China - the next superpower

The Shooman said:
Hah, most of our lost trade has been replaced with new markets to U.K, India, Asia and other places. More like, we have big d**ked them, because now they don't have enough coal to run their country.

Looks like we are going to follow the U.S and boycott their olympics too. The CCP will never be a legitimate world power because countries are not going to recognise them, hence the olympic boycott. This is the start of many good things to come. :cool:

And, if they tried starting a war it wouldn't last long because many countries would just cut their resources off. No-one likes the communist party of China, so the days of becoming a superpower are well and truly over.
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shooey they literally make everything we own there. if any war happened the entire economy would ground to a halt.
 
Fwiffo said:
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China warns nations will 'pay price' for Olympic boycott

The US, UK, Australia and Canada won't be sending government representatives to the Winter Olympics.
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Just need the Kiwis and it's the full weight of the Anglo nations.
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It's amazing how unaware the regime is. They don't know that the more they try to force their will on countries the more they will push them away. It's amazing how the regime doesn't value freedom of choice.

It is actually good that the regime wants revenge. It exposes it for what it really is and will help seal its demise.
 
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Beijing 2022 vs 2008: Two Olympics and two very different Chinas

In 2022, the mood, the host government's attitude, and global expectations are all very different to 2008.
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"In 2022, the country has a new Party leadership with different priorities.

The attitude towards global perceptions of China, under President Xi Jinping, is more along the lines of: We suffered 100 years of humiliation during the 20th century; our time has arrived; and it is for the rest of you to accommodate us as we rise to our rightful place on the world stage."
 
Little Lithuania pokes China with Taiwan support and pays the price

"Within days, Lithuania pulled its diplomats out of Beijing after China downgraded its embassy. Virtually all of the country's exports to China — from lumber to beer to high-tech lasers — were cut off, up to $400 million US (over 500 million Cdn) of business in total.

Unique, and perhaps even unprecedented, was the mechanism by which Chinese officials were able to throttle Lithuania's trade.

They simply removed the country's name from China's customs register.

'We have been erased,' said Adomėnas. 'Anyone who tried to declare cargo coming from Lithuania would simply not find this country on the database.'

The impact on Lithuanian businesses, many of which had laboured for years to open up markets in China, was immediate and devastating."
 
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China: What does it want from the Ukraine crisis with Russia?

As Xi and Putin prepare to meet, China says it supports Russia's concerns - but doesn't want war.
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"China and Russia these days are close - perhaps closer than ever since the days of Stalin and Mao, some experts believe.

...the ever closer relationship and bond between China and Russia [that is] the last defence that protects the world order."
 
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China is the Olympics host again — but 2022 showcases a very different country than 2008

The country hosting the 2022 Winter Games is no longer rising — China has risen, confident in its place in the world as an economic and political power.
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"The country hosting the 2022 Winter Games is no longer rising — China has risen, confident in its place in the world as an economic and political power. Meanwhile, intense rivalry and distrust, not mutual curiosity, define relations between China and the United States.

China is far richer and more powerful than it was at the time of the 2008 Games. Its advance was accelerated by the global financial crisis, which began before the Beijing Olympics and worsened afterward.

Powered by a massive stimulus package, China weathered the economic turbulence better than many developed economies. Its gross domestic product grew from almost $5 trillion in 2008 to $18 trillion in 2021, making China the world’s second-largest economy after the U.S.

The country has evolved from being primarily a global manufacturing hub to boasting some of the world’s top tech companies and financial centers. Beijing is immensely proud of its economic achievements, as well as its authoritarian one-party political system, which it sees as more resilient than Western democracy.

Since 2008, China has also tripled military spending to more than $200 billion in 2021, compared with $700 billion in the U.S. Beijing launched its first aircraft carrier in 2012, and continues to develop an ambitious space program."

“'The Chinese people have never been as confident about their future as they are today,' said Victor Gao, a chair professor at Soochow University in China, who was an interpreter for paramount leader Deng Xiaoping. 'They do believe that China’s peaceful rise is inevitable.'"
 
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now THAT is a typical puff piece where a journalist paid by the CCP acts as a mouthpiece for the regime. This is typical foreign interference through the media.

The Chinese people have never been so confident about their future??, yet various countries have bought back significant owned Chinese ports (gatesways to major maritime trade routes), and there is not enough coal to fuel their economy, and their so much surveillance technology (signs of a paranoid regime). The real situation does not reflect the above article at all. I could go on and on. The real situation reflects a power in decline, and countries are pulling away from it more and more.

There is more to it than just GDP too. Figures only say so much, but the article relies on figures to try and baffle brains.
 
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During the last Taiwan crisis, China’s military was outmatched by U.S. forces. Not now.

The United States can no longer assume it has military dominance in the event of a showdown with China over Taiwan, experts say.
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1995-1996

"But the U.S. military responded with the largest show of force since the Vietnam War, sending an array of warships to the area, including two aircraft carrier groups. The carrier Nimitz and other battleships sailed through the narrow waterway that separates China and Taiwan, driving home the idea of America’s military dominance.

'Beijing should know the strongest military power in the western Pacific is the United States,' said the then-defense secretary, William Perry.

'They realized they were vulnerable, that the Americans could sail aircraft carriers right up in their face, and there was nothing they could do about it,' said Matthew Kroenig, who served as an intelligence and defense official in the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations."

2022

"'The PLA Navy has made remarkable progress since 1995 and 1996. It’s actually mind-staggering how quickly the PLA Navy has built itself up. And of course in ‘95-96, the PLA Air Force almost never flew over water,' said Finkelstein, a retired U.S. Army officer.

Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has described China’s dramatic rise as a military power as a strategic earthquake.

'We’re witnessing, in my view, we’re witnessing one of the largest shifts in global geostrategic power that the world has witnessed,' Milley said last year."

And the secret weapon...

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China to send troops to Russia for joint military exercise

Beijing's participation in the joint exercises was “unrelated to the current international and regional situation,” the country's defense ministry said in a statement.
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"Chinese troops will travel to Russia to take part in joint military exercises led by the host and including India, Belarus, Mongolia, Tajikistan and other countries, China’s defense ministry said Wednesday"

I hope someone keeps the peace between China and India.
 
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China congress: Xi Jinping doubles down on zero-Covid as meeting opens

The Communist Party meeting is expected to see Mr Xi get a precedent-breaking third term as leader.
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Stay the course.....

"In the past, the twice-a-decade congress was seen as a chance for leaders to promote their supporters, as they vied to increase the power of their factions within the party.

But observers say these days there appears to be only one faction at the 20th Party Congress - that of Mr Xi.

In a clear sign of this consolidation of power, top Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leaders released a communiqué days earlier endorsing him as 'the core' of the party and leadership. They also called for the party to unite even more closely behind him.

Mr Xi currently holds the three most powerful positions in China - general secretary of the CCP, chairman of the country's armed forces and president. He is expected to renew his term for the first two titles at the congress.

The CCP does not set any term limits. But no leader besides Mao, the founder of communist China, has ever served a third term.

The presidency also used to have a two-term limit in the country's constitution, put in place by reformer Deng Xiaoping to prevent the rise of a Mao-like figure.

But Mr Xi has managed to eliminate this requirement: in 2018 China's rubber-stamp parliament abolished the rule, effectively allowing him to remain president for as long as he likes."
 
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Xi Jinping's party is just getting started

China did not want another Mao, but the party did little to stop the rise of a more powerful leader.
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"Xi's ruthless and dramatic consolidation of power has caused many to liken him to Mao. But Mao's destructiveness was rooted in his desire to build a socialist utopia. What does Xi want to build?

Nothing that Mao would recognise, Prof Karl says.

'China today has no socialist characteristics' she says 'The subordination of labour to capital is complete. If you're a real socialist, you must have a notion of class democracy, of justice, of hierarchy and anti-hierarchy. None of that is even part of Xi Jinping thought.'

The only thing that remains from Mao-era China is the party. And that, she says, is what Xi truly cares about.

'He believes that in the world of hyper-competitive capitalism and a hyper-competitive arms race with the United States, the only plausible way that China can remain competitive is to remain under one party that happens to be called the Communist Party.'"

Even the communists are capitalists.
 
Said to be over 1 billion people with COVID in China at the moment. Many people are also defying orders from the ruling party and are calling for democracy. This is big news, and none of the normal media dare to report it.


I could post a couple of really good videos of people defying communist police as the police stand by doing nothing, but l won't at the moment. I think the CCP will fall soon. Xi is also scared, he isn't talking like a dictator anymore, but more like a leader of a democratic country.
 
The Shooman said:
I could post a couple of really good videos of people defying communist police as the police stand by doing nothing, but l won't at the moment. I think the CCP will fall soon. Xi is also scared, he isn't talking like a dictator anymore, but more like a leader of a democratic country.
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What part of the country is democratic?

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China removes social media accounts that criticize government's Covid-19 policy - UPI.com

China has removed more than 1,000 social media accounts that have criticized the government's Covid policies, even as the country has scrapped its zero-Covid policy.
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First people were screaming about zero covid. Now they're screaming about lifting of restrictions. This part I admit is very prevalent in democratic societies. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
 
Fwiffo said:
What part of the country is democratic?
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You might want to have a listen to this for about five minutes after 2:50. He is talking like a democratic leader. This is the big question, is Xi the good guy or the bad guy? Will Xi turn things around and steer China into a future without the CCP? A number of us are not too sure yet.
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Xi Jinping Shows Rare Moments of Weakness While “Firework Revolution” Defies CCP’s Authority | Videos | Inconvenient Truths | Gan Jing World

Recently, a lot of western media noticed and mentioned some rare moments when Xi Jinping showed some weakness. What are those moments, and what do those moments... | Videos | Gan Jing World
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This video above is significant and one of the only news coming out of China about what is really happening over there. Ganjing World is one of the few things designed to break through the China firewall, and insiders have been posting secret info from China. On Youtube most of her videos are invisible to the public because big tech are censoring what is really happening over there.

Another good one you might like is this:


Personally I think many of the CCP leadership will die in the pandemic (too much blood and karma on their hands) and there may be elections for a fresh group to run the country or a emperor like figure to run the country (maybe Xi if he does the right thing or maybe someone else). This pandemic was been spoken about 20 years ago, many of us have been waiting for this time. There was a big rock in China that broke open some years ago, and inside that rock was the date when the CCP would fall, that time is almost here (can't find the article)...it was a sign by the divine.

Fwiffo Fwiffo keep your eyes posted on this topic. None of the other media will be covering it (they are either censorsed or bought off), and it is probably the biggest news at the moment.
 
The virus has really cranked up in China. I think by the end of January it is going to be a very different China from what we have known in the past.
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Virus Tsunami puts Shanghai into silence & Medical experts tell the truth/Positive for the 3rd time | Videos | China Insights | Gan Jing World

#chinainsights#Chinacovid#Shanghaicovid<br>This is Shanghai on Jan. 6, 2023, where funeral operations were over capacity, and simple cremators were manufactured... | Videos | Gan Jing World
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and this (especially after 8 mins), China's time as a ruling economic power may have come to it's end. The start of the end is near IMO.
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The U.S. Shall Not Help Beijing Stabilize Its Economy

Get discounted Shenyun tickets: https://shenyun.live/Simone-Gao23 In the face of low consumption, infrastructure excess, real estate slump, supply chain exit, chip embargo, etc, Xi extends the olive branch to the West. It is a stopgap measure amid the crisis to stabilize the CCP rule. America...
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China has big problems. Local demand/consumption is low, so China needs international investment. The problem is that countries don't trust the CCP and are diversifying into other countries like India, and numerous big corporations in China are exiting the place. The BRI is also collapsing.

China thinks it will be on a winner with the green energy infrastructure, but l think it will fail badly because the energy investments are based on human rights abuses, energy and mineral intense infrastructrure manufacturing methods for these renewables, and toxic practices involved in the disposal of these renewable infrastructure when the end of their short term life is ended. The maths seems to show that these ideas are just pie dreams and not sustainable at all. And then there is the stuff the media aren't telling you about the many people starving and dying due to the renewable policies forced on countries. Ghana and Sri Lanki are suffering terribly, but the media have been told not to report it. People are not supposed to know about the damage the renewable policies are doing to countries, but with blackouts, crop failures in some countries, business' closing down, energy prices increasing the truth can't be hidden much longer. People in Germany, France, England, numerous European countries are now getting a wakeup call and are learning what Ghana and Sri Lanka already know. For this reason, Xi's reliance of renewable energy investment is going to end as a big disappointment IMO because renewable policies are unsustainable.
 
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China's population falls for first time since 1961

The birth rate fell to 6.77 births per 1,000 women - the lowest it has ever been.
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Did the US and Soviet Union achieve superpower first and then get more 'efficient' with a declining population or did they continue to grow bodies alongside might and economy?

Come to think of it the US is still growing with immigration.
 
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China set for historic demographic turn, accelerated by COVID traumas

Living under China's stringent COVID-19 restrictions for the past three years had caused Zhang Qi enough stress and uncertainty to consider not having babies in the country.
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"In less than 80 years China’s population size could be reduced by 45%. It will be a China unrecognisable by the world then."
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Looks like China's massive population decrease has already happened. A recent database hack into the security register shows 400 million less people since the pandemic hit. See from 1:02 - 7:26
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Leaked data hints true COVID fatalities: 400 million; Son puts father's ashes in plastic bag | Videos | Spotlight on China | Gan Jing World

0:00 Highlights 1:01 Leaked data from Shanghai reveals the horrifying number of Covid-related fatalities: 400 million people? 7:26 China rushes to manufacture d... | Videos | Gan Jing World
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Pretty muted response other than Blinken will come over and talk to you.

I wonder what the response from the previous guy would be like.
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I’m surprised the Pentagon didn’t want to shoot it down. We can only assume that they see benefit in studying it and intercepting comms rather than knocking it to the grounds.
 
Dropbear said:
I’m surprised the Pentagon didn’t want to shoot it down. We can only assume that they see benefit in studying it and intercepting comms rather than knocking it to the grounds.
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Good to know NORAD still works...
 
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Another Chinese 'surveillance balloon' is flying over Latin America, Pentagon says

A Defense Department spokesperson revealed the additional ballon after one was assessed to be flying 60,000 feet above the continental United States.
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What exactly is the US waiting for? The balloons to sail over population centres and unleash v2.0 of the Wuhan virus?

Blinken cancelled his trip so I guess the response is to yell at the Chinese on Twitter and wait for it to be translated to their own social media equivalent.
 
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Thousands Mistake US Research Balloon for Chinese Spy Craft

A high-altitude research balloon from the US is now among the world’s most-tracked aircraft, after thousands of internet users mistook it for the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon floating over the western state of Montana.
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"The fate of the balloon, as it wafts 10 miles above ground, remains uncertain — as do the delicate relations between two superpowers grasping for ways to deescalate tensions and get talks back on track."

Bloomberg says China is a superpower.

So did Andrea Mitchell from last night's NBC evening news...
 
Fwiffo said:
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Thousands Mistake US Research Balloon for Chinese Spy Craft

A high-altitude research balloon from the US is now among the world’s most-tracked aircraft, after thousands of internet users mistook it for the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon floating over the western state of Montana.
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"The fate of the balloon, as it wafts 10 miles above ground, remains uncertain — as do the delicate relations between two superpowers grasping for ways to deescalate tensions and get talks back on track."

Bloomberg says China is a superpower.

So did Andrea Mitchell from last night's NBC evening news...
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Fwiffo said:
Pretty muted response other than Blinken will come over and talk to you.

I wonder what the response from the previous guy would be like.
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#NEW #Pentagon confirms three #Chinese balloons flew over the #UnitedStates during the #Trump presidency, in a newly disclosed statement:

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F-22 Safely Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off South Carolina Coast

A U.S. Air Force fighter safely shot down a Chinese high-altitude surveillance balloon, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III said in a written statement.
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