Brexit - The UK and the EU

formby002 said:
Allow me to offer, in the spirit of detente; a simpler, condensed version:

'I made a stupid remark, an unsubstantiated generalism, something that I often pull-up others for...OK!'

Happy now, Mr Thin-skinned...?
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Nah, I liked mine better. And I bet the reason you keep on going is because you’d be one of the stupid wankers complaining about being in the “slow queue”.
 
belinmad said:
Nah, I liked mine better. And I bet the reason you keep on going is because you’d be one of the stupid wankers complaining about being in the “slow queue”.
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I'm British, I've spent a not inconsiderable amount of my life queuing, its hardly a novel experience! I also have to queue to get into countries outside the EU anyway. So, no.

I'd love to continue this tete-a-tete, intellectually stimulating as it is, but the family cat and Barry Manilow beckon.
 
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güero said:
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There are arguments, typically but not exclusively made by Marxist historians that Britain's obsession with the running of its Empire led to an underclass developing. That is, whilst concentrating on its Empire and seeking investment opportunities abroad, it neglected affairs at home.

I think there's some truth to it.
 
belinmad said:
www.mirror.co.uk

Brit expats living in Spain hit with driving ban as post-Brexit talks fail

From today, tens of thousands of Brits will be unable to use their UK driving licence on roads in Spain as the two governments failed to come to an agreement by April 30
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"[...]From May 1, UK licence holders who have been resident in Spain for more than six months and did not exchange their licence during the transition period will no longer be able to drive legally in Spain"

They should have changed [their] licenses over.

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formby002 said:
The British writer Anthony Daniels (Theodore Dalrymple) is probally the best modern chronicler of the British underclass. His analysis is often brutal though.
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Yes, but the lower orders in the UK are brutalized...

And you don't have to seek them out. You will come across them soon enough in the UK. They're here too, some of the estates in Utrecht will shock you and elsewhere, and the several sink estates in The Hague too, but you won't come across it by random, in normal day to day interactions.

The underclass in the UK is like the dirty verboten secret we can never talk about. And yet they're a lot more prominent than in other European nations as a percentage of the population. France does a good runner up if not worse in some cities.
formby002 said:
"[...]From May 1, UK licence holders who have been resident in Spain for more than six months and did not exchange their licence during the transition period will no longer be able to drive legally in Spain"
They should have changed [their] licenses over.

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Again, another nothing burger...Spain has aligned themselves with other countries. The Netherlands had the exact same policy when I arrived back in the early 2000's. Swap over in 6 months, or you have to retake your driving test. Hardly a show stopper.

Of course, you do have a problem if you don't swap over, and you're not resident in the UK, as you won't be able to renew your UK license without being resident in the UK.
 
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Pimpernel Smith said:
You'll be glad to know that the first egg thrower is a very middle class and middle aged director of an arts centre with a Jeremy Corbyn beard to hide his double chin.
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I’m not sure how that would make me any happier than if it was a young chav or an old pensioner.
 
Grand Potentate said:
I’m not sure how that would make me any happier than if it was a young chav or an old pensioner.
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In the first case, if you had anything about you, you'd be making mega-bucks on the illegal drug trade and you wouldn't give two fucks about Thatcher...if you're an OAP, or approaching it, you're biggest gripe is with Gordon Brown who trashed the 2/3rd and private pension schemes.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
In the first case, if you had anything about you, you'd be making mega-bucks on the illegal drug trade and you wouldn't give two fucks about Thatcher...if you're an OAP, or approaching it, you're biggest gripe is with Gordon Brown who trashed the 2/3rd and private pension schemes.
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Maybe they’re all Irish
 
belinmad said:
Thatcher statue egg thrower -> defending Putin.
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No, just another middle class chinless wonder - quite literally - hiding his double chin behind his beard.

But I'm more interested will our Grand Potentate declare his support for Putin, or not?

I await with bated breath.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
You wouldn't give it a thought defending Putin's Russia would you?
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i'm definitely curious how you managed to connect those two dots.

belinmad said:
Thatcher statue egg thrower -> defending Putin.
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stand by for more information

Pimpernel Smith said:
No, just another middle class chinless wonder - quite literally - hiding his double chin behind his beard.

But I'm more interested will our Grand Potentate declare his support for Putin, or not?

I await with bated breath.
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why do you give a fuck what i think about putin?
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
No, just another middle class chinless wonder - quite literally - hiding his double chin behind his beard.
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1. What in the name of god has a double chin got to do with anything, including Putin?

2. What seems to be the problem with his chin?
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You really do focus on the most inane things.
 
Grand Potentate said:
why do you give a fuck what i think about putin?
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You seem to be trying to label the Ukrainian resistance as made up of Neo Nazis, is it not your position?

belinmad said:
1. What in the name of god has a double chin got to do with anything, including Putin
2. What seems to be the problem with his chin?
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You really do focus on the most inane things.
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He's a middle aged prat, is that not enough?
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
That's 2,000-2,500 with zero political clout gaining no seats in government. They do have some tanks though.
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It’s more than that.

thegrayzone.com

How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia - The Grayzone

While Western media deploys Volodymyr Zelensky's Jewish heritage to refute accusations of Nazi influence in Ukraine, the president has ceded to neo-Nazi forces and now depends on them as front line fighters. Back in October 2019, as the war in eastern Ukraine dragged on, Ukrainian President...
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And to be very clear: you can oppose the Russian invasion and support the liberation of all of Ukraine while still being critical of their alliance with the far right.
 
güero said:
Well how about all the non-Azov Nazis in the government? Do they count? E.g. in Lemberg:

Israeli ambassador ‘shocked’ at Ukraine’s honoring of Nazi collaborator | The Times of Israel

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Or what about other non-Azov Nazi friends like e.g. Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany? Do they count?
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The point is the ultra-nationalist neo-nazis in Ukraine got less than 2% at the ballot box and got zero seats in the parliament. So they have zero political representation and have insufficient support to even gain one seat in government.

In army of now over a million, they represent a very small contingent and won't find themselves players at the end of this.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
The point is the ultra-nationalist neo-nazis in Ukraine got less than 2% at the ballot box and got zero seats in the parliament. So they have zero political representation and have insufficient support to even gain one seat in government.
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not true
Pimpernel Smith said:
In army of now over a million, they represent a very small contingent and won't find themselves players at the end of this.
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also not true. they were a major part of the action in mariupol.
 
formby002 said:
Why don't you focus your attention on the real culprits hers, the Russians rather than being a modern day equivalent of Lenin's useful idiot.
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check my post history on this and you'll see that i've never done anything other than say its fucked all around.
 
Grand Potentate said:
check my post history on this and you'll see that i've never done anything other than say its fucked all around.
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No, it isn't fucked all around, there isn't a proxy war going on, there is no equivalences between sides. What there is, is a fascistic mafia state which feels in can invade a neighboring country because it believes itself to have a veto over said country's foreign policy and it is quite willing to commit war atrocities to further that aim whilst operating under auspices of nuclear blackmail.

That is what we have.
 
formby002 said:
there isn't a proxy war going on
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then why are we sending billions of dollars of weapons to the ukraine???

formby002 said:
there is no equivalences between sides
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i never said there were.

formby002 said:
What there is, is a fascistic mafia state which feels in can invade a neighboring country because it believes itself to have a veto over said country's foreign policy and it is quite willing to commit war atrocities to further that aim whilst operating under auspices of nuclear blackmail.
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ok this changes nothing about anything that i've ever said.
 
formby002 said:
No, it isn't fucked all around, there isn't a proxy war going on, there is no equivalences between sides. What there is, is a fascistic mafia state which feels in can invade a neighboring country because it believes itself to have a veto over said country's foreign policy and it is quite willing to commit war atrocities to further that aim whilst operating under auspices of nuclear blackmail.

That is what we have.
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out of curiosity what's your take on nato?
 
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