Staying Dry in the Wet

Thruth

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It has been rainy for a number of days with some good downpours, so I cycled through my "waterproof" outerwear depending on the forecast and my whims vs needs. I'm too lazy to take pics.

I'll start with coats for the classic menswear crowd.

Schneider's Salzburg GoreTex overcoat. Knee-length, 2-layer pac-lite, taped seams. Keeps you really dry for prolonged periods. As long as the DWR is up to snuff, it won't wet out for as long as you need it. Lighter GoreTex means it wears cooler. Way too big for me now. Shame.
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Mackintosh rubberized cotton overcoat knee length. Now this is a raincoat. Go sing in the rain. It doesn't even pretend to breathe except for the puny armpit vents. But it is light. Alas, too big as well.
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Aspesi PU coated trench. Water-resistant and not much more. Meh.
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14 year-old Loro Piana nylon-poly, wool lined storm system car coat. Bulletproof. Wish I could find a similar one.
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Bridge and Burn waxed parka. Robust hood, heavier weight than Barbour waxed cotton. Pile lined. The wax is in excellent shape so this resists rain quite well. Not a light coat. Fits well over a jacket. Rarely wore it.
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Casual

Barbour Sapper. my favourite standard Barbour and Fall jacket because of the design; the funnel neck is protective and it has poly insulation making it a more robust jacket even though it has lightweight waxed cotton. Takes a long time to wet through and then take as long time to leak because it has to get through the insulation. The nylon hood is useless. I might look for a Winter Sapper, which has more insulation to extend its range and a solid detachable hood. Not a sustained downpour jacket.

Filson Tin Cloth by comparison is waterproof in sustained downpours. but it is heavy and stiff as fuck. You have to drive over it to soften it up.
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Barbour Moorland, is a better Beaufort decent with a heavier wax. Good for drizzles and showers but not a sustained downpour jacket.

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Arc'teryx Alpha 2-layer pac-lite anorak. Minimal but super effective. Still, all waterproof-breathable lose the ability to breathe when the outer fabric wets out and you get wet from condensation and not rain drops.
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Triple Aught Design (TAD) Gear. Schoeller C-Change fabric. Swells and opens with temperature and moisture, like an acorn. Super waterproof and windproof. Unlined, heat taped seams. Not warm so you need to layer beneath in cold. Hard to find jackets made with it outside of motorcycle weather suits. You can see who that irritating Bearskin hoody outfit ripped off.
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Ventile/EtaProof

Ventile is interesting. It does swell and resist water. It beads and sheds because it has DWR. You need double layer and taped seams to approach waterproof. But single layer is shower and windproof. I find it better for wet snow than rain.

Maharishi Ventile shooting jacket. Just a great casual jacket that happens to be Ventile. Showerproof.
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I wore this Wings+Horns Japanese (Daewoo) Ventile down jacket for 2 hours in steady rain. It kept me reasonably dry. Did not ruin the down either.
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Klattermusenn Einride in EtaProof. Same like Ventile. Good hood means you can stay out longer.
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Norse Projects Elka. PVC. 100% waterproof. Can be a sauna suit in warmer weather.
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Bergan's of Norway Epic cotton anorak. Epic is silicone impregnated woven fabric. You'll be wet in 20 minutes in a steady rain unsheltered. I find it a better outer layer for wet snow.
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For transition seasons, I love my Dubarry Carrickfergus. More tailored cut than most of the Barbours, light lining in it. All around winner.

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Great Rain Daddy post!

I’m not out in the elements for long these days and if I am, it’s just as likely to be in the middle of summer when greeting wet is a nuisance at worst.

I didn’t know about the winter Sapper - that’s really cool. That’s my biggest issue with most Barbour jackets, not having a built-in hood (I’ve got a detachable hood for my Beaufort, but it isn’t great).

I have an ADF goretex parka that I’d wear if keeping dry was a priority, but otherwise I’m not into wearing camouflage stuff. The vintage Beaufort I have now is fine for short walks through the rain. I’ve also sprayed the shoulders of my Harrington jackets with scotchgaurd to make them a little resistant.
 
14 year-old Loro Piana nylon-poly, wool lined storm system car coat. Bulletproof. Wish I could find a similar one.
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I bought a length of storm system from Loro Piana and had a seamstress copy an old Spanish Teba, unlined.
Best quick-and-dirty waterproof coat I’ve ever had, highly recommend it.

Will post pictures of it when I get a chance, I was wearing it just last night.
 

For those more tech inclined
 
shite recommendations and nothing super technical except for the Beta.
I disagree on the rain aspect. I have a Marmot rain jacket and it’s bulletproof. If you keep up the coating it’ll keep you dry as a bone. Obviously, none of them are sleek or attractive.
 
I bought a length of storm system from Loro Piana and had a seamstress copy an old Spanish Teba, unlined.
Best quick-and-dirty waterproof coat I’ve ever had, highly recommend it.

Will post pictures of it when I get a chance, I was wearing it just last night.

Here them pics. I lied. There’s some lining. I think we added it to prevent sweat build up on the back.


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I haven't seen anything in the past two decades that beats a good old Patagonia Torrentshell for just a rain jacket.
Their H2No 2 layer and 3 layer are solid and robust. Still a good value. I wish Mountain Hardwear still made Conduit SL. Great waterproof, breathes better than GoreTex and doesn't rustle like a garbage bag.
 
Lucky for you then, as I get to wear them and not you
i suppose so.

Their H2No 2 layer and 3 layer are solid and robust. Still a good value. I wish Mountain Hardwear still made Conduit SL. Great waterproof, breathes better than GoreTex and doesn't rustle like a garbage bag.
where do you find out about this shit? is there some kind of textile monthly that you're subscribed to???
 
i suppose so.


where do you find out about this shit? is there some kind of textile monthly that you're subscribed to???
I don't get text notifications but I do follow the industry. Plus experience. No different than knowing stuff about suiting fabrics.
 
Great Rain Daddy post!

I only have a couple of Burberry trench coats, but that being said, l am not a big rain daddy like Thruth Thruth and others here. What l really need to get is a casual rain coat that is versatile such as a Barbour, but l can never bring myself to buy such casual attire. I can get by with an umbrella and trench coat these days, but it would be nice to have something more low key for a change.
 
i suppose so.


where do you find out about this shit? is there some kind of textile monthly that you're subscribed to???

I don't get text notifications but I do follow the industry. Plus experience. No different than knowing stuff about suiting fabrics.

Yeah if you spend much time on the elements it behooves you to keep reasonably up on tech fabric.

A lot of stuff I use is from the marine industry which presents it's own challenges, salt can wreck a lot of membranes. Gore Pro is about the only thing that works.
 
It has been rainy for a number of days with some good downpours, so I cycled through my "waterproof" outerwear depending on the forecast and my whims vs needs. I'm too lazy to take pics.

I'll start with coats for the classic menswear crowd.

Schneider's Salzburg GoreTex overcoat. Knee-length, 2-layer pac-lite, taped seams. Keeps you really dry for prolonged periods. As long as the DWR is up to snuff, it won't wet out for as long as you need it. Lighter GoreTex means it wears cooler. Way too big for me now. Shame.
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Mackintosh rubberized cotton overcoat knee length. Now this is a raincoat. Go sing in the rain. It doesn't even pretend to breathe except for the puny armpit vents. But it is light. Alas, too big as well.
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Aspesi PU coated trench. Water-resistant and not much more. Meh.
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14 year-old Loro Piana nylon-poly, wool lined storm system car coat. Bulletproof. Wish I could find a similar one.
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Bridge and Burn waxed parka. Robust hood, heavier weight than Barbour waxed cotton. Pile lined. The wax is in excellent shape so this resists rain quite well. Not a light coat. Fits well over a jacket. Rarely wore it.
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Casual

Barbour Sapper. my favourite standard Barbour and Fall jacket because of the design; the funnel neck is protective and it has poly insulation making it a more robust jacket even though it has lightweight waxed cotton. Takes a long time to wet through and then take as long time to leak because it has to get through the insulation. The nylon hood is useless. I might look for a Winter Sapper, which has more insulation to extend its range and a solid detachable hood. Not a sustained downpour jacket.

Filson Tin Cloth by comparison is waterproof in sustained downpours. but it is heavy and stiff as fuck. You have to drive over it to soften it up.
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Barbour Moorland, is a better Beaufort decent with a heavier wax. Good for drizzles and showers but not a sustained downpour jacket.

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Arc'teryx Alpha 2-layer pac-lite anorak. Minimal but super effective. Still, all waterproof-breathable lose the ability to breathe when the outer fabric wets out and you get wet from condensation and not rain drops.
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Triple Aught Design (TAD) Gear. Schoeller C-Change fabric. Swells and opens with temperature and moisture, like an acorn. Super waterproof and windproof. Unlined, heat taped seams. Not warm so you need to layer beneath in cold. Hard to find jackets made with it outside of motorcycle weather suits. You can see who that irritating Bearskin hoody outfit ripped off.
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Ventile/EtaProof

Ventile is interesting. It does swell and resist water. It beads and sheds because it has DWR. You need double layer and taped seams to approach waterproof. But single layer is shower and windproof. I find it better for wet snow than rain.

Maharishi Ventile shooting jacket. Just a great casual jacket that happens to be Ventile. Showerproof.
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I wore this Wings+Horns Japanese (Daewoo) Ventile down jacket for 2 hours in steady rain. It kept me reasonably dry. Did not ruin the down either.
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Klattermusenn Einride in EtaProof. Same like Ventile. Good hood means you can stay out longer.
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Norse Projects Elka. PVC. 100% waterproof. Can be a sauna suit in warmer weather.
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Bergan's of Norway Epic cotton anorak. Epic is silicone impregnated woven fabric. You'll be wet in 20 minutes in a steady rain unsheltered. I find it a better outer layer for wet snow.
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Can you please do trousers as well? And maybe footwear, but most importantly trousers.
 
Their H2No 2 layer and 3 layer are solid and robust. Still a good value. I wish Mountain Hardwear still made Conduit SL. Great waterproof, breathes better than GoreTex and doesn't rustle like a garbage bag.

Is there something that is light, waterproof and somewhat breathable (or at least doesn’t turn you into a sweaty mess inside)? Or is this an utopia?
I’m cycled through a number of ponchos and outer shells for hiking and climbing and I haven’t found the right answer yet.
 
Is there something that is light, waterproof and somewhat breathable (or at least doesn’t turn you into a sweaty mess inside)? Or is this an utopia?
I’m cycled through a number of ponchos and outer shells for hiking and climbing and I haven’t found the right answer yet.
nope. worn long enough, sweaty is the end point. especially in continuous rain. better to use a less waterproof more breathable outer and deal with the wet (rain and condensation) which is fine as long as you are warm.
 
. better to use a less waterproof more breathable outer and deal with the wet (rain and condensation) which is fine as long as you are warm.

Any specific one? The last one I had was a Mammut one
 
Any specific one? The last one I had was a Mammut one
I use a couple of different things depending on the weather. A fleece-style soft shell top with lots of DWR like Buffalo Systems. You wear it next to skin and it can dry it out over time if warm with the microclimate you create. The fleece is going to breathe better. you still get wet but not as clammy.

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I also use an old Mountain Hardwear synthetic insulation jacket that has Conduit SL without taped seams. Pretty waterproof, breathes well, and wet insulation still has insulation value when wet.

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if you can create the warm microclimate next to skin, that moves the moisture out, it reduces the clammy/chill feeling. even a Ventile or 60/40 fabric outer over a light merino base layer wears less clammy when soaked.
 
I use a couple of different things depending on the weather. A fleece-style soft shell top with lots of DWR like Buffalo Systems. You wear it next to skin and it can dry it out over time if warm with the microclimate you create. The fleece is going to breathe better. you still get wet but not as clammy.

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I also use an old Mountain Hardwear synthetic insulation jacket that has Conduit SL without taped seams. Pretty waterproof, breathes well, and wet insulation still has insulation value when wet.

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if you can create the warm microclimate next to skin, that moves the moisture out, it reduces the clammy/chill feeling. even a Ventile or 60/40 fabric outer over a light merino base layer wears less clammy when soaked.

Gotcha, thanks. What outside temp would you use this with?
I’m thinking rainy summer conditions, 20-28C and very wet?
 
Gotcha, thanks. What outside temp would you use this with?
I’m thinking rainy summer conditions, 20-28C and very wet?
yes, that works in warm weather wet. in colder weather, just bring extra fleece/base layers to swap out underneath your shell.
 
Is there something that is light, waterproof and somewhat breathable (or at least doesn’t turn you into a sweaty mess inside)? Or is this an utopia?
I’m cycled through a number of ponchos and outer shells for hiking and climbing and I haven’t found the right answer yet.

What temperatures? As Thruth Thruth said, basically you are gonna sweat, it's a mini greenhouse inside. Below say 60F, depending on relative humidity, some things work ok as long as you don't go to hard.

It's as much about warmth as it is staying totally dry.
 
What temperatures? As Thruth Thruth said, basically you are gonna sweat, it's a mini greenhouse inside. Below say 60F, depending on relative humidity, some things work ok as long as you don't go to hard.

It's as much about warmth as it is staying totally dry.

Summer. 22-28 and up.
 
this might work in the summers of your own personal arctic circle up there but you’d stroke out from heat exhaustion wearing that down here.

also, wouldn’t a sweat laden fleece stink?
the arctic is a desert with little rain, so this is a normal world thing. That fleece would be ore appropriate for temps in the 15C wet and lower. I could/should have used a 200 weight fleece or lightweight merino top to illustrate getting wet in warm weather rain - if we are sticking to the 20C to 28C range - rather from sweat. Hypothermia is not a threat at that temp range. So I will get wet if it is warm and not torrential rain. If it is a deluge, I will pitch my shelter, which I always have with me. No rain or sweat. Hunker down as I am not one a schedule. A different scenario that say doghouse doghouse on a bike or boat during wet.

Synthetics start to smell after a week or so of all-day wear. merino takes weeks.
 
Thruth Thruth recommended Filson a couple of years ago, instead of my worn out Barbour Beaufort - and I got their 'Foul Weather Jacket' on a sale, last year. Been perfect in the wet nordic noir weather. Will add a down liner though. Could add a Barbour Bedale for lighter use, than the Filson.
Other than that, I mostly wear a Mackintosh and a vintage Burberry trench.

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shite recommendations and nothing super technical except for the Beta.
Ok so I'm unfortunately in the market for a new rain jacket after losing mine yesterday in a restaurant like a fucking dumbass.

Looking for something relatively light weight, breathable, and good for running errands and being out for limited amount of time in the rain. Don't need something like a Barbour or a fancy jacket. Was looking at the Arcteryx options but $450 is a little rich for a rain jacket IMO. Any suggestions welcome.

Edit - can be technical looking and not fancy but nothing with too wild patterns or color or weird looking shit. Velcro cuffs are a nice option and so are pit zippers. I'm a sweater.
 
I second Fjallraven.

If you want something really lightweight, your best bet are the brands that cater to the mountain hunting community, the most prominent of them are probably Sitka and Kuiu.
 
Ok so I'm unfortunately in the market for a new rain jacket after losing mine yesterday in a restaurant like a fucking dumbass.

Looking for something relatively light weight, breathable, and good for running errands and being out for limited amount of time in the rain. Don't need something like a Barbour or a fancy jacket. Was looking at the Arcteryx options but $450 is a little rich for a rain jacket IMO. Any suggestions welcome.

Edit - can be technical looking and not fancy but nothing with too wild patterns or color or weird looking shit. Velcro cuffs are a nice option and so are pit zippers. I'm a sweater.

Fjallraven if you are serious about staying dry in the elements.

It this is just something to leave in the car and use to keep the rain off while you jog in to the restaurant, where you may lose it, then the REI Rainier or Marmot Precip are good sub $100 options that don’t make you look like you are climbing Everest.
 
Ok so I'm unfortunately in the market for a new rain jacket after losing mine yesterday in a restaurant like a fucking dumbass.

Looking for something relatively light weight, breathable, and good for running errands and being out for limited amount of time in the rain. Don't need something like a Barbour or a fancy jacket. Was looking at the Arcteryx options but $450 is a little rich for a rain jacket IMO. Any suggestions welcome.

Edit - can be technical looking and not fancy but nothing with too wild patterns or color or weird looking shit. Velcro cuffs are a nice option and so are pit zippers. I'm a sweater.
 
I just bought an OR (Outdoor Research) discounted at REI in NYC.
Pit zippers, pockets and hood. Basic colors (I got the green one).

I think its this one:

 
Patagonia Torrentshell. A bit heavy

Adidas Terrex Goretex jackets are always on sale and are good. I had one from a few seasons ago and it was light, breathed ok.

Marmot precip - affordable

OR Helium
 
Patagonia Torrentshell. A bit heavy

Adidas Terrex Goretex jackets are always on sale and are good. I had one from a few seasons ago and it was light, breathed ok.

Marmot precip - affordable

OR Helium
Funny. I have this jacket(s). Got it in a TKMaxx (TJMaxx for you guys) of all places when I was passing through Munich a few years ago.

I needed something to run in the early hours or knock about and I snagged it. It has been invaluable. In fact, I wore it most of day today -as it has been one downpour after another over here- in btw shuffling to swimming and ball practices and it is light and waterproof.
 

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