Drugs, Legal and Otherwise (was CBD & Kratom)

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Anyone into these? Ive been trying out CBD for the last month. I don't think it's a miracle drug but it seems to help some with inflammation and pain.

Haven't tried Kratom yet because people can get addicted to it.
 
Curious about the kratum.

FWIW, 5-HTP is bollocks as a stim/mood enhancer. Also doesn't help with MDMA serotonin restock.
 
From what I can see both CBD & Kratum have no long term trials/studies and little studies on human use. That said I 'd suggest both seem to be relatively harmless in the short term and few side effects (All drugs have effects - side effects are just a term used to describe the effects you didn't want - at that time) .

Both seem oversold to me.

Kratum seems to have more new age devotees, and therefore in my not so humble, is less likely to be of much use beyond placebo. However if you can utilise placebo effect - go for it.

The idea of addiction is much debated and rightly so. I'm not a big believer (and I'm not alone) in the common usage and fear.

The biggest danger of both - and danger is too strong a word - is that getting an accurate measurement of dosage seems nigh impossible currently. But then again there seems to be no evidence with either of overdose potential.
 
CBD is excellent for taking the edge and panic off acute and extended pain. I'm not a fan of cannabis in general, in fact I don't like it, but this stuff works. It also works on skin. I took it for two weeks last July, when I was on four different pain killers, including morphine for my back nerve damage injury and this was the added catalyst needed for pain relief and sleep.

I wouldn't hesitate to take it again. A little bit fuzzy like Tramadol, but not as much and more effective as pain killer and calming. In fact, I think Tramadol is the proletariat pain killer/placebo. When you take morphine after awhile, it stops you from sleeping, so the CBD is a good antidote to this. Of course, I was triple dosing on the 4mg drops.

Long term or social use? No, I wouldn't.

Haven't heard of Kratum, is it like that fantastic stuff that was doing the rounds back in the mid-2000's that was one molecule away from pure liquid MDMA?
 
Lord B makes a good point which I neglected - these may well work as enhancers/potentiators/catalysts as LB said.

Along with my comments on addiction - using drugs socially/recreationally is not inherently any less moral or safe than using them medicinally approved.
 
Rambo said:
well, since its mostly for health benefits and doesn't get you high at all, i don't know who would use it socially. why wouldn't you use it long term?
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I pretty much like my recreational drugs to be full-on and it didn't really strike me as in that zone or mood enhancing. Not sure of the health benefits, but I do notice you can get salad dressings with it in.

It must be pretty powerful to alleviate spinal nerve damage pain, as in my experience, most pain killers are pretty much useless and you need to escalate to the morphine based ones as there ain't no synthesized alkaloid fuzzy Tramadol shit that can override direct spinal cord agitation and pain. It's opiates or banging your head against the wall and booking a direct one way flight to the euthanasia clinic.

So from that perspective, my experience is that it is a very effective over the counter solution.

I haven't tried any of the pain killers or CBD in a normal non-extreme pain state. I notice that there is a health and raw food store near my work that is pushing CBD, it appears to be entering the mainstream. Which may be a short step away from being only available on prescription.
 
Came in expecting rant from Sarto about Conservative Business Dress and Simon Kraptom - left disappointed.
 
Sarto has ingested more degenerate drugs than fwiffo has had whiskeys
 
been on the capsule form for a few weeks now. don't particularly feel any different vs. when i was using the oil sublingually.
 
Dropbear said:
I'm retesting this statement with 600mg daily plus St John's Wort. Because drugs.
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Haven’t tested the effects on mdma receptivity, but this combo has put me an an exceptionally good mood all week.
 
Dropbear said:
Haven’t tested the effects on mdma receptivity, but this combo has put me an an exceptionally good mood all week.
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Bad for your skin that St John's Wort.

Nothing quite like that liquid MDMA high: all gooey and warm, like being back in the womb. A good cure for PTSD and other ailments. If you've depression, a good cure to recalibrate the neuron signals.

The stuff around now seems to have quality control by those with allegiance to the Islamic State. You'd have to very brave to take it. The risks are too high.

Real dodgy street drugs out there now.
 
SJW is used to treat minor burns and bruises, but is probably neither good nor bad for your skin. Some people have claimed it makes them more sensitive to UV rays, much like that tricyclic antidepressants and tetracycline.

Home testing kits and the rise of e-commerce Chinese labs exporting Safrole to the Netherlands, plus Darknet vendor competition have made MDMA as clean, pure and predictable as the late 1980s. Trouble is that most of us who live through that period have screwed-up their serotonin system so badly they can’t enjoy this new era.
 
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Dropbear said:
I'm retesting this statement with 600mg daily plus St John's Wort. Because drugs.
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Dropbear said:
Haven’t tested the effects on mdma receptivity, but this combo has put me an an exceptionally good mood all week.
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You sure that is mg 5-HTP and not a precursor? Sounds like a lot tbh, I think I remember people taking 50-150mg for a couple of days each for pre-/reloading. Maybe try with a lower dose, or maybe you really need this much. The combination sounds a bit like adding a double espresso to a line of meth btw
 
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You sure that is mg 5-HTP and not a precursor? Sounds like a lot tbh, I think I remember people taking 50-150mg for a couple of days each for pre-/reloading. Maybe try with a lower dose, or maybe you really need this much. The combination sounds a bit like adding a double espresso to a line of meth btw
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To be honest, I'm still very skeptical on 5HTP supplements (yes, I was taking 6 100mg caps) having any real effect or benefit.

The big shocker was the SJW. About an hour after taking it, I was experiencing a mild serotonin high. Definitely pleasant, but it raised some concerns for me as to what it was doing. Some argue it has SSRI or MAOI properties. Some claim that a regime of SJW followed by a break can improve serotonin receptor uptake following MDA (aka, getting the magic back). Personally, I think this ignores the other factor at play: oxytocin production. There is also some documented concern that SJW combined with MDMA could lead to serotonin syndrome - from an excess of the good stuff. I stopped taking the SJW yesterday.

I may try a roll Saturday (though probably won't - when the time comes around I'll remember the recent disappointments of lost magic and sleep) to test this. Some day ...

For anyone experiencing mild depression, I now would not rule out SJW as a possible treatment. A $3 bottle had me buzzing a little all week.
 
Dropbear said:
SJW is used to treat minor burns and bruises, but is probably neither good nor bad for your skin. Some people have claimed it makes them more sensitive to UV rays, much like that tricyclic antidepressants and tetracycline.

Home testing kits and the rise of e-commerce Chinese labs exporting Safrole to the Netherlands, plus Darknet vendor competition have made MDMA as clean, pure and predictable as the late 1980s. Trouble is that most of us who live through that period have screwed-up their serotonin system so badly they can’t enjoy this new era.
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I'm not so sure, the Dutch Head Shops stopped selling the Chinese plant food more than a decade ago and lots of kids have been killing themselves with lethal doses of super strength MDMA right across Europe.
 
My mum asked me to send her some CBD. She says she can get it in Aus, but it requires an Rx and additional paperwork. It’s for her arthritis. I’ve never bought or tried it - do I just walk into the shop and ask for the strongest stuff they have?
 
Dropbear said:
My mum asked me to send her some CBD. She says she can get it in Aus, but it requires an Rx and additional paperwork. It’s for her arthritis. I’ve never bought or tried it - do I just walk into the shop and ask for the strongest stuff they have?
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For skin use, pretty much so. I read that Jane Fonda takes a few drops under the tongue to aid sleep

My mum told me yesterday that she had heard Magnesium is good for aiding sleep disorders. So last night I took a supplement before bed. I slept for 9 hrs which is the best sleep I've had for a very long time. Refreshed all day, not that feeling of over tiredness and restlessness after waking up fully alert at 2am.

I will be giving it another go tonight....
 
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Thanks. I was assuming it was an oral supplement - didn’t occur to me it could be topical.

I take a zinc and magnesium supplement - seems to help with sleep.
 
Dropbear said:
My mum asked me to send her some CBD. She says she can get it in Aus, but it requires an Rx and additional paperwork. It’s for her arthritis. I’ve never bought or tried it - do I just walk into the shop and ask for the strongest stuff they have?
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I'm pretty sure that for inflamatory diseases something oral is better than something topical. Though you might want to research what's best. I'm also pretty sure that you most likely need to get the strongest they have, because at least most of what's typically available in Europe (last time I checked) is incredibly low-dose and placebo-like, if you compare the dosage to what's used in medical studies.
 
Dropbear Dropbear first off, not all cbd is created equal. Quality varies a TON between producers and products. Dont just go into a shop and pick out any ole thing. Second, what does she want to use it for? That can help narrow down providers.
 
Rambo said:
Dropbear Dropbear first off, not all cbd is created equal. Quality varies a TON between producers and products. Dont just go into a shop and pick out any ole thing. Second, what does she want to use it for? That can help narrow down providers.
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She just said that she wants to see if it helps with her arthritis.

This place is in my area, is their shit legit?

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Dropbear said:
I take a zinc and magnesium supplement - seems to help with sleep.
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That's two nights I've taken magnesium and two great sleeps. I've woken up both nights, but immediately been able to go back to sleep without any restlessness and not being able to get comfortable for more than a couple of minutes. Haven't had two good nights sleep in a row for years.
 
Dropbear said:
She just said that she wants to see if it helps with her arthritis.

This place is in my area, is their shit legit?

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well some people do see results but others think its all snake oil. people who have good results tend to take large amounts so you'll have to see where that gets you.

i've never heard of that shop. if you need good resources check reddit.com/r/cbd. lots of good recs on there.

is she looking for a pill, liquid you take under the tongue, balm, etc.?
 
Rambo said:
well some people do see results but others think its all snake oil. people who have good results tend to take large amounts so you'll have to see where that gets you.

i've never heard of that shop. if you need good resources check reddit.com/r/cbd. lots of good recs on there.

is she looking for a pill, liquid you take under the tongue, balm, etc.?
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CBD is definitely not snake oil, it works. In the right dose. But as a calming/aid to sleep, easing arthritis. I don't believe it will cure cancer and some other spurious stuff being spread on the internet.

The magnesium didn't work last night, I was up at 1.20am and didn't get back to sleep. But I did have two Armagnacs as a digestif and one was quite large. I'm good for one measured drink after dinner, no more, or I will wake up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed looking for a mission at a time when there isn't one.

Apparently they give magnesium to horses to calm them and aid sleep.
 
CBD has been great for pain and relaxation for me. I personally like hemp products over processed (isolates, etc). A combination of topical cream and a capsule of raw hemp oil really helped my chronic neck pain.

You can get flower straight from the farmer for good prices and process it if that's your thing. I like TOKN and Fields of Hemp myself, both are farmer couples who you can talk to directly. It's pretty sweet to get a couple ounces of dank bud delivered to your door by the US Post Office, all perfectly legal.

TOKN has wonderful hemp teas. They put a bit of powdered coconut milk to aid absorption, and the flavors are quite pleasant. I drink a cup every night.

Capsules, gummies and lotion, I like Charlottes Web and Endoca.
EDIT: Oh! One other company that is highly regarded is Lazarus Naturals. I had their tinctures, and they're great.
 
I stopped by the local CBD shop to get more gummies to send my mum for her arthritis. I got to talking to with the owner and he threw in a few samples. I tried a liquid dropper thing and I’m not sure if I really felt anything.
 
This shit just made me super sleepy all day.

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It seems everyone is microdosing shrooms these days. The last time I did that was 35 years ago on a mountain in Bali, puking in technicolor. Not sure I’m ready to do that again.
 
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