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gotta start using your basic reading skills arny
Gates, who is also an investor in nuclear power
Your first comment makes no sense.gotta start using your basic reading skills arny
literally all you need to know about this article is in the 2nd paragraph.
well the first sentence directly relates to the second. lets go through it quickly. you're premise here is that nuclear is a good bet bet for the future because billy gates says so. i responded saying that you didn't read the article critically and quoted the reason WHY billy gates thinks nuclear is a good bet - because he'll make money off it if we continue with nuclear. you counter that my comment about you not reading critically makes no sense and then follow that doozy up with an even bigger whopper about how it doesn't matter that billy gates is invested in nuclear.Your first comment makes no sense.
And secondly, so what? This thread is supposed to be about discussing energy and you are not adding to it in any useful way whatsoever.
one day you and your nuclear power humpers will finally read one of these fucking articles. the money shot in the final paragraph:The Dark Side of Solar Power
Worth a read from Harvard Business Report.
Big trash problem incoming for solar and other renewables, hopefully capacity for recycling this stuff is built up quickly.
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Why Everything They Said About Solar Was Wrong - Analysis by Michael Shellenberger
Solar Panels Will Create 50 Times More Waste & Cost 4 Times More Than Predicted, New Harvard Business Review Study Finds
None of this should raise serious doubts about the future or necessity of renewables. The science is indisputable: Continuing to rely on fossil fuels to the extent we currently do will bequeath a damaged if not dying planet to future generations.
No Grand Potentate , true believers only have to focus on the key information that they choose to quote. Key messages that the study has to offer are optional.one day you and your nuclear power humpers will finally read one of these fucking articles. the money shot in the final paragraph:
Oh god. That article was getting dunked on by all sides on Twitter.
Mostly because of responses like this by the business weirdos....because we're not in a planned economy. In a market economy price matters?
The problem there is, if that energy can't be stored for use when the energy grid actually needs it e.g. during the evening, then it's completely wasted. The statement about driving costs into ''negative territory'' is pure BS, certainly here in the Netherlands and much of Europe, as renewables are guaranteed priority access to the grid and guaranteed (along with subsidies) prices.
The problem is that we are moving to a planned economy with an energy policy not based on cost effectiveness and reliability, quite the opposite. That's why the likes of Mark Carney are so adamant that the middle and working classes must make lifestyle and wealth sacrifices and have diet, opportunities to travel and have their aspirations limited, managed and curtailed....because we're not in a planned economy. In a market economy price matters?
that's not true. the energy generated could be sold back to the utility for repurposing.The problem there is, if that energy can't be stored for use when the energy grid actually needs it e.g. during the evening, then it's completely wasted.
one day you'll actually read one of these fucking articles. from the piece:The statement about driving costs into ''negative territory'' is pure BS, certainly here in the Netherlands and much of Europe, as renewables are guaranteed priority access to the grid and guaranteed (along with subsidies) prices.
A new report finds that California, which produces one of the largest shares of solar power in the world, is already acutely experiencing this phenomenon, known as solar value deflation.
The state’s average solar wholesale prices have fallen 37% relative to the average electricity prices for other sources since 2014, according to the Breakthrough Institute analysis, which will be published on July 14. In other words, utilities are increasingly paying solar plants less than other sources overall, due to their fluctuating generation patterns.
Wholesale prices are basically the amount that utilities pay power plants for the electricity they deliver to households and businesses. They shift throughout the day and year, edging back up for solar operators during the mornings, afternoons and other times when there isn’t excess supply. But as more solar plants come online, the periods of excess supply that drive down those costs will become more frequent and more pronounced.
Lower prices may sound great for consumers. But it presents troubling implications for the world’s hopes of rapidly expanding solar capacity and meeting climate goals.
It could become difficult to convince developers and investors to continue building ever more solar plants if they stand to make less money or even lose it. In fact, California construction has already been flat since 2018, the study notes. But the state will need the industry to significantly ramp up development if it hopes to pull off its ambitious clean energy targets.
yay for hydrogen batteries but why can't net zero be achieved with solar and wind?This is why all the hydrogen projects are important, because without that technology delivering and there's many if's and but's then net zero cannot be delivered other than by sleight of hand.
the article talks about why solar is struggling. hint: its not because of a lack of sun at night (emphasis mine)Biomass and biofuels are being used at present to cover up the limitations of wind farms and solar renewables. The overall renewable power contribution is starting to look viable, but takeaway biomass and biofuels, it's still in the very low percentage taken over a year. And let's be clear biomass burns wood pellets and is a big C02 emitter more so than modern coal power stations and needs a hefty dose of gas to get the fuel to burn, but gets a free pass as being not a fossil fuel and biofuels are mixed with hydrocarbons.
So far, heavy solar subsidies and the rapidly declining cost of solar power has offset the falling value of solar in California. So long as it gets ever cheaper to build and operate solar power plants, value deflation is less of a problem.
But it’s likely to get harder and harder to pull off that trick, as the state’s share of solar generation continues to climb. If the cost declines for building and installing solar panels tapers off, California’s solar deflation could pull ahead in the race against falling costs as soon as 2022 and climb upward from there, the report finds. At that point, wholesale pricing would be below the subsidized costs of solar in California, undermining the pure economic rationale for building more plants, Hausfather notes.
whats it based on then?The problem is that we are moving to a planned economy with an energy policy not based on cost effectiveness and reliability, quite the opposite.
yes everyone is going to have to make lifestyle and wealth sacrifices. especially the rich. which won't happen with people of your political bent in charge of the globe.hat's why the likes of Mark Carney are so adamant that the middle and working classes must make lifestyle and wealth sacrifices and have diet, opportunities to travel and have their aspirations limited, managed and curtailed.
one thing we can agree on is that these cocksuckers should all be shotThe only way to achieve this will be in a highly controlled dictatorship of the technocratic elite, which appears to be the agenda of the Great Reset that is currently in play.
The very rich have no intention of giving up anything. They will be pontificating and wagging fingers at the rest of us about our carbon foot print and how we must make further sacrifices to appease the vengeful climate gods.yes everyone is going to have to make lifestyle and wealth sacrifices. especially the rich. which won't happen with people of your political bent in charge of the globe.
one thing we can agree on is that these cocksuckers should all be shot
Do you know what temperatures are reached in nuclear reactors and the superheated steam systems? Depending on the technology it can be 300-700C. They're hardly going to be go into meltdown because the summer or winter is hotter than the seasonal norm.Pimpernel Smith Arnathor for when he comes back
nothing says power of the future like a technology that can be felled by jellyfish...
Content from the Renewable Hydrogen Summit 2021:
As an executive summary: Green hydrogen is very far away from being commercially viable and without subsidized public funding, regulations, financial instruments and targets from the EU Commission it’s never going to be doable for private investors, nor able to compete against fossil fuels.
If we think we have problems with the cost of gas now, we need to brace ourselves for the renewable energy costs as we move towards the EU Fit for 55 targets by 2030.
We are subsidizing it, as we do windfarms and all the other renewables.So why can’t we heavily subsidize it like we do gas?