On How The Planet's Going To Shit: The Undeniability Of Climate Change

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With regards to wind power. You can make the technology as efficient as you want, it won't matter, if the wind isn't blowing.

Lol the author is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. Why dont you just source talking points from KSA while you're at it?
 

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Lol the author is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. Why dont you just source talking points from KSA while you're at it?

Doesn't matter where they're a senior fellow at, what matters is if they are correct or not.

You keep repeating this same logical fallacy over, and over again.
 

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Doesn't matter where they're a senior fellow at, what matters is if they are correct or not.

You keep repeating this same logical fallacy over, and over again.
no, no that's not all that matters at all. why is it you find my logical fallacies to be wrong when you just spout the same dumb statements over and over again? doesn't that make you just as blinkered as i am in this example?
 

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no, no that's not all that matters at all. why is it you find my logical fallacies to be wrong when you just spout the same dumb statements over and over again? doesn't that make you just as blinkered as i am in this example?

There is NOTHING is that link that is controversial, NOTHING. If you knew anything about energy generation (I do) you would know that. But you don't. And because you don't know anything about it and can't comment on it in any meaningful way, you attack the source.

It doesn't fucking matter who you work for, it doesn't fucking matter who funds your work. What matters, what always matters, is whether or not you are correct. The facts off the matter will out.

The historian Richard Hofstadtler wrote a book 50 odd years ago about the paranoid style of American politics...Aye!!
 

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There is NOTHING is that link that is controversial, NOTHING.
That is a complete and total lie


If you knew anything about energy generation (I do) you would know that. But you don't. And because you don't know anything about it and can't comment on it in any meaningful way, you attack the source.
Im not just attacking the source but the entire premise. And if you, with ALL of your supposed knowledge, cant grasp the very basic idea that the authors financial and political incentives could color the article's premise in any way makes me think you're even more full of shit that you appear online. Hell even Pimpernel Smith Pimpernel Smith gets this basic idea.
It doesn't fucking matter who you work for, it doesn't fucking matter who funds your work. What matters, what always matters, is whether or not you are correct. The facts off the matter will out.
This is just so ideologically insane. Honestly, I want some of the drugs youre on.
 

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That is a complete and total lie



Im not just attacking the source but the entire premise. And if you, with ALL of your supposed knowledge, cant grasp the very basic idea that the authors financial and political incentives could color the article's premise in any way makes me think you're even more full of shit that you appear online. Hell even Pimpernel Smith Pimpernel Smith gets this basic idea.

This is just so ideologically insane. Honestly, I want some of the drugs youre on.

Do you know what a ad hominem argument is?

'Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. [...]' (emphasis mine)

What matters is whether or not the argument, or point is is correct or not. Now if someone is lying, spinning, bullshitting or whatever, then what they are saying is incorrect (its not truthful, it is wrong) and that deception will be exposed by fact checking. The truth will out.

My point isn't whether or not someone can be deceitful (of course they can) its whether or not they are being deceitful.

This is fundamental.
 
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The truth will out.
no, no it wont. by what magic will this come about? unless you're able to properly read through the bullshit then you aren't able to dissect arguments by these think tank ghouls.

My point isn't whether or not someone can be deceitful (of course they can) its whether or not they are being deceitful.
and my point is that an article in forbes by a think tank ghoul is, by its very natures, meant to give the imprimateur of being truthful. if you're unable to read between the lines then that is ok, most people aren't. but you should always consider the source of the article and not whether their supposed arguments are constructed in a way to give the appearance of truth.
 

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no, no it wont. by what magic will this come about? unless you're able to properly read through the bullshit then you aren't able to dissect arguments by these think tank ghouls.


and my point is that an article in forbes by a think tank ghoul is, by its very natures, meant to give the imprimateur of being truthful. if you're unable to read between the lines then that is ok, most people aren't. but you should always consider the source of the article and not whether their supposed arguments are constructed in a way to give the appearance of truth.

Again, what matters is whether or not something is correct. You're adopting the mind set of a conspiracy theorist.

If someone proffers an argument, fact check and rebut. If you don't, and you rely on ad-hom attacks this will be pointed out to you and you will lose credibility, and then the bullshitters will get away with bullshitting by accusing you have have no credible arguments.

This is an example of your line of argument:

Me: "Why am I wrong?"

You: "because you work for so and so"

Me: "Yes I know, but tell me why what I wrote is wrong?"

You: "because you have to read between the lines"

Me: "Tell me why what I wrote is wrong?"

and so on...

This is one of the reasons the Left keeps losing, it refuses to deal with the substance of arguments, playing the man, rather than the ball.
 

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Via Kottke. https://kottke.org/20/12/the-rapidly-falling-cost-of-solar-energy-visualized
 

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It looks good and certainly there's been improvements. But are government subsidies built into that?

The language of renewables is crouched in obfuscation, smoke and mirrors. I normally attend the offshore energy conference and exhibition in Amsterdam. In the last 5 years it's moved from oil & gas to being focused on offshore windfarms and is a much smaller event. The publicity brochure and daily news over the conference tends to have lots of articles on the danger of ''auctions'' which were all coming into play in the early 2020s and in India earlier.

The auctions are when the renewables have to bid without subsidies on a level playing field against traditional power plants. They were all of the position it cannot be done without subsidies and without policies weighted in favor of the intermittent energy of windfarms.
 

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My understanding is of that market is, that in the new (larger than before) contracts, subsidies are moving in the direction of small to none.
 

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not climate change related but you had to imagine this was going to be bad at some point


They're also recommending us in urban cities to ditch public transit and drive cars - preferably one person per car to minimize viral transmission. I thought the same science community told us the opposite a year ago.
 

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The world needs more grandmas. Mine absolutely refuses to throw leftovers away. She'll eat the same ones for a week or more. Even if it looks like mashed baby food. And she regularly gifts out all packaged foods that will be expiring a few months before to whoever shows up at her door, deliveryman, exterminator, super, or the next door neighbor passing by.
 

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The world needs more grandmas. Mine absolutely refuses to throw leftovers away. She'll eat the same ones for a week or more. Even if it looks like mashed baby food.

My parents were the same, and my wife is the very similar. Absolutely hated waste.

A lot of food waste, though, is not individual but institutional. Supermarket chains insist on particular appearances for their fruit and veg, for example, and if it doesn't look good, it's not acceptable. Of course, some of that rejected fruit and veg can be used in pre-prepared food but our preference for "perfect" fruit and veg causes a lot of waste.
 

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which dumb asshole will come say that waiting a decade for a nuclear plant to be built is the way to go still?
 

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Nuclear energy is clean energy.
until something bad happens. and after you wait 10 years to get a plant built and spend the untold billions getting the thing constructed.
 

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Nuclear energy is clean energy.

It's only clean if you ignore the nuclear waste, and the absolutely enormous cost and time spent in decommissioning old plants.

Plus, of course, if something goes wrong the results can be literally catastrophic.
 

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As part of the energy transition, I see that Canada is looking to use small scale nuclear reactors to power towns.
well they bloody better hurry. Supreme Court just found the carbon tax pricing to be constitutional.

 

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well they bloody better hurry. Supreme Court just found the carbon tax pricing to be constitutional.

The carbon taxes are ramping-up everywhere in the west and will lead to fuel poverty and price hikes. They know this and need a compliant beaten populance ready to accept the great reset vision of the masses restricted and living expensive, yet diminished lives in a post-fossil fuel reality.

If it was self-evident that renewables were better and we could build back better with them, you wouldn't need to artificially make current energy sources and industries too expensive to operate. An energy revolution is not a revolution if it is less efficient and more costly than the one it replaces. Someone is going to have to pay.

The only hope is nuclear and blue hydrogen if they we get that technology to work. Otherwise only the very rich will own cars and get to travel outside of their 15 minute Soviet style city. And as for air travel, forget it. You'll be riding on donkeys post-Soviet style.

Covid lockdowns have given us a taste of what is to come. As Douglas Murray warned the lockdowns may only prove to be the prelude of the loss of our freedoms as we move into eco and bio-tyranny.
 
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