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Pimpernel Smith

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Much tighter here, being an insurance system, that's free at the point of access only if you're poor or unemployed.

The vaccines are all emergency use only, we're all part of an experiment. That's why kids should be exempt, particularly as the vaccine poses more risk than the virus.
Poop all you like, but my position is valid: you boast about the software databases that provide a tight ring around the inoculated and if it turns out - there are worrying health trends - you can contact those at risk. But those inoculated with no ID and undocumented who cannot be traced, what health security for them?

Clearly none. That system whilst beaming with the quick fix of moral buzz and warm feelings in the gut, isn't part of the scientific method at all. Which should be applied to these vaccines.
 

Dropbear

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I don’t think you understand how health records and vaccine registries work.

Do you have to show your drivers’ license and proof of citizenship who you go to the Doctor? Or do they just have your contact details on file that you provided?
 

Pimpernel Smith

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I don’t think you understand how health records and vaccine registries work.

Do you have to show your drivers’ license and proof of citizenship who you go to the Doctor? Or do they just have your contact details on file that you provided?
I'm looking at it from interrogating data. If you're missing a pool of those you've vaccinated from a contact and trace perspective then you may have issues if subsequently health risks are identified against one or more vaccine. I suppose part and parcel when you have massive amounts of undocumented illegal aliens who are half-in-and-half-out the system.

If I go to a specialist, or visit the emergency ward, they will expect proof of identity with photo and insurance. If I can't provide, certainly for a non-emergency specialist visit, they will turn me away. In the case of real emergency, I will be walking away with the bill and on trying to leave the Netherlands, or certainly on re-entering I will be accosted at customs and be expected to pay the full amount duly owed. If I have credit cards and the like on me, I will be expected to use them to pay the fees of the medical services there and then at the point of usage.
 

Dropbear

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We are not missing significant data, aside from people’s immigration status - which is of no concern to the clinician providing the service.

That’s bizarre that you need to show ID just to see a doctor. Do you have to show ID to go the the dentist as well? What about kids who don’t have a driver’s license?
 

Pimpernel Smith

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That’s bizarre that you need to show ID just to see a doctor. Do you have to show ID to go the the dentist as well? What about kids who don’t have a driver’s license?
The GP I don't have to show ID, as they know me, same with the dentist. But on registering you do and they will expect that. You won't be able to register without ID and proof that you have insurance. You don't need to be a national, I'm not, but you need proof of identity and medical insurance. Edit: And your BSN(Tax) and Social Security number.

Different with voting, when you go to vote, you have to show proof of identity each and every time. It's not considered Jim Crow here, far from it.

What's considered bizarre in the States and to some extent in the UK, is considered sound due diligence and process over here. And this is a real welfare state.
 
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QuandoDio

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It is inevitable full reopening as expected on June 21 in the UK will be delayed by at least four weeks.

This seems to be a never-ending nightmare.
 

Pimpernel Smith

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It is inevitable full reopening as expected on June 21 in the UK will be delayed by at least four weeks.

This seems to be a never-ending nightmare.
You've got to find a way out of it, or indeed it will never end. Every flu season will be the same.

Watched that SAGE communist lady getting interviewed last week (what the hell she's doing advising government?), and she said masks need to stay mandatory forever when people go outside in public or any building, or school. The whole scheme to isolate individuals further.
 

Fwiffo

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You've got to find a way out of it, or indeed it will never end. Every flu season will be the same.

Watched that SAGE communist lady getting interviewed last week (what the hell she's doing advising government?), and she said masks need to stay mandatory forever when people go outside in public or any building, or school. The whole scheme to isolate individuals further.

Dear God no. Are we back to that new normal rubbish?
 

fxh

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I had like a mild hangover nausea, headaches the next day.
Well, when I say 'ill' what I really mean is a tad off-colour...

I never use the word ill in front of the delightful and ever-fragrant Ms Formby.
I imagine when an Englishman as refined and restrained as yourself says I was “a tad off colour” I assume you were in ICU and the priest gave you the last rites. Glad you pulled through.
 

Fwiffo

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"A higher-than-usual number of cases of a type of heart inflammation has been reported following Covid-19 vaccination, especially among young men following their second dose of an mRNA vaccine, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday."

I hope Pfizer and Moderna have better PR people than AstraZeneca.
 
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