Obee City: Why so much fatness?

Is it too vague to say an unhealthy relationship with food?

As a dietician's son, and a person of decent education and upbringing, I am shocked to learn the inane beliefs that many still have over what passes as healthy or nutritious eating.

And then there is the emotional aspect. A healthy person will eat when hungry or at meal time. A fat person eats when:
  • happy
  • sad
  • tired
  • bored
  • stressed
  • watching television
  • alone
  • with friends
and so on with a bajillion emotional triggers. And it's almost always total junk food, because that is handy and convenient.

tl;dr fatties are ignorant and impulsive
 
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One McDonald's meal: 1477 calories. For reference, a 25 y.o. female, 5'4" & 110 pounds requires 1230 calories to maintain BMR while a 25 y.0. woman, 5'4" & 210 pounds requires 1685 calories. So this one meal represents 120% & 87.6% of the daily caloric intake for these two individuals respectively. This does not take exercise into account but the fatty ain't gonna be exercising!

Fat intake represents 136% of the RDA.

Now, for OfficePants OfficePants , look at the carbs & the sugar component of the carbs. Total carbs in this one meal is 60% of the RDA. Carbs are metabolized to SUGAR (e.g. glucose, which is required for running the machine but also contribute to fattiness). The SUGARS (glucose, fructose and all the other mono & disaccharides) and a huge culprit in determining if one becomes a bit tub of goo is 76.1 grams which represents 84.5% of the SUGARS RDA (90g).

Couple that with Russell Street Russell Street 's point about fatties eating because of their emotional state the answer is quite clear:

Excess calories - makes ya fat

Excess fat - makes ya fat

Excess carbs - makes ya fat

Excess SUGARS - makes ya fat

Excess convenience/processed foods - makes ya fat (see above)

Sedentary lifestyle.

Hummingbirds flap their fucking wings at a crazy rate while sipping delicately as opposed to hogging down plates of hot wings dipped in Ranch dressing.
 
I have been telling a heavy gal I know that fast food, and really most restaurant food, is not her friend, so I have nothing to quibble with here.

Restaurant portions are generally huge, and the food is rich. Even supposedly healthy places aim for taste, and that means lots of sugar, salt, and fat. If you condition yourself to regularly intake that much, you grow outward and get unhealthy.

I'm by no means some health nut. But I have had a fairly consistent weight for half my weight through very little action beyond not overeating. I hate to say it's that simple as I'd love to lay complicity on everything from HFCS to air conditioning. But I have yet to see the heavy person that displays proper eating in terms of portion and nutrition.
 
Russell Street said:
I have been telling a heavy gal I know that fast food, and really most restaurant food, is not her friend, so I have nothing to quibble with here.

Restaurant portions are generally huge, and the food is rich. Even supposedly healthy places aim for taste, and that means lots of sugar, salt, and fat. If you condition yourself to regularly intake that much, you grow outward and get unhealthy.

I'm by no means some health nut. But I have had a fairly consistent weight for half my weight through very little action beyond not overeating. I hate to say it's that simple as I'd love to lay complicity on everything from HFCS to air conditioning. But I have yet to see the heavy person that displays proper eating in terms of portion and nutrition.
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You can eat meager portions, but if you consume too much sugar, you're going to get fat.

The ones that really balloon fast are the high sugar and high volume eaters.

Non-fast food restaurants are generally not your friend. Places like the Cheesecake Factory and PF Changs have enough food on that plate for 2. They do it intentionally, as a value proposition. Many eaters, especially already fat ones, gravitate towards these large portion types of restaurants. I had the misfortune to eat at a C Factory earlier this month, I swear the appetizer was a full meal on its own.
 
Yup, this is why I say proper eating. There are kooks that will eat double the necessary calories via salad and carrot sticks, and kooks that will barely eat enough, but eat un-nourishing junk. The holistic approach of reasonably balanced meals of sustainable size seems elusive to many.
I truly hate most restaurants, as I find myself sounding like some wussy declining soft drinks, deserts, and uttering what must sound like humble brags about not being able to finish most dishes on the menu. Appetizers are similarly lost on me. And I am not a leftover type...
 
Diabeetus and fatness seem to be a bit chicken and egg. Well, Type 2, aka adult onset. My understanding is that
Diabeetus, also known as sugar leg, is a deadly disease that you contract when you eat a lifetime's worth of yummy snacks in 10 minutes
https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Diabeetus​
but some fatties claim they are fat because of diabeetus and not vice versa.
 
I've eaten cakes so good that I swore they gave me diabeetus in a single sitting before.
 
Russell Street said:
Diabeetus and fatness seem to be a bit chicken and egg. Well, Type 2, aka adult onset. My understanding is that
Diabeetus, also known as sugar leg, is a deadly disease that you contract when you eat a lifetime's worth of yummy snacks in 10 minutes
https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Diabeetus​
but some fatties claim they are fat because of diabeetus and not vice versa.
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Non-insulin dependent Diabeetus is controlled via diet and surprise surprise, when the diet changes fatties weight goes down
 
Eating decently is mind boggling easy. We have such ingrained cultural walls put up though, that many people just can't break through them. Unfortunately, the patterns set in childhood can be nigh on impossible for some folks to overcome as well. I count myself fortunate that my mom was very proactive on nutrition when I was young. We never had soda or candy or chips just laying around the house, and consequently I have never been a big consumer of those things. My cousins who are my age are just the opposite, compulsive soda drinkers to this day.

There's also the industrial food economy that exists in North America which is a huge separate conversation.

It's not complex, eat a balanced diet of proper proportions and you will not be obese unless you have a genetic issue (which is rare).
 
we are just being too hard on people. It must be genetic

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http://www.returnofkings.com/18173/5-reasons-fat-people-are-evil

5 Reasons Fat People Are Evil
By 2Wycked



  • America continues its glorious descent into the hell that was foretold by our Puritan forefathers. A rapidly increasing piece of the populace threatens the delicate social order of America: fat people. Fat people sometimes go by ‘fatties,’ ‘fatasses’ or ‘gluttons,’ whose putrid and unsightly waistlines will taste the cleansing fires of Hell. Regardless, they highlight some dark and horrific realities about America.

    1. Fatties Only Give A Shit About Themselves


    Fat people are all self-absorbed assholes. Like an alcoholic, all they care about is the next slice of double stuffed crust pizza cruising down the conveyor belt. Instead of craving the high of drunkenness, they lust for the rush of harmful nutrition.

    Woe is he who decides to be a part of a fattie’s life; he will always come second to her desire for the next piece of fried chicken. To them, you don’t have needs, you exist to make sure she gets her Whopper fresh. Sure, she feigns gratitude when you bring her burger and fries, but beware: when the high wears off, she will target you. All that matters to her is constantly eating. They hate Paleo diets and abhor vegetarianism. Their supreme desire to consume their world represents their inability to improve.

    2. Fatties Don’t Give A Shit About Their Appearance


    Consider the depressing blog People of Walmart. Walmart isn’t just representative of our mindless consumerist society or the entrenchment of corporations as the ultimate authority figures in America. It also shows how far the average American has fallen. People used to care about their appearance because they cared about society around them and their contribution to it.

    No more. Fatties roam the aisles of Walmart, armed with obesity-induced rage, and a wardrobe that reflects a person half their size. Their unwashed ass-cracks hang out at every other free food stand, their cellulite is disgustingly on display in the frozen pizza aisle and their guts hang over the check-out aisle because they are too fucking lazy to self check-out.

    3. Fatties Are Often Feminists


    Considering how self-absorbed feminists are, it only makes sense for them and fatties to unite. This often takes the form of “fat acceptance,” which is always couched in feminism, which means it is meaningless. It claims people are not responsible for their personal choices, that other people exist to validate them or mollify their self-hatred as it inevitably bubbles up when McDonald’s runs out of nuggets. Their feminism is simple extension—others exist to maintain their personal emotional state. And that state is never your responsibility. It was the gift of fatphobic patriarchy that privileges those who care about themselves over those who want to waste away in a fat-encased shell of a human body.

    4. Fatties Smell Horrible


    Studies have conclusively proven that fat people are the cause of global warming. In order to understand this mind-blowing epiphany, understand that fatties have a difficult times processing the livestock feed they slip down their gullets. When food hits their intestines, their body has no option but to expel the waste as gas. As such, unbelievable levels of methane and other dangerous gasses are emitted through their distressed and overworked anuses. These released gasses have contributed greatly to man-made global warming.

    Even if you don’t believe in global warming, understand that that foul smell you encounter on the streets of America is a direct result of fat people. Since their bodies can’t handle the feed they force into their mouths, they expel offensive and putrid scents. The next time you encounter a foul smell, blame the nearest fatty. Or knock the drumstick out of their hand. Either way, you are doing the Lord’s work.

    5. Fatties Are Creepy As Fuck


    Face it, fat people are creepy as fuck. Their self-hatred makes you pity them and their poor nutritional understanding makes you feel bad. Fat women are worse. You can see the look in their eyes, the dead look of a person long-past caring about themselves, motivated only by the fleeting, short-term thrills of bingeing on unhealthy foods. They pretend their “curves”—which is really just one, expansive bowling-ball of flesh—are sexy to men. Of course, they refuse to date or have sex with fat men, as those people are disgusting, but men should and need to find them attractive. They creepily stalk men online and in real life, pretending nobody notices their geological impact. Healthy people avert their gaze from the afflicted and proceed without noting their existence. All this blatant self-hatred reeks of an emotional life not lived.

    In sum, fat people are evil personified. Their self-possession is borne of self-hatred, and it’s perpetuated by their desire to destroy their bodies with the widest spectrum of unhealthy foods. Don’t try to help them – they want you to worship them or hate them. If you want them to improve, ignore them. They will either slip into depression or lash out violently. Either way, you expose them for who they are: tyrants with a chili dog in one hand and a Diet Coke in the other.

 
Russell Street said:
So the blameless fatties are the thyroid issue ones, which are how small of a percentage?
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I don't even know if that's true. How many wild animals do you see obese? I don't know enough about it, but why aren't there thyroid issues in the animal kingdom?
 
Well, I suspect that survival of the fittest weeds out most unhealthy wild animals. But I'm seriously asking if there is any legitimate medical cause for obesity beyond behavioral stuff already mentioned.
My understanding is that in ~97% of cases, there is absolutely no underlying medical condition.
 
The % of fatties whose condition is due to an underlying physiological condition is very small.
 
I'd estimate probably 2-3%, but I really would need medical stats to make any sort of informed opinion.
 
I heard some chef on NPR talking about quality food. He wasn't even talking fresh produce, he was all heritage seeds and organically slow grown. Anyway, when asked about the affordability of it, he asked how crazy people at the dawn of the cell phone and internet and cable tv era would have thought it would be for us to pay what we do for all that. His point was that people find a way to buy what they consider important. The poors have money for all manner of electric devices and entertainment, but not for nutrition.
 
The article also mentions that weight will maintain that income gap. Being a fattie is an employment handicap. People (rightfully) suspect that maybe you're not so bright or energetic and disciplined if you're toting a big gut around. And you may take long lunch breaks and lots of sick days...
Anyway, I suspect that the lower class still isn't really embracing avoiding being a fatso. Paul Fussell noted that proles view their heft as a status symbol, and we all know that the black community (well, the underclass ones) think having a big fat ass is just the greatest thing ever.
Also, the stupid poors see brand name processed junk food as a status symbol... ever see one drinking bottled water? Fresh produce is generic and does not readily display spending power like that Big Gulp and Whopper. But also, it's laziness. Real that is not so pricey food requires preparation. Impulsive idiots will spend more to eat now.
 
The guy on NPR sounds like a myopic donkey. Inner cities are food deserts. Sure, lets go get some slow grown alfalfa sprouts and wheat grass next door the check cashing place.

The only fresh herb you'll see in an inner city is Oaxaca Gold. And that shit's imported.
 
You are right, it is not always that someone cannot afford good food, they choose to afford other things.

I'll have to dig the stats up but obesity in America does not follow social status in a direct manner. There are splits along gender lines. So there is blurring between poor and not poor.
 
OfficePants said:
Inner cities are food deserts. Sure, lets go get some slow grown alfalfa sprouts and wheat grass next door the check cashing place.
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Well, there are the urban farming hipsters, but that is admittedly intense. I realize there won't be any Whole Foods in the ghetto, but the Asians in the inner city buy healthy food there. They prepare and cook it, they don't just tear the wrapper off something and begin ingesting on the way out the door.
 
Russell Street said:
Well, there are the urban farming hipsters, but that is admittedly intense. I realize there won't be any Whole Foods in the ghetto, but the Asians in the inner city buy healthy food there. They prepare and cook it, they don't just tear the wrapper off something and begin ingesting on the way out the door.
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First, they are raised with a proper food culture, second, Asians earn more than whites... hard to classify them as 'inner city'.
 
OfficePants said:
First, they are raised with a proper food culture, second, Asians earn more than whites... hard to classify them as 'inner city'.
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Have you been to a Chinatown? There actually are gritty city Asians and their crazy stores with dead ducks hanging in the window and all. I doubt it is much more expensive than the exorbitant bodega prices.
But the culture is the important thing. The underclass see food as something to taste yummy or make their belly stop grumbling. Health and nutrition are just not on their minds. Admittedly, if you are forced to buy at the farmer's co-op and the frou-frou natural foods store, you stand a better chance than if you stock up at the glorified Kwik-E-Mart.
 
Russell Street said:
Have you been to a Chinatown? There actually are gritty city Asians and their crazy stores with dead ducks hanging in the window and all. I doubt it is much more expensive than the exorbitant bodega prices.
But the culture is the important thing. The underclass see food as something to taste yummy or make their belly stop grumbling. Health and nutrition are just not on their minds. Admittedly, if you are forced to buy at the farmer's co-op and the frou-frou natural foods store, you stand a better chance than if you stock up at the glorified Kwik-E-Mart.
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Most ghetto don't cook. Catch 22, provide food to change the culture, create the demand and let the business come to inner cities. Most likely the latter.
 
One monumental issue I have seen personally is the change of diet of the rural poor. It used to be while everything was fried within in an inch of its life, the food was actually real. You had to grow your own stuff to live. The urban centers used to be the real struggle points, but it seems McDonald's culture is nationwide now.
 
doghouse said:
One monumental issue I have seen personally is the change of diet of the rural poor. It used to be while everything was fried within in an inch of its life, the food was actually real. You had to grow your own stuff to live. The urban centers used to be the real struggle points, but it seems McDonald's culture is nationwide now.
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It's not a huge difference. Perhaps some more preservatives, and sugar, but the fundamental gravitation towards unhealthy choices persists.
 
OfficePants said:
It's not a huge difference. Perhaps some more preservatives, and sugar, but the fundamental gravitation towards unhealthy choices persists.
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It's the biggest difference.

You could eat a bag of raw sugar on top of a deep fried stick of butter and it's better than preservatives. They are cancer in a wrapper.
 
doghouse said:
It's the biggest difference.

You could eat a bag of raw sugar on top of a deep fried stick of butter and it's better than preservatives. They are cancer in a wrapper.
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Strongly disagree. The sugar is doing immense damage to people's bodies.
 
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