Fall of Afghanistan

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“He blamed Taliban successes on the poor morale of troops who are mostly outnumbered and without resupplies.

‘Unfortunately, the majority of the districts were left to Taliban without any fight,’ said Rahman. In the last three days, 10 districts fell to Taliban, eight without a fight, he said.

Hundreds of Afghan army, police and intelligence troops surrendered their military outposts and fled to the Badakhshan provincial capital of Faizabad, said Rahman.

Even as a security meeting was being held early Sunday to plot the strengthening of the perimeter around the capital, some senior provincial officials were leaving Faizabad for the capital Kabul, he said.

In late June the Afghan government resurrected militias with a reputation of brutal violence to support the beleaguered Afghan forces, but Rahman said many of the militias in the Badakhshan districts put up only a half-hearted fight.”

“The Interior Ministry issued a statement Saturday saying the defeats were temporary although it was not clear how they would regain control.”

Another step towards the fall of Saigon Kabul.
 

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"The Americans left behind about 3.5 million items, Gen Kohistani said, including tens of thousands of bottles of water, energy drinks and military ready-made meals, known as MREs. They also left behind thousands of civilian vehicles, without keys, and hundreds of armoured vehicles, the Associated Press reported.

They took heavy weapons with them and detonated some ammunition stocks, but left behind small weapons and ammunition for the Afghans, Gen Kohistani said."
 

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"'Just one more year of fighting in Afghanistan is not a solution,' Mr Biden said in a White House speech, 'but a recipe for fighting there indefinitely.'

He also denied that a Taliban takeover is 'inevitable,' saying that the Taliban force of approximately 75,000 fighters is no match for the 300,000 Afghan security forces."

The fall of Kabul is inevitable?
 

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I’m sure we’ll more than make up for it in heroin sales
Most Afghan hooch of most kinds doesnt get to USA. America gets inferior stuff from South America

U.S. officials estimate that 90 to 94 percent of heroin consumed in the United States today comes from Mexico, which is now producing about 70 tons per year. Another four to six percent comes from Asia, principally Afghanistan, the origin of most heroin consumed elsewhere in the world.
 

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I’m sure we’ll more than make up for it in heroin sales

I thought during the nation building phase we paid the farmers extra to plant sustainable crops instead of opium.

Let's hope it's not like the retreat from Kabul.

The Taliban were created and abetted by Pakistan and what a Frankenstein monster they created.

President Biden said it won't be like Saigon where people are queuing to get on the last helicopter.
 

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Most Afghan hooch of most kinds doesnt get to USA. America gets inferior stuff from South America

U.S. officials estimate that 90 to 94 percent of heroin consumed in the United States today comes from Mexico, which is now producing about 70 tons per year. Another four to six percent comes from Asia, principally Afghanistan, the origin of most heroin consumed elsewhere in the world.
yes and who do you think is directing that? the CIA didn't spend 20 years there just to let the chinese take over sales.
 

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"The Taliban recently claimed that their fighters have retaken 85% of territory in Afghanistan - a figure impossible to independently verify and disputed by the government. Other estimates say the Taliban controls more than a third of Afghanistan's 400 districts."
 

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That doesn't look hopeful.
 

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"The border post dividing the Afghan town of Spin Boldak in Kandahar province on one side and the Pakistani town of Chaman on the other, is the second busiest crossing between the countries.

According to BBC correspondent Lyse Doucet, the crossing would be a major prize - symbolically and strategically - if the Taliban continue to hold it. It would give them significant customs revenue from the trade which flows back and forth and provide direct access to areas in Pakistan, where Taliban leaders and fighters are known to have been based for many years, she says."

That's good. Let them have more money.
 

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Well, when the last American plane takes off, the Talibs can serenade them, "We put a boot up your ass, it's the Taliban way!"

Harsh and cruel men, the Taliban are: When in power, they abolished the fine old Afghan custom of dogfighting.
 

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"The officials said the U.S. conducted two strikes overnight in Kandahar, targeting stolen military vehicles and equipment that was directly threatening the Afghan military. As the Taliban take over land, they have been collecting Afghan military vehicles and equipment left behind."

Left behind...not surrendered nor captured.
 

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"The militant group is estimated to have captured up to half of all territory.

It has moved swiftly in the wake of the US withdrawal, retaking border crossings and other territory in rural areas."
 

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"Customs duty on goods entering the country via crossings they control is now collected by the Taliban - although exact amounts are unclear as the volume of trade has fallen as a result of the fighting.

But, Islam Qala on the border with Iran was, for example, capable of generating more than $20m per month."

That's good news. Money was what powered ISIS.

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"By control, we mean districts where the administrative centre, police headquarters and all other government institutions are controlled by the Taliban."

I'm going to say that poor blue one surrounded by red will be overrun soon.
 

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"One MP in Kandahar told the BBC the city was at serious risk of falling to the Taliban, with tens of thousands of people already displaced and a humanitarian disaster looming.

Gul Ahmad Kamin said the situation was getting worse hour by hour, and the fighting within the city was the most severe in 20 years.

He said the Taliban now saw Kandahar as a major focal point, a city they want to make their temporary capital. If it fell, then five or six other provinces in the region would also be lost, Mr Kamin said."

There goes all the effort my country went into securing Afghanistan and the war on terror and all that.

"Residents say few places in the city are safe and some people are taking up arms to defend themselves.

Ismail Khan, a former commander who fought against Soviet forces in the 1980s, has launched an armed movement to try to defend the city."

Citizens' defence. What happened to the trained troops?
 

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"Gen Sadat told the BBC that while government forces had lost ground, he believed the Taliban would be unable to sustain their assault.

However, he said the Taliban were being reinforced by fighters from other Islamist groups and warned that their gains posed a threat beyond Afghanistan."
 

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"US President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that he did not regret withdrawing troops from Afghanistan after 20 years, urging Afghan leaders to unite and 'fight for their nation'.

He insisted the US was keeping the commitments it had made to Afghanistan, such as providing close air support, paying military salaries and supplying government forces with equipment and food."

Fight you Afghans!


"For years, Mr Ghani tried to sideline the warlords in an attempt to boost the Afghan National Army, and now he is turning to them in his hour of need, the BBC's Ethirajan Anbarasan says. Earlier this week, the president also agreed to arm pro-government militia.

Mazar-i-Sharif lies close to the borders with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and its loss would mark the complete collapse of the government's control over the north of Afghanistan."
 

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"The Biden administration is preparing for Afghanistan’s capital to fall far sooner than feared only weeks ago...One official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the issue’s sensitivity, said Tuesday that the U.S. military now assesses a collapse could occur within 90 days."
 

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"The Biden administration is preparing for Afghanistan’s capital to fall far sooner than feared only weeks ago...One official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the issue’s sensitivity, said Tuesday that the U.S. military now assesses a collapse could occur within 90 days."
It's a mission for two men alone, or the Chinese:

 

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"'In our Sharia it's clear, for those who have sex and are unmarried, whether it's a girl or a boy, the punishment is 100 lashes in public.'

'But for anyone who's married, they have to be stoned to death… For those who steal: if it's proved, then his hand should be cut off.'

He pushes back against criticism of the punishments as incompatible with the modern world.

'People's children are being kidnapped. Is that better? Or is it better that one person's hand is chopped off and stability is brought in the community?'"

And if you chop off a few heads and do reverse crucifixion not only will there be stability there will be prosperity.
 

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"'In our Sharia it's clear, for those who have sex and are unmarried, whether it's a girl or a boy, the punishment is 100 lashes in public.'

'But for anyone who's married, they have to be stoned to death… For those who steal: if it's proved, then his hand should be cut off.'

He pushes back against criticism of the punishments as incompatible with the modern world.

'People's children are being kidnapped. Is that better? Or is it better that one person's hand is chopped off and stability is brought in the community?'"

And if you chop off a few heads and do reverse crucifixion not only will there be stability there will be prosperity.
Gotta admit he makes some valid arguments.
 

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”This is not an abandonment. This is not an evacuation. This is not the wholesale withdrawal. What this is is a reduction in the size of our civilian footprint.”

And according to the President it won’t be like Saigon.
 

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Gotta admit he makes some valid arguments.
Like what?

”This is not an abandonment. This is not an evacuation. This is not the wholesale withdrawal. What this is is a reduction in the size of our civilian footprint.”

And according to the President it won’t be like Saigon.
The Brits have sent the Paras in to get our people out.

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Like what?

The Brits have sent the Paras in to get our people out.

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Canada is sending in special forces to evacuate the embassy in Kabul. How is this not a complete reenactment of Saigon?

I am sure the President in Afghanistan will fly somewhere to rally the militia, army and warlords and a propaganda piece about how a counteroffensive will crush the Taliban soon.
 

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the president fled and kabul's about to fall
 

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"Describing him as 'a former president', Abdullah said Ghani had 'left the nation in such a situation'.

'God will hold him accountable and the nation will also judge,' he said, in a video on Facebook."
 

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She is speaking Dari. Which is basically Farsi with a different accent.
 
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