sirloin
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Oh will you stop this nonsense.Our system of Common Law and freedom has always been ahead of our continental chums
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Oh will you stop this nonsense.Our system of Common Law and freedom has always been ahead of our continental chums
It's not a bluff if the other side knows your hand.More like they bluffed and their bluff was called. Then they huffed and puffed which made the current shambles look even more ridiculous. You don't have any negotiating power after that.
So the courts say Boris was wrong. I guess they are in on it too.
What seems like a tactical victory, is likely a strategic disaster for Remain. Same as the meaningful vote on May's surrender treaty.
When you have to utilize precedents from 1611, your position might unravel under the realpolitik of 2019. Still, the arachnid broach was a cute touch.
Yes much better to have to talk to the 90 year old monarch completely disconnected from society as a whole.What seems like a tactical victory, is likely a strategic disaster for Remain. Same as the meaningful vote on May's surrender treaty.
When you have to utilize precedents from 1611, your position might unravel under the realpolitik of 2019. Still, the arachnid broach was a cute touch.
Or it's just the court reading the law and has nothing to do with this imaginary battle you've conceived.What seems like a tactical victory, is likely a strategic disaster for Remain
What seems like a tactical victory, is likely a strategic disaster for Remain. Same as the meaningful vote on May's surrender treaty.
When you have to utilize precedents from 1611, your position might unravel under the realpolitik of 2019. Still, the arachnid broach was a cute touch.
If Conservatives fail on Brexit they will go the way of The Whigs.Well, the majority of voters in the UK will have lost all trust in the political system by now.
Not much better elsewhere, though.
Labour can tell itself it will win the next election, but I'm sure they'll get a nasty surprise in the next GE.
Same with the Libdems. All a bunch of turncoats.
Parliament will be back tomorrow to discuss Brexit a bit more. Like 3 1/2 years weren't enough.
At least the GBP went up again, yay!
I suspect no party will command a majority in a General Election and there will be alliances and more bickering
Yes much better to have to talk to the 90 year old monarch completely disconnected from society as a whole.
Or it's just the court reading the law and has nothing to do with this imaginary battle you've conceived.
What a spoofer.
Been hanging out with some horses recently? Pimpernel Smith
If Conservatives fail on Brexit they will go the way of The Whigs.
I always thought Deano was underrated. He always swings
I hate all the melismatic over singing these days.Have you watched any of the Dean Martin Shows on Youtube? You couldn't be that brilliantly careless and regardless of perfection these days. It feels more modern than now!
Boris latest letter is not really Brexit.
“Boris, binning the Backstop still isn’t Brexit” Here are 12 simple reasons
1. This Agreement – even without the ‘Backstop’ - will put the UK under the de facto jurisdiction of a group of 27
foreign powers, leaving the UK powerless to veto laws or procedures affecting the UK and its citizens. (Articles 4, 86, 87, 89, 132, 168, 174)
2. The EU27 can make decisions behind closed doors which can profoundly affect British businesses, citizens, and the economy. They can impose new taxes on the UK and prevent state aid, crippling vital industries as well as the UK’s all-important financial sector. Parliament will be able to do nothing about it. (Articles 86, 93, 95, 132 (2c), 159)
3. It gives the EU an effective veto on our foreign policy too. We will not be allowed to undertake “any action or initiative” which the EU thinks might damage the EU's interests, and it positions UK defence under the EU Global Strategy, threatening our position in the ‘Five Eyes’ intelligence alliance, and unacceptably constraining our freedom of action on the world stage. (Articles 129, 132, 156-157)
4. Any amended Northern Ireland Protocol will impose existing and new Single Market rules, with no UK say over them, and it will effectively split off Northern Ireland, breaking the United Kingdom in two. (Protocol Ireland/NI, esp. Art.6)
No taking back control
5. The UK will remain under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. This will last during ‘transition’ and the agreement makes provision to extend this until 01 Jan 2023. (Articles 4, 6(2), 87, 95, 128, 132, 158, 168, 174)
6. In some parts of the law, British courts will have to obey the EU’s courts for over 100 years. (Article 39)
7. We will have no control of our waters for the UK’s fishermen and we will not be able to make ourselves more
competitive on the world stage for our industry or service sectors. (Articles 130, 185 (Art. 6 of the NI Protocol); Article 129 (7)) No trade deals, a continuation of the trade deficit, and continuing to subsidise the EU27
8. The UK will have no right to do international free trade deals – a key economic benefit of Brexit – because it must stick to protectionist EU tariffs. The British public will not benefit from an independent trade policy, which would result in cheaper imported goods and stronger exports. (Articles 40-49, 75-78, 127, 129 (4), 132)
9. The EU can do new free trade agreements with other countries, and the UK will have to match the new lower tariffs, but the countries involved will not have to offer the new low tariffs to the UK. (See 8. above)
10. Instead, our £100bn annual trade deficit with the EU will continue – a deficit which means lost jobs and lost money which could be spent on services, infrastructure and investment at home.
11. The Agreement will mean the UK paying the biggest divorce settlement in history, over £39 billion, with no new UK-EU trade deal in return. The final amount will be decided by the EU, with no say by the UK. (138-144, 152-155)
This is not Brexit in any way, shape, or form, and doesn’t even give us a trade deal
12. The Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration – even without ‘the Backstop’ - lock the UK into a continuing and subservient relationship with the EU, agreeing to match and ‘build upon’ current arrangements, giving away money, sovereignty, laws, and even decisions on the very composition of the United Kingdom itself.
The UK will not be a truly sovereign nation until we leave the EU completely. A clean-break Brexit is now the only way to go forward.
For more on this go to https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_sep_brexit_fightback_1
Boris was using the backstop as spring board for other discussions, he made clear in the letter, we're leaving and there will be no legislative continuation or later convergence. The EU believe the machinations of the poisoned dwarf and the Supreme Court will trump the democratic will of the people and they just need to hang-on. Guess again.
Speaker Bercow.Who's the poisoned dwarf?
I do not know what Boris is up to, or whether he really wants to leave with No Deal.Boris was using the backstop as spring board for other discussions, he made clear in the letter, we're leaving and there will be no legislative continuation or later convergence. The EU believe the machinations of the poisoned dwarf and the Supreme Court will trump the democratic will of the people and they just need to hang-on. Guess again.
I was in Edinburgh last week. Nice place. Should I have stayed, to participate in the constitutional shenanigans coming up?
Many MPs have already said they'll vote against it. Maybe there was no desire to get it through in the first place?No backstop. How will the PM get his votes through the Commons now?
Great article, though a bit hard to comprehend for a foreign pleb like myself...Looks like Bercow won't given them the vote!
The three letters was a good tactic, but what now my love?
This is a good piece worthy of a read on the current clerisy:
The real origins of Brexit
It's not that long ago we seemed to be cruising serenely towards a particular future. The pieces were in place, the scene was set, even if a...atticbug.blogspot.com