Hate the Millennials/Ask a Millennial a question

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http://elitedaily.com/life/50-things-millennials-make-corporate-america-uncomfortable/758330/

I couldn't even finish reading this article. Good luck on that whole "being poor" thing; what will you do though when Apple drops their next IPhone?
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3. We don’t care about getting into trouble. --> you should

4. We’re willing to work for nothing if it means being happy… Despite being in debt. --> unless your parent's don't have any money, in that case you'll "occupy wall st"

5. We know how to beat the system. --> No you don't because everyone hates you
 

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I think I agree. This is a very well prepared client. Arguably, he has practice being smarmy and uncooperative, but it works to his advantage here.
If I was a member of a jury, I'd award 10x the ask. He looks like an unbelievable asshole. Ya, lawyers are lawyers, but it's his $ they want.
 

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If I was a member of a jury, I'd award 10x the ask. He looks like an unbelievable asshole. Ya, lawyers are lawyers, but it's his $ they want.
Bah, emotional like a women. He kept his mouth shut and gave them next to nothing.
Those attorneys. So much win.
Not the opposing lawyers. They tried to rile him up and failed while making themselves look foolish.
 

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Meh. Bieber has almost zero chance of coming off as a milquestoast saint in some case of mistaken identity, so he uses his known persona to his advantage. Douchiness is not a crime, and he's there for legalities. Had he come off as a contrite, agreeable victim, he'd have either admitted too much or not appeared credible. I'm no fan, but he did it well.
 

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This is a millennial using all their discipline to be humble and quiet. You know he wanted to take selfies and tweet and brag about stuff but he didn't. There is some hope.
 

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That's actually tangentially one of my pet peeves. People don't feel like they need to know how stuff works to use it anymore. I fully think that you need to be able to rebuild a car engine to qualify as an automobile owner, and need to be able to program to own a computer.

Steve Jobs did more than any person on this earth to make humanity dumber.
 

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I fully think that you need to be able to rebuild a car engine to qualify as an automobile owner
Well, at least understand the Otto cycle and know which wheels drive the car.
There's an old meme about motorcycle repair. Japanese& American = wrenches, German = credit card, Italian = gasoline and matches.
Millennial are part of a consumer society. They are the ones being consumed.
 

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Well, at least understand the Otto cycle and know which wheels drive the car.
There's an old meme about motorcycle repair. Japanese& American = wrenches, German = credit card, Italian = gasoline and matches.
Millennial are part of a consumer society. They are the ones being consumed.
Accurate.
 

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That's actually tangentially one of my pet peeves. People don't feel like they need to know how stuff works to use it anymore. I fully think that you need to be able to rebuild a car engine to qualify as an automobile owner, and need to be able to program to own a computer.

Steve Jobs did more than any person on this earth to make humanity dumber.
Jobs was elite :surprisedrage:

Reliance on technology has nothing to do with millennials. After the car was invented, fewer people needed to learn to shoe a horse. It's progress. The amount of time needed to maintain a horse versus a car freed up time for other pursuits. And planned obsolescence was there before millennials. I agree that this crowd has adopted planned stupidity more than any time in history I've seen, but it's not completely their fault.

My dad fixed shit and because if it, I fix shit. I watched my dad buy his share of junk and thru that I learned that you need to buy things carefully or you'll end up as part of this machine churning out planned obsolescence. Millennials, to their detriment, don't care. The sapping of their economic power as a consequence will almost be invisible, but they'll always be a dollar short unless they learn, and at this point they'll have to learn it the hard way.
 

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People don't feel like they need to know how stuff works to use it anymore. I fully think that you need to be able to rebuild a car engine to qualify as an automobile owner, and need to be able to program to own a computer.
This is a little much. I understand the need to be able to check the oil, but advanced mechanics knowledge shouldn't be a requirement just to drive to the fucking grocery store.

The problem with a lot of the new gadgets is that they are literally impossible to fix yourself. Either requiring tools that you don't have or can't buy, or parts that are only sold through "authorized" distributors. Its completely impossible to repair a broken iPhone 6.
 

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Jobs was elite :surprisedrage:

Reliance on technology has nothing to do with millennials. After the car was invented, fewer people needed to learn to shoe a horse. It's progress. The amount of time needed to maintain a horse versus a car freed up time for other pursuits. And planned obsolescence was there before millennials. I agree that this crowd has adopted planned stupidity more than any time in history I've seen, but it's not completely their fault.

My dad fixed shit and because if it, I fix shit. I watched my dad buy his share of junk and thru that I learned that you need to buy things carefully or you'll end up as part of this machine churning out planned obsolescence.
Jobs was the super elite.

I'm not positing reliance on technology, I'm saying they don't understand the technology.

I was pissed when PC's started putting color coding on the jacks. Let way too many idiots plug their computers together.
 

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This is a little much. I understand the need to be able to check the oil, but advanced mechanics knowledge shouldn't be a requirement just to drive to the fucking grocery store.

The problem with a lot of the new gadgets is that they are literally impossible to fix yourself. Either requiring tools that you don't have or can't buy, or parts that are only sold through "authorized" distributors. Its completely impossible to repair a broken iPhone 6.
Well, to the first part, Joe Bob McRedneck can rebuild an engine, so I'm not really sure that's "advanced mechanics". It's pretty damn easy actually.

The second part I sort of agree with, but you can manage more than people do.
 

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This is a little much. I understand the need to be able to check the oil, but advanced mechanics knowledge shouldn't be a requirement just to drive to the fucking grocery store.

The problem with a lot of the new gadgets is that they are literally impossible to fix yourself. Either requiring tools that you don't have or can't buy, or parts that are only sold through "authorized" distributors. Its completely impossible to repair a broken iPhone 6.
It's a step worse, Rambo. Parts are planned to be so expensive that buying a new one is more cost effective.
 

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Well, to the first part, Joe Bob McRedneck can rebuild an engine, so I'm not really sure that's "advanced mechanics". It's pretty damn easy actually.

The second part I sort of agree with, but you can manage more than people do.
A modern car takes a lot more know-how than Joe Bob can handle. A dude like that stopped being able to properly service a car in the 90s. I'm technically savvy, can turn a wrench, but no way can I properly service my car... not even the brakes.
 

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Well, to the first part, Joe Bob McRedneck can rebuild an engine, so I'm not really sure that's "advanced mechanics". It's pretty damn easy actually.

The second part I sort of agree with, but you can manage more than people do.
Yes, but Joe Bob has been rebuilding engines his entire life. A woman in the suburbs isn't going to be able to take apart an engine block.

I can actually manage extremely well and could put together just about anything. Taking apart and dissecting things is a very important skill. I still couldn't rebuild an engine.
It's a step worse, Rambo. Parts are planned to be so expensive that buying a new one is more cost effective.
Also very true. Not to mention that most electronics have a planned EoL of just beyond their warranties.
 

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A modern car takes a lot more know-how than Joe Bob can handle. A dude like that stopped being able to properly service a car in the 90s. I'm technically savvy, can turn a wrench, but no way can I properly service my car... not even the brakes.
Yeah he can, it's really not that hard. Rednecks have better computer and engineering skills than you think. You could do it too if you wanted to.

Yes, but Joe Bob has been rebuilding engines his entire life. A woman in the suburbs isn't going to be able to take apart an engine block.

I can actually manage extremely well and could put together just about anything. Taking apart and dissecting things is a very important skill. I still couldn't rebuild an engine.
Bitch ought not be drivin then.

Trust me, you could do it.

Apparently I'm going to have to host an engine rebuilding party this year for you people.
 

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Jobs was the super elite.

I'm not positing reliance on technology, I'm saying they don't understand the technology.

I was pissed when PC's started putting color coding on the jacks. Let way too many idiots plug their computers together.
They still fuck up even with colours. Watch people try and hook up a projector to a laptop. "In" from where? "Out" to where?

The lack of common sense is appalling; it is not common at all. I think a lot of it starts with kids not doing chores anymore. If you don't have to cut the grass, the lawnmower doesn't ever not start for you.
 

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Yeah he can, it's really not that hard. Rednecks have better computer and engineering skills than you think. You could do it too if you wanted to.



Bitch ought not be drivin then.

Trust me, you could do it.

Apparently I'm going to have to host an engine rebuilding party this year for you people.
I'll bring the Budweiser.
 

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Yes, but Joe Bob has been rebuilding engines his entire life. A woman in the suburbs isn't going to be able to take apart an engine block.

I can actually manage extremely well and could put together just about anything. Taking apart and dissecting things is a very important skill. I still couldn't rebuild an engine.

Also very true. Not to mention that most electronics have a planned EoL of just beyond their warranties.
This is the missing bit: being able to troubleshoot and take things apart while using reasoning to figure something out.

I am not a diesel mechanic. The tractor wouldn't start yesterday. Oh oh! What duz I do? I either throw up my hands and whine or try and find the problem. Duz it got fuel? Duz the fuel get on into the engine? How come I can't prime fuel? Ok fuel is running out of the line when I disconnect it from the pump, but it don't come out the other end. Why is it leaking at the housing? Oh yeah, plastic at -25. Now planned obsolescence comes into play. Pull off the pump and we go to John Deere later.

Ain't no AAA for tractors. At least on Sunday's plus they hate to come out at the best of times for a 50 hp machine.
 

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+1 to the idea that things like car ownership ought to require some level of mechanical understanding. No, you shouldn't have to know how to rebuild an engine, but neither should you have to call AAA to change a flat. You should also be able to check the oil, tread depth, etc. I actually would not be opposed to some sort of basic knowledge test as part of driver's licensure.

What's the Sopranos quote? "We change tires in this family," or something to that effect.

Honestly, though, the weirdest part of the notion that millennials can't/won't do this stuff is that it means they're not interested in it. It's not so much a philosophical thing for me; I just want to know how things work. Does that really not exist for their generation?
It is a sweeping generalization so of course it does not apply to each and everyone of them. But the lack of deferment of gratification that is one of the defining characteristics of this generation suggests they cannot be bothered putting in the time to learn things that are unimportant to them. "Tell me what I need to know" is what it is all about but "I don't need to know it if it doesn't result in an immediate solution"
 

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It is a sweeping generalization so of course it does not apply to each and everyone of them. But the lack of deferment of gratification that is one of the defining characteristics of this generation suggests they cannot be bothered putting in the time to learn things that are unimportant to them. "Tell me what I need to know" is what it is all about but "I don't need to know it if it doesn't result in an immediate solution"
You're right, and I think it's a level deeper. It's an entitlement problem. They act like they don't need to learn anything because they think it should be handed to them. Everything revolves around this attitude.
 

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You're right, and I think it's a level deeper. It's an entitlement problem. They act like they don't need to learn anything because they think it should be handed to them. Everything revolves around this attitude.
The problem with that is that everything IS handed to them.
 

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You're right, and I think it's a level deeper. It's an entitlement problem. They act like they don't need to learn anything because they think it should be handed to them. Everything revolves around this attitude.
Spot on. Expecting to be handed shit and getting it a lot of the time does not create the inquisitive nature to fix things.
 

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I was speaking with a friend's mother over Christmas; she's a school teacher, currently teaching ninth graders at a rather ghetto school (bless her soul...:sadwhy:)

She's been doing this for years, but she's been distinctly impressed over the last year or so that something has changed in these kids - they were often obstinate and disruptive, but there was always a way to appeal to them to inspire them to care about school in some fashion (trigger references to all those 90s-00s movies with the revolutionary teacher who takes a class full of misfits and makes them perform in school in order to qualify for the sports team, dance crew, etc)

She told me this latest class is different because no one cares at all. There's no appealing to them. Just a complete disregard for her as a person and as a supposed authority figure. She can't teach anything anymore because every little kid needs to be disciplined all day. Schooling has become corralling and dealing with kids that just don't want to be there.

Have believed for some time that mandatory public school was a mistake. Shove a diploma in everybody's hands and everything gets better, right? Nope.
 

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The problem with that is that everything IS handed to them.
True, which is beyond me. The generations that came before had to earn things so why the capitulation? Most likely the socialist leanings of educators as well as not wanting to deal with the parents who demand and bring lawyers to PTA meetings
 

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I was speaking with a friend's mother over Christmas; she's a school teacher, currently teaching ninth graders at a rather ghetto school (bless her soul...:sadwhy:)

She's been doing this for years, but she's been distinctly impressed over the last year or so that something has changed in these kids - they were often obstinate and disruptive, but there was always a way to appeal to them to inspire them to care about school in some fashion (trigger references to all those 90s-00s movies with the revolutionary teacher who takes a class full of misfits and makes them perform in school in order to qualify for the sports team, dance crew, etc)

She told me this latest class is different because no one cares at all. There's no appealing to them. Just a complete disregard for her as a person and as a supposed authority figure. She can't teach anything anymore because every little kid needs to be disciplined all day. Schooling has become corralling and dealing with kids that just don't want to be there.

Have believed for some time that mandatory public school was a mistake. Shove a diploma in everybody's hands and everything gets better, right? Nope.
I am in remote Indian schools regularly. They spend more time chasing messed up kids and putting the place on lockdown than teaching. I've seen 10 year olds and younger acting like shits and laughing at teachers with "you can't touch me"
 

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Corrollary: Just now on the radio, what-used-to-be a John Legend ballad came on. It was remixed to have the "bass, snare, bass, snare" drumbeat popular in dance music today. It was horrible. Kids today can't handle the theory behind a ballad (ie waiting for it to build up for more emotional impact), so everything gets stripped down, sterilized, and thrown onto the air with a dance groove.

The radio single, despite being rather obsolete itself, demonstrates how NOW this generation is. Trimming a 5 minutes song down to 2:30 and upping the tempo = the only way to sell it?
 

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I am in remote Indian schools regularly. They spend more time chasing messed up kids and putting the place on lockdown than teaching. I've seen 10 year olds and younger acting like shits and laughing at teachers with "you can't touch me"
I've long been in favor of bring back capital punishment in schools. Teachers aren't allowed to lay a hand on these kids now a days.
 

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School as a formal construct is becoming useless. Why do kids need to read shit from a book and listen to some dumb teacher drone on about history when every fact ever recorded by a human being is a google search away, often from a more reliable source and without the indoctrinating bullshit. I don't know what's wrong with kids these days but formal education is doing them no favours.
Socialization is important.
 
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