On How The Planet's Going To Shit: The Undeniability Of Climate Change

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I didn't just read the internet, I went into the field and met the sovereigns and went to the courts to find out how things worked out and spoke to the prosecutor and heard the judge.
With respect, I strongly suspect that you misunderstood what happened in your friend's case. Obviously, I don't know the details of it but I can assure you that presenting your birth certificate and a "bill of exchange" that you printed up on your home computer simply won't work. Without going into details, I work in that sort of area and have dealt with sovereign citizens as part of my work and those tactics do not work.

We all make assumptions and, of course, we all prefer articles or bits of information that suits our worldview. That is why it is so important to question things and research widely.
 

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I understand that you look at communism as something bad because of your interest in a Chinese philosophy, and I know that particular movement that you are interested in publishes the Epoch Times, a newspaper that is very critical of communism.
communism represents massive corruption and mass murder of over 100 million people. It is the most evil thing this world has ever seen.
 
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With respect, I strongly suspect that you misunderstood what happened in your friend's case. Obviously, I don't know the details of it but I can assure you that presenting your birth certificate and a "bill of exchange" that you printed up on your home computer simply won't work. Without going into details, I work in that sort of area and have dealt with sovereign citizens as part of my work and those tactics do not work.
My experience tells me different. It did work. There was no suggestion about wiping the debt, it just went away. The judge handed it to the prosecutor and said something like "the defendant has offered payment, can you check that it is legal tender". Nothing else was said in the court about it after that. Obviously it was hush hush so the public didn't catch on.

You haven't experienced that, but some judges and prosecutors obviously have. Lets agree to disagree.
 
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In 2 weeks time the Dutch motorways have a blanket reduction in top speed from 130kph to 100kph. This is to meet EU Nitrogen omission targets. I guess closing down 51% of the livestock farms isn't going quick enough.

Interesting that the once proud and stubborn Dutch feel they must prostrate themselves before their EU masters whilst in Germany you can still drive as fast as you want on the autobahn and last week I was in France and at rush hour there's still excessive diesal cars on the road filling the air with soot particles and toxic fumes. The Dutch are also shutting down their brand new clean coal power stations on order of the highest court of the land, again Germany isn't doing this, far from it, they're revving-up their coal power stations. And biomass energy projects continue which are proven to be more polluting and environmentally unfriendly than clean coal power stations, but qualify for billions in subsidies.

When the Dutch finally wake-up to the fact they're getting shafted, as elsewhere, the liberal establishment better run for cover.

Meanwhile in Amsterdam, the right-on GreonLinks mayor, Femke Halsema, whilst successfully maneuvering with the police and judiciary to ensure her son isn't getting prosecuted for breaking and entering with a pistol, her husband looks likely to, as the gun was his and is illegal in the Netherlands. The word on the street is that the family is completely dysfunctional and emotionally austere. Hardly surprising, it comes with the embrace of watermelon politics and commie ideology. You're lecturing the Amsterdammers on green initiatives, toxic masculinity and woke policies, whilst your son is roaming the streets breaking and entering with your husband's illegal firearm. Just the type of hypocrisy one has come to expect from this kind of political and celebrity class.
 
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communism represents massive corruption and mass murder of over 100 million people. It is the most evil thing this world has ever seen.
I think that we can all agree that what happened under Stalin and Mao was terrible.

However, if you cannot understand that entering into some non-binding UN treaties does not equal communism, then we really have nothing to discuss, as we are talking at absolutely cross-purposes.

My experience tells me different. It did work. There was no suggestion about wiping the debt, it just went away. The judge handed it to the prosecutor and said something like "the defendant has offered payment, can you check that it is legal tender". Nothing else was said in the court about it after that. Obviously it was hush hush so the public didn't catch on.
Do you understand how unrealistic the last bit sounds?

I'm not a member of the public - I'm involved in the legal profession. I have dealt with sovereign citizens/freemen-on-the-land before, who have tried to fight government debts. It has never worked for them in the cases that I have handled. If there was some sort of secret strategy to permit sovereign citizens to win, but not to tell the general public about it, then I would need to know about it because, presumably, I would be expected to let them win by using it.

If there was some ability to use your birth certificate to access a large sum of cash through a legal manoeuvre, then I and others in the legal profession would know about it and would take advantage of it. I'd love to be able to cash in my birth certificate and pay off my mortgage!
 
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The word on the street is that the family is completely dysfunctional and emotionally austere. Hardly surprising, it comes with the embrace of watermelon politics and commie ideology.
Needless to say, hypocrisy is not restricted to "the left". Plenty of conservative politicians and religious people love to lecture about morals while they're having affairs, keeping mistresses, accepting bribes and so on.
 

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Needless to say, hypocrisy is not restricted to "the left". Plenty of conservative politicians and religious people love to lecture about morals while they're having affairs, keeping mistresses, accepting bribes and so on.
No, of course not. But now that the liberal Left are the Establishment they've embraced with relish and dare I say all the moral grandstanding they accused the old establishment of Toffs of having. But in the sentence you have quoted I was referring to the dour personalities of these types. Corbyn is a prime example, a man utterly sincere and earnest in his thoroughly rotten principles. Can you imagine an evening with these types, all full of moral conviction and rage, but lacking such qualities as empathy? It can only lead to a bad end.
 

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Dig this ''.....the cost of improving insulation and phasing out gas central heating and cooking will range from between €20,000 to over €30,000 per property.''


For average working class families, these are life changing costs and not in a good way.
 

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Dig this ''.....the cost of improving insulation and phasing out gas central heating and cooking will range from between €20,000 to over €30,000 per property.''


For average working class families, these are life changing costs and not in a good way.
Isn't the Dutch government spending money on higher dykes and other protection of their land?
I mean with climate change, global warming and massive predicted flooding isn't that what they should do?

With regards to treaties: Many globalist leaders have signed agreements on climate, human rights, refugees and such that are on the surface not officially binding. In all cases without consulting their nations population.
The UN is just a higher level EU style organisation, dominated by the US and it's allies.
And just have a look who funded Couldenhove-Kalergi and his crazy vision of a mixed race Europe, have a look at the people who profited massively from all the wars in Europe and around the world and it becomes clear that there is a small group of people who control the world with money (IMF and the banking system in general), media outlets, bought politicians and the armies of various nations. All just concerned citizens, I guess.
The actual climate change debate is a complete scam and the consensus among scientists is not at all as big as the media outlets try to tell us.
Western Europe has probably the best environmental protection laws on the planet and our CO2 output is just a fraction of other countries like China, India and the US. And yet it is here where climate change activists decide to make a stand? Not in China, India, the US (I know they try hard there but struggle!) or perhaps in Africa?
"Thanks" to Greta and her bratty little followers, Germany's government has just imposed a higher CO2 tax (by 150%), which makes electricity, fuel and life in general a lot more expensive.
 

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"Thanks" to Greta and her bratty little followers, Germany's government has just imposed a higher CO2 tax (by 150%), which makes electricity, fuel and life in general a lot more expensive.
IIRC Germany is planning to shut down all nuclear over fears of a Fukashima and will increase coal use? :jchan: Can any of you Euros confirm?

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IIRC Germany is planning to shut down all nuclear over fears of a Fukushima and will increase coal use? :jchan: Can any of you Euros confirm?
They are more likely to shut down both (and compensate the companies handsomely for it) and then buy electricity from some Eastern European place where nuclear power is cheap. Which the providers are already doing because the "green" energy supply is not reliable.
You would think that any smart government had an interest in being as autonomous as possible when it comes to key sectors like power, food and water. But apparently not, at least not in Germany.
 

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Do you understand how unrealistic the last bit sounds?
It's not unrealistic because that is exactly how it happened. The court realised he was one of the people who had real knowledge and they dealt with it quietly. They certainly were not going to broadcast such things. The way the judge and prosecutor acted said a lot.

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I'm not a member of the public - I'm involved in the legal profession. I have dealt with sovereign citizens/freemen-on-the-land before, who have tried to fight government debts. It has never worked for them in the cases that I have handled. If there was some sort of secret strategy to permit sovereign citizens to win, but not to tell the general public about it, then I would need to know about it because, presumably, I would be expected to let them win by using it.

If there was some ability to use your birth certificate to access a large sum of cash through a legal manoeuvre, then I and others in the legal profession would know about it and would take advantage of it. I'd love to be able to cash in my birth certificate and pay off my mortgage!
I know plenty of sovereign citizens who it has never worked for either, but the fellow l knew was an exception. He had good knowledge, and maybe it explains why you have no knowledge of it, you had not come across the real thing before. I am sure not all court people will know, but that particular court had a few s.c who got away with things there. The court people there obviously had knowledge of these things happening before. In other courts they may not have come across that type of thing, and by the sounds of it you haven't either.

If you don't believe it, so be it!
 
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However, if you cannot understand that entering into some non-binding UN treaties does not equal communism, then we really have nothing to discuss, as we are talking at absolutely cross-purposes.
I am not talking about non binding agreements. I am talking about countries being pressured to enter into binding agreements, eg, Australia signs up the the non binding Paris Agreement, but soon there is pressure to enter into a binding Paris Agreement. This is what is supposed to be happening now, the U.N wants countries to take it a step further with binding obligations. See what l am talking about?
 

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IIRC Germany is planning to shut down all nuclear over fears of a Fukashima and will increase coal use? :jchan: Can any of you Euros confirm?
Yes, they're well on the way with all that. They're also building a massive new terminal in Greifswald to accommodate all the natural gas from Russia.
 

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On a lighter note, here's the drab and joyless face of Extinction Rebellion who have a problem with London's Fashion Week and fashion in general:

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On a lighter note, here's the drab and joyless face of Extinction Rebellion who have a problem with London's Fashion Week and fashion in general:

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To be fair, they do have a point there. The fashion industry is a big contributor to environmental pollution due to manufacturing in the cheapest places and shipping materials and products around the world.
However I don't see the FFF kids wearing self made, recycled clothes or refusing to use their phones...
 

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“We've done in a little more than 50 years what the Earth naturally took 10,000 years to do.”
A stark warning: ''signifying that for every 1 million molecules of gas in the atmosphere, 417 are carbon dioxide'' oh, wait!

Pump it up to 1000ppm and you'll increase your crop yields by 60%.

In the history of earth, we are currently at one of the lowest concentrations of carbon dioxide.
 

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A stark warning: ''signifying that for every 1 million molecules of gas in the atmosphere, 417 are carbon dioxide'' oh, wait!

Pump it up to 1000ppm and you'll increase your crop yields by 60%.

In the history of earth, we are currently at one of the lowest concentrations of carbon dioxide.
Great that crops will yield more when theyre under water or on fire.
 

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Freeman Dyson:
  • My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models. Of course, they say, I have no degree in meteorology and I am therefore not qualified to speak. But I have studied the climate models and I know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in. The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand.It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their own models.
  • All the books that I have seen about the science and the economics of global warming, including the two books under review, miss the main point. The main point is religious rather than scientific. There is a worldwide secular religion which we may call environmentalism, holding that we are stewards of the earth, that despoiling the planet with waste products of our luxurious living is a sin, and that the path of righteousness is to live as frugally as possible. … Environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion.
  • I believe global warming is grossly exaggerated as a problem. It's a real problem, but it's nothing like as serious as people are led to believe. The idea that global warming is the most important problem facing the world is total nonsense and is doing a lot of harm. It distracts people's attention from much more serious problems.
Like deadly SARS like viruses that could become a pandemic.
 

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i have. with some spice they make a surprisingly decent snack.
+1. Insects are a pretty popular snack in certain parts of Japan. My mother-in-law makes a traditional dish from Tochigi out of locusts and they can be tasty.

However, I draw the line at deep-fried tarantula from Cambodia.
 

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fewer humans. Better air quality.
Odd weather here for the season, clear blue sky days and little wind, for several days now. Very cold for the beginning of spring. Wonderful orange sunsets and twilight, next to no planes in the sky.

When this is over, I wager there won't be any money for subsidizing offshore wind farms and the mission to get rid of half of our live stock farms to meet EU nitrogen targets will have evaporated. We're going to need cheap and effective energy and all the resources of the nation to stave off a depression. The Dutch government forecast up to 9% shrinkage in the GDP by 2021, the last crisis was only 3% and that was grim.
 

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Very fake news indeed, pushing the activist judges as above Parliament:

 

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''Only 2% of Chinese people are in the top global 5% of users, and just 0.02% of people in India.'' But Sir, size of populations, no?

If you travel to China and India, you will experience the horrendous pollution at first hand. The research is clearly flawed, or maybe, environmental degradation is not considered.
 

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''Only 2% of Chinese people are in the top global 5% of users, and just 0.02% of people in India.'' But Sir, size of populations, no?

If you travel to China and India, you will experience the horrendous pollution at first hand. The research is clearly flawed, or maybe, environmental degradation is not considered.
the article focuses on consumption. the poor in those countries, even in their overwhelming mass of numbers, still consume far far less than the wealthy.
 

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the article focuses on consumption. the poor in those countries, even in their overwhelming mass of numbers, still consume far far less than the wealthy.
Well, if you look at people like us - middle class in first-world countries - we're wealthy compared to the vast majority of people.

There are approximately 7.8 billion people in this world and yet there are probably just a couple of hundred million, maybe less, who are as wealthy as are we and who have the comfortable, consumption-heavy lifestyles that we do. The reality is that only two or three percent of the total population of the world live as we do, but we consume an enormous amount per capita compared to the vast majority.

After I finished university, I spent about eight months backpacking through Asia, starting in Indonesia, visiting Timor (then a colony of Indonesia), Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and a few other countries. For the vast majority in those countries, to be able to visit another area of the same country was inconceivable, let alone being able to take a holiday and travel for months on end, flying by plane, travelling by boat and so on. My boots cost the equivalent of half a year's wages or more for an average Indonesian, and my backpack was the same. Most people I met simply had no conception of how wealthy I was, relative to them. They couldn't conceive of the possibility that I was walking around in the equivalent of a year's earnings. I kept on thinking that if these people really understood the situation, they'd probably kill me and all of the other backpackers wandering around the country as they'd be so outraged by the situation.
 

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Thank God we just shut everything down.
 
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