

Do you use all Boot Black with the moisturizer, two face plus lotion, artist palette cream, high shine base, and lastly high shine coat? Or do you replace the artist palette cream with the shell cordovan cream? Or do you use both creams (...two face plus lotion, shell cordovan cream, artist palette cream, high shine base, etc.)?

Thank you for posting your experiments with Boot Black, it's been difficult finding information about their products.
 

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What is your new process for shell cordovan?

Do you use all Boot Black with the moisturizer, two face plus lotion, artist palette cream, high shine base, and lastly high shine coat? Or do you replace the artist palette cream with the shell cordovan cream? Or do you use both creams (...two face plus lotion, shell cordovan cream, artist palette cream, high shine base, etc.)?

Thank you for posting your experiments with Boot Black, it's been difficult finding information about their products.
W weaksauce I find the bootblack videos of little use. The best way is to experiment and see what works best. Here is a method I used for polishing shell leather. I feel confident on how to use the products now.

Note: you don't really need the wax for cordovan unless you want a high shine toe etc. Also note, if you choose to use wax at the end of the shining process it will be much easier to have shell cordovan looking like mirrors with the wax than on calf.

Note 2: When doing calf shoes it is best to use the artists palette in place of the shell cordovan cream, and use wax with the polish water at the end.

Note 3: the whole process outlined needs to be done rarely. To touch the shoes up you just need perhaps the `deep moisture' or `two face plus lotion' if the boot gets dirty' and/or the cream. Sometimes just a buffing will do.

Note 4: (for calf shoes) sometimes if you want to have a 3/4 session with a decent shine but don't want too much wax build up you do the moisterizer and two face plus lotion followed by artists palette followed by high shine base and finish with high shine coat.

Note 5: (for calf shoes) waxes only need to be applied once or twice a year to keep junk and rain water from staining the shoes.
 
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