Brexit - The UK and the EU

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Imagine being a British company begging (threatening?) the government to allow you to continue your exploitative business practices, and then imagine a soi-disant liberal media outlet enabling it.
Imagine an exploitative economic system built upon this very premise…

If these figures are right, there's no shortage of HGV license holders in the UK, entice them back with decent wages and conditions, but that's not what the low paid gig economy is about is it:

Huh. I do wonder though if it would be cheaper to get immigrants to do it. Ah well, nevertheless….
 

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Not sure what you are saying here?
well lets see. first we had brexit, in which we didn't want these swarthy looking poles coming over and taking all of our jobs. now that they're gone, we're left to reckon with the fact that none of our companies are paying enough for the dogshit jobs they want people to do. so you have to wonder what joining the EU was really about, don't you?
 

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well lets see. first we had brexit, in which we didn't want these swarthy looking poles coming over and taking all of our jobs. now that they're gone, we're left to reckon with the fact that none of our companies are paying enough for the dogshit jobs they want people to do. so you have to wonder what joining the EU was really about, don't you?
Good job the Brits are out then. FYI: Poles are generally not swarthy.

I wouldn't call lorry driving a dogshit job. It's certainly tough, underpaid and occupation that deserves more respected particularly from the EU loving liberal intelligentsia.
 
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well lets see. first we had brexit, in which we didn't want these swarthy looking poles coming over and taking all of our jobs. now that they're gone, we're left to reckon with the fact that none of our companies are paying enough for the dogshit jobs they want people to do. so you have to wonder what joining the EU was really about, don't you?
Good job the Brits are out then. FYI: Poles are generally not swarthy.

I wouldn't call lorry driving a dogshit job. It's certainly tough, underpaid and occupation that deserves more respected particularly from the EU loving liberal intelligentsia.
yes you definitely took this post the right way
 

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well lets see. first we had brexit, in which we didn't want these swarthy looking poles coming over and taking all of our jobs. now that they're gone, we're left to reckon with the fact that none of our companies are paying enough for the dogshit jobs they want people to do. so you have to wonder what joining the EU was really about, don't you?
The problem is the UK. The EU merely provides a pool of cheap labour. It is British businesses who choose to use exploitative business practices and this has been allowed to happen under both Labour and Conservative governments.

In fact, some of the worst sweatshops exist under Labour-run councils that refuse to use the powers they already have to close them down. Can't possibly think in some cases why that is.

As an aside you should read Ben Judah's This is London. It's an eye-opener.

 

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LOL. Brexit...

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It is British businesses who choose to use exploitative business practices and this has been allowed to happen under both Labour and Conservative governments.
JESUS CHRIST YES I KNOW IT WAS SARCASM ABOUT CAPITALISM'S EXPLOITATIVE BUSINESS MODEL.

In fact, some of the worst sweatshops exist under Labour-run councils that refuse to use the powers they already have to close them down. Can't possibly think in some cases why that is.
CAPITALISM IS WHY
 

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Well, that's what Rambo was driving at.

We're also in for a bumpy ride energy-wise too. Let us see how the Germans cope now that they're fellating Putin's pipe.
My arch-nemesis was on that particular project in the head office in Amsterdam. He's currently boasting about all the back-handers he's received and dodgy placements that netted him 6 million over the life of the project. He's a known crook to one of the partners, ENI, after I whistle blew, but after that they sent him to Pakistan for his crimes and then had to get rid as they basically dumped him on the unsuspecting country manager. The Americans know about him too. They could have gone to town, but maybe that's to come. There could be some catastrophic process equipment failures too based on the above and details received from those on the inside trying to do a good job. So the smooth flow of gas, whether by Putin's design or not, may be interrupted anyway.

The energy policy across Europe is currently based on fantasy, fudged renewables and the strong grip of Putin. What could possibly go wrong?
 

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Same exploitative business model behind it too;)

Well, that's what Rambo was driving at.
well was i wrong? if its not brexit related then what could it possibly be?????
The energy policy across Europe is currently based on fantasy, fudged renewables and the strong grip of Putin. What could possibly go wrong?
well instead of chasing profits we could invest our money and resources into doing what is best for the people and the planet. but that would get in the way of profits so we can't possibly do that.
 

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There's no shortage of petrol, the refineries don't get the oil from the continent anyway.

The issue is one of lack of drivers, the backlog at the DVLA caused through the lockdown and their strike, the Uber style Apps that some of the sections of the industry embraced, the crap ability of this government and civil service to plan, opening up after lock-down and the GBP 11-17 an hour that HGV drivers get paid. Which I am sure you can get stacking shelves on the nightshift somewhere. Back in the old days, the drivers were staff for the oil companies and some of them still may be. With good pensions and comparative good wages and conditions.

The issue of EU lorry drivers jobbing in the UK, should have been well seen and planned for if they decided to return home.

The perishable goods issue is both ways and to do with the bureacracy, the English/Expat supermarkets here just stock the beer, crisps, cereals, jams and the American equivalent now. It's inconvenient if you like pork pies or English bacon.
I don’t understand the truckie problem, (or as they say over there lorry drivers)

Are they really that badly paid?

I still have my Heavy Vehicle Semi Trailer Endorsed Licence. Haven’t upgraded to get B Double or Road Train licence.

Perhaps I should hop over to UK and get a job.
 

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I don’t understand the truckie problem, (or as they say over there lorry drivers)

Are they really that badly paid?

I still have my Heavy Vehicle Semi Trailer Endorsed Licence. Haven’t upgraded to get B Double or Road Train licence.

Perhaps I should hop over to UK and get a job.
According to this average salary is 8% higher than the UK's national average, it's not great pay:

 

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According to this average salary is 8% higher than the UK's national average, it's not great pay:

So - that's about aud$60k - to aud$118k - That's not real bad money here - but from my experience living costs are (much?) higher in UK. Not sure UK costs and living standards are a mystery to me. It seems so variable - great place to be wealthy bad place to be poor. Dunno about the middle or lumpen

I'm guess its a lot more than the dole ? I 've no idea about UK dole
 

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So - that's about aud$60k - to aud$118k - That's not real bad money here - but from my experience living costs are (much?) higher in UK. Not sure UK costs and living standards are a mystery to me. It seems so variable - great place to be wealthy bad place to be poor. Dunno about the middle or lumpen

I'm guess its a lot more than the dole ? I 've no idea about UK dole
The UK, particularly England, is a tremendous and wonderful country to be rich in. But poor, it's extremely grotty and grim, especially on those sink estates. For the average/lumpen you need to be in the provinces and in an area of cheap housing for it to deliver. Those salaries for lorry drivers, if your partner is also working with similar wages, then in the provinces outside of the Home Counties, you can live a reasonable life. But a lot of those Barrett style semi-detached housing estates in the UK are dreadful on several measures, particularly size and sound proofing.

The dole is complex and like the Netherlands, open to abuse and hiding long term unemployment through the permanent sick. A deliberate policy. I can remember a storeman working in the late 1990s with 2 kids telling us that to make work viable for him, he needed to pick-up after taxes GBP 1400, otherwise he was better off on unemployment benefits.
 

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At the butcher’s today. Asked for bone marrow. She said the slaughter house is not doing “off cuts” anymore as since Brexit they can’t find staff to process it.
 
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