Brexit - The UK and the EU

Pimpernel Smith

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ERG should call a vote of no confidence in the government.

Labour gets its General Election.

Parliament is suspended and thus Brexit on WTO terms comes to pass.

Leave MPs get re-elected. Dross lose their seats.

Country before party.
That'll be the day.

The betrayal is in and the only option looks like to continue the battle by punishing the political establishment in the ballot box. If I was still in the UK, it would be UKIP/Farage's new party/independents all the way until the Tories and Labour were brought to heel. The idiots are to smug in their belief Brexit will just go away with a second referendum with No Deal/WTO off the list of options.
 

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Obviously. And on top, are so bad at negotiating this round, that it's not even funny.
Utilizing the quisling option/turning this into May's private dictated to surrender will only serve to destabilize the EU further. Keeping the UK in as a colony or not leaving at all will only inflame the political will to leave. This will not go away as in other European nations without the long established common laws of England. The more assured they are that this ain't happening, the more inevitably it will, if not 29th March, but soon after. And don't think the Italians will wait much longer either, no matter how many key positions are given in EU projects. The Italians are well sussed on that bribe and taking full advantage of it, Italian style!
 

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Within a few days, Spain will grab the chance for provoskaya, and start with making sure things go really slow at the border. Should solve itself before the ships arrive with sardines and biscuits from old England, as the surrounding area depend on the income from the resources going over the border every day.
 

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If this article proves true and accurate regarding the veracity of the transcript and contents, then May has clearly acted as an agent of a foreign power as a traitor, very expolosive stuff:

http://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/duplicitous-leaders
This article has been taken off the website, likely sources unreliable or not proven. Too explosive to take down with a D-Notice as the international press and media would have a grip on it.
 

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So what were the key points in the article?
Breitbart is running with it as a possible conspiracy theory, but as conspiracy theories go, it's quite plausible and in the realm of the modus operandi of May and the continuation of Germany by other means:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/06/claim-mays-secret-brexit-betrayal-pact-with-merkel/

https://www.altnewsmedia.net/topica...ges-group-article-they-dont-want-you-to-read/

Pertinent discussion items:
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The meeting was said to be private and those present were informed that Prime Minister May and Chancellor Merkel had reached an Agreement over Brexit. Knowledge of this was attained from the actual transcript of the meeting between May and Merkel.

1) The Agreement was couched in a way to ‘appease’ the Brexit voters.

2) The Agreement would enable May to get rid of those people in her party who were against progress and unity in the EU.

3) Both Merkel and May agreed that the likely course of events would be that UK would re-join the EU in full at some time after the next general election.

4) May agreed to keep as many EU laws and institutions as she could despite the current groundswell of ‘anti-EU hysteria’ in Britain (May’s own words, apparently.)

5) Merkel and May agreed that the only realistic future for the UK was within the EU.

The original Agreement draft was completed in May 2018 in Berlin and then sent to the UK Government Cabinet Office marked ‘Secret’.

NB This Agreement draft was authored in the German Chancellor’s private office.
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The commitment and manifesto pledge, the one that the Tories ran on, is that No Deal is better than a bad deal. They also voted and is now enshrined in law that the Brits leave on 29th March. That fact that May is allowing a free vote on WTO/No Deal Brexit shows how duplicutous she is. Truly destined to go down in history as the worse Prime Minister ever and may also go down as the one who destroyed the Conservative Party.

Now what mischief begins?
 

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We have avoided being locked in to the EU on worse terms via the surrender agreement.

It will be a long war. Removing the politicians who are thwarting Brexit should be the first task.

Other than that, keep throwing a spanner in the works when/if there is further duplicity.
 

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The commitment and manifesto pledge, the one that the Tories ran on, is that No Deal is better than a bad deal. They also voted and is now enshrined in law that the Brits leave on 29th March. That fact that May is allowing a free vote on WTO/No Deal Brexit shows how duplicutous she is. Truly destined to go down in history as the worse Prime Minister ever and may also go down as the one who destroyed the Conservative Party.

Now what mischief begins?
The vote, to take No Vote of the table is meaningless. If we don't accept the deal that the EU have offered us (and we shouldn't), we leave with no deal anyway.
 

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And yet, they just did vote to take it off the table.
Whilst it is non-binding, it does betray the absolute rancid cancerous cud that is Parliament. Failure to deliver a real Brexit and particularly if they manage May's vassal/colony status through smoke and mirrors it will be a dreadful pyrrhic victory. It will only be the beginning.....the chimes of freedom will call.

Times like this, I am drawn to Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony.

As Farage said today in Brussels, better let the Brits go than to attempt to enslave them. This thorn in the side of the EU will contribute significantly to its undoing.
 

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Whilst it is non-binding, it does betray the absolute rancid cancerous cud that is Parliament. Failure to deliver a real Brexit and particularly if they manage May's vassal/colony status through smoke and mirrors it will be a dreadful pyrrhic victory. It will only be the beginning.....the chimes of freedom will call.

Times like this, I am drawn to Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony.

As Farage said today in Brussels, better let the Brits go than to attempt to enslave them. This thorn in the side of the EU will contribute significantly to its undoing.
Its got nothing to do with it being non-binding. Britain either accepts the EU offer, or leaves the EU at the end of the month with no deal.
 

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The EU might be glad to be shot of us. Extension might not be granted.

Extension terms might be even more onerous.

May thinks she can present her deal a third time, apparently.

General election to drain the swamp would be helpful.
 

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Its got nothing to do with it being non-binding. Britain either accepts the EU offer, or leaves the EU at the end of the month with no deal.
Not quite as I see it: if they vote today to extend and then the EU refuses to extend, then they will opt to stay as the ruled out no deal. Second option factoring in that they have decided not to leave without a deal, they will accept the surrender/vassal/colony status of the WA third time around. The stench of betrayal and tapestry of lies makes either of the two above more likely than leave WTO 29th March.
 

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If an extension is not granted by the EU then we would be forced to leave on 29th March.

It is the legal default. That would need legislation to change. So further opportunities to throw a spanner in the works.

Furthermore parliamentary practice, as defined in the Erskine May handbook, might prevent the same motion - the Withdrawal/Surrender Agreement - being presented twice in the same session of Parliament. It is difficult to see how the third motion would be different to the second as the EU have said no more changes. Bercow has the final say on this.
 

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Not quite as I see it: if they vote today to extend and then the EU refuses to extend, then they will opt to stay as the ruled out no deal. Second option factoring in that they have decided not to leave without a deal, they will accept the surrender/vassal/colony status of the WA third time around. The stench of betrayal and tapestry of lies makes either of the two above more likely than leave WTO 29th March.
Legally they can't. If May's deal doesn't pass, then we are out with no deal at the end of the month. They know this, and its why they are voting today on an extension. We are in a war of attrition....

....with ourselves.
 

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Nominally, as many are clearly agents of foreign powers and quislings and traitors. They are the enemy.
It is NOT the EU fault that the British are shit negotiators. They've run rings around us.

One thing thats been exposed, one of many, is just how fucking lousy British politicians are...

....and don't get me going about the behaviour of the British media.
 

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It is NOT the EU fault that the British are shit negotiators. They've run rings around us.

One thing thats been exposed, one of many, is just how fucking lousy British politicians are...

....and don't get me going about the behaviour of the British media.
I'm not convinced that anyone could be that inept in negotiations except deliberately by design. What was posted on the Bruges website is likely to be found as a historic fact, that will damn May and the current crop of Tories for eternity as the twats who wouldn't deliver.

On the other hand, the one thing Brexit may have going for it, is that they are as inept and hapless as it seems at face value and therefore, Brexit 29th March is assured.
 

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I'm not convinced that anyone could be that inept in negotiations except deliberately by design. What was posted on the Bruges website is likely to be found as a historic fact, that will damn May and the current crop of Tories for eternity as the twats who wouldn't deliver.

On the other hand, the one thing Brexit may have going for it, is that they are as inept and hapless as it seems at face value and therefore, Brexit 29th March is assured.
Don't beleive me? Check out some of Andrew Neils interviews of politicians. Some don't even know their own party's policies....

...or maybe what day it is.
 

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None the less, it is the true.
Trump nails it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...it-crisis-early-morning-TRADE-DEAL-tweet.html

Don't beleive me? Check out some of Andrew Neils interviews of politicians. Some don't even know their own party's policies....

...or maybe what day it is.
To be fair Corbyn's mob aren't up to going head to head with Andrew Neil. The class the gent has is epitomized in this I think his last day on the This Week show:

 

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I'm not convinced that anyone could be that inept in negotiations except deliberately by design. What was posted on the Bruges website is likely to be found as a historic fact, that will damn May and the current crop of Tories for eternity as the twats who wouldn't deliver.

On the other hand, the one thing Brexit may have going for it, is that they are as inept and hapless as it seems at face value and therefore, Brexit 29th March is assured.
Case in point Liz Truss:

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There doesn't need to be a EU conspiracy when you have this:

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The UK no longer has a functoning goverment. Its a good job the civil service run the country rather than this lot...
 
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