On How The Planet's Going To Shit: The Undeniability Of Climate Change

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precisely what you want to hear about your crops...

haven't noticed many posts about how wonderful the weather is lately and how gas is going to save us all from the evils of expensive wind power Pimpernel Smith Pimpernel Smith . no interest in the ocean being on fire???
 

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Where exactly is the ocean on fire?

Gulf of Mexico. Literally on fire.

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I can even link you to The Sun, so you feel more comfortable with the source:

 

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Gulf of Mexico. Literally on fire.

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I can even link you to The Sun, so you feel more comfortable with the source:

Hardly the ocean on fire, that's a pipe leak, from a nationalised oil company. No capitalism going on there.

I prefer The Sun to Clown News Network with it's million viewers. There's commentators working from their basement and mock studios in their kitchens with larger audiences. And before you go further, journalism is not a protected profession with a competency barrier to entry. Which explains the substandard sensationalist dribble we see on climate change, or should we state the planned gentle segue from Covid hysteria to Climate Emergency panic.
 
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That's what's known in the industry as a localized incident. Brought under control and the ocean was not in danger of burning out of control.

And all these localized incidents are awesome for the environment, correct? Let’s have more of them, yeah?
 

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No, but they're no cause for panic and alarm and they're not turning the ocean into a petrified dish of burnt fish.


Oh, totally. Who needs fish and biodiversity anyway.
 

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Oh, totally. Who needs fish and biodiversity anyway.
What has damaged fish stocks the most, is over fishing with industrialised trawling.
 

belinmad

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What has damaged fish stocks the most, is over fishing with industrialised trawling.

please, please try to not move the conversation to on of your rabbit holes, for once.

these isolated incidents, as you call them, and the industry that causes them, are bad for the environment. For sure there are other negative factors, which doesn’t negate the above fact.
 

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please, please try to not move the conversation to on of your rabbit holes, for once.

these isolated incidents, as you call them, and the industry that causes them, are bad for the environment. For sure there are other negative factors, which doesn’t negate the above fact.
That localised incident will not impact the environment in any significant manner. The ocean will more than recover.

The damage caused by heavy industrialised trawling takes the ocean decades to recover from. Philippe Cousteau Jnr has said the Mediterranean is essentially dead, he wasn't referring to the effects of the oil & gas industry.
 

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That localised incident will not impact the environment in any significant manner. The ocean will more than recover.

The damage caused by heavy industrialised trawling takes the ocean decades to recover from. Philippe Cousteau Jnr has said the Mediterranean is essentially dead, he wasn't referring to the effects of the oil & gas industry.
You know it’s strange, when I think of the substance that powers these giant trawlers to fish, the trucks to haul and refrigerate those fish, the planes to fly the fish around the world to eat, the factories that pump out the fish products for consumers, all these things must be powered by a single common denominator. I can’t really think of the reason though….

more the economic system that this unstable activity is built upon.
 

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You know it’s strange, when I think of the substance that powers these giant trawlers to fish, the trucks to haul and refrigerate those fish, the planes to fly the fish around the world to eat, the factories that pump out the fish products for consumers, all these things must be powered by a single common denominator. I can’t really think of the reason though….

more the economic system that this unstable activity is built upon.
So where will you be getting your foodstuff from when fossil fuels are banned? Not to mention fertilizer, foreign goods, plastics, some pharmaceutical good etc, etc.

Or will everything come from offshore windfarms which also pollute, effect weather and impact the environment. Not to mention that the blades are made from hydrocarbons, highly toxic and acidic, and cannot be recycled.

As Mark Carney states in his new book: the lifestyle, expectations and quality of life of the middle and working classes must be drastically reduced to accommodate the mission of the Climate Emergency. Note: no reduction for the technocratic elite.
 

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So where will you be getting your foodstuff from when fossil fuels are banned? Not to mention fertilizer, foreign goods, plastics, some pharmaceutical good etc, etc.

Or will everything come from offshore windfarms which also pollute, effect weather and impact the environment. Not to mention that the blades are made from hydrocarbons, highly toxic and acidic, and cannot be recycled.

As Mark Carney states in his new book: the lifestyle, expectations and quality of life of the middle and working classes must be drastically reduced to accommodate the mission of the Climate Emergency. Note: no reduction for the technocratic elite.
First of all mark carney is an imbecile. Stop referencing him like he’s Karl Marx. Secondly, yes, we need drastic reductions in ALL walks of life, but none more so than the rich. Things have to change now. The Paris accord was a failure with no enforcement. We’re well past the point of no return. Now it’s just going to be about mitigating the long term life altering damage.

As for your other questions obviously we can’t quit gas cold turkey but given 5-10 years we easily could with a slow phaseout. In that time trillions could be spent on coming up with solutions. Sadly, our technocratic elite don’t want that. They’re busy trying to get off planet after fucking this place up so badly they’re running for the exits.
 

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First of all mark carney is an imbecile. Stop referencing him like he’s Karl Marx. Secondly, yes, we need drastic reductions in ALL walks of life, but none more so than the rich. Things have to change now. The Paris accord was a failure with no enforcement. We’re well past the point of no return. Now it’s just going to be about mitigating the long term life altering damage.

As for your other questions obviously we can’t quit gas cold turkey but given 5-10 years we easily could with a slow phaseout. In that time trillions could be spent on coming up with solutions. Sadly, our technocratic elite don’t want that. They’re busy trying to get off planet after fucking this place up so badly they’re running for the exits.
Well, Mark Carney may, or may not, be an imbecile, but he's an influential one and that I think is Pimpsta's point.
 

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Well, Mark Carney may, or may not, be an imbecile, but he's an influential one and that I think is Pimpsta's point.
which is the wrong thing to focus on. but that's pimpy's milieu.
 
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