Terror Attack In Brussels

Isis already claimed responsability for this attack. The fucking capital of the EU has been attacked.
 
Leitmotif said:
Lol the fuckers that finance this shit are now in tears after the shit they have done. Fucking stupid hypocrites.
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That's the next country over. The UAE is just a waystation. But that misses the point the average Emirati is scared as shitless as the rest of the world and with much better reason, these assholes are right next door to them.
 
doghouse said:
That's the next country over. The UAE is just a waystation. But that misses the point the average Emirati is scared as shitless as the rest of the world and with much better reason, these assholes are right next door to them.
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Them, the Qataris, specially the Qataris, and the sauds are the responsible for that shit. What a fucking mess. They are smart though, they have yet to hit any od the places that theybuse as entry points to Euope namely Italy and Greece.
 
Leitmotif said:
Them, the Qataris, specially the Qataris, and the sauds are the responsible for that shit. What a fucking mess. They are smart though, they have yet to hit any od the places that theybuse as entry points to Euope namely Italy and Greece.
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The House of Saud has spent more than every other Arab put together. The Qataris have like three rogue guys. Dubai has no money whatsoever even if they wanted to spend it blowing people up. The reason it's called the Burj Khalifa is they ran out of cash halfway through building the goddamn thing and has to ask Abu Dhabi for money to finish it. ABu Dhabi said "Hey, no problem man. Just have to name it after us lol". It's like a big ass middle finger to the Emirate.

I can promise you one thing, the UAE doesn't worship Allah, they worship the dollah. You can eat, drink and fuck till your hearts content there, as long as you bring bags of cash. Terrorism is bad for business. They will launder the shit out of some money though.
 
doghouse said:
The House of Saud has spent more than every other Arab put together. The Qataris have like three rogue guys. Dubai has no money whatsoever even if they wanted to spend it blowing people up. The reason it's called the Burj Khalifa is they ran out of cash halfway through building the goddamn thing and has to ask Abu Dhabi for money to finish it. ABu Dhabi said "Hey, no problem man. Just have to name it after us lol". It's like a big ass middle finger to the Emirate.

I can promise you one thing, the UAE doesn't worship Allah, they worship the dollah. You can eat, drink and fuck till your hearts content there, as long as you bring bags of cash. Terrorism is bad for business. They will launder the shit out of some money though.
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^ this.

Saudi money funding Wahhabism via madrasas worldwide. Incubators for this bullshit
 
Fucking Hillary on the attack:

Solidarity

Broaden

NATO

Attacking our democratic values? No, it is not democracy they are attacking.
 
Hillary is the worst shit that has happen to this country, seriously. I have been saying it for a while, but that woman is gonna be the instrumental part for a third world war.
 
Of course every major airport in the world has video surveillance of every inch of public space but we'll never see the footage of the actual bombs/bombers going off.

Same shit another day TPTB should just declare global martial law get it over with OLO.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHHA
LIBERAL CUNTS AND THEIR PC BULLSHIT


"When we look at the evidence, it doesn't hold," said Matteo Garavoglia, a fellow at the Brookings Institute who focuses on common foreign and security policy of the European Union. "The idea that terrorists would risk a journey from a dinghy rubber boat and hopefully make their way into Europe to carry out an attack is a silly way to go about it. It simply makes no sense."
 
Sympathy and condolences to all Belgium members. Thoughts and prayers. We will never surrender to terrorism.
 
Leitmotif said:
LIBERAL CUNTS AND THEIR PC BULLSHIT

"When we look at the evidence, it doesn't hold," said Matteo Garavoglia, a fellow at the Brookings Institute who focuses on common foreign and security policy of the European Union. "The idea that terrorists would risk a journey from a dinghy rubber boat and hopefully make their way into Europe to carry out an attack is a silly way to go about it. It simply makes no sense."
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I think that he's right. If you're going to attack Brussels, or London, or Paris, you're not going to travel across the Mediterranean in a leaky boat, land in Greece or some island off the coast of Italy, and then slowly make your way overland to western Europe.

The people that carried out these attacks most likely flew to Western Europe on planes and passed through passport control like the rest of us.
 
^Yes, that was in my mind as I was writing my comment.

There is, unfortunately, a certain amount of "home-grown" radicalisation and I've previously posted my thoughts on that in another thread somewhere on DW.

To my mind, such home-grown radicalisation is primarily due to two things - the foolish idealism of youth, and of seeking some sort of meaning in life in response to feelings of boredom or hopelessness.

If you go back a few decades, you see people from a variety of backgrounds - some poor, some wealthy - getting involved with terrorist movements such as the Weather Underground in the US or the Red Brigades, Red Army Faction, Baader Meinhof, Action Directe or various other groups. It gave their lives meaning - however foolish and misguided that meaning might have been - and made them feel as though they were important, they were part of something greater, something special.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure those are the same reasons that people are drawn to terrorism nowadays, too.

This search for honour, glory and meaning in violence brings to mind Wilfred Owen's oh-so-scathing anti-war poem about the "old lie", Dulce et Decorum Est, but with "religio" substituted for "patria".

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
 
LelandJ said:
Yeah you are wrong, it's all state sponsored for statist benefit.
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I don't know whether you are subscribing to some hare-brained "false flag" conspiracy theories and, frankly, I don't care.

However, you seem to have entirely overlooked the point that I was making, which was that the reasons behind why people decide to be terrorists - why they decide to blow themselves up and/or kill other people - is because they are often looking for meaning.

Now, as I also alluded to, people used to find that meaning in patriotism - "Follow your spirit, and upon this charge cry "God for Harry, England, and Saint George!"" - or politics, but a lot of terrorism that we see nowadays is religious, rather than political or patriotic.

That's not to say that politics and patriotism don't play a role, as they do, but if you were to interview terrorists nowadays about their reasons, it's a pretty safe bet that they'd say it was for religion.

Of course, it may well be that state or group actors are behind these acts - Iran, ISIS, Al Qaeda etc - but I was talking about the motivation of the individual terrorists. The groups behind these acts use religion, and the search for meaning and relevance, as a tool, just as army recruiters and propaganda artists used King and Country as a tool in past wars.
 
The problem is that Muslim radicals got it too easy to hide inside their Muslim community and to radicalise other Muslims.
The Muslims have created a parallel society wherever they went, and due to their religion/ ideology they won't talk to local police, even if they had knowledge of extremists in their community.
And because its such a closed community you can't infiltrate it. It's the imams who radicalise young Muslims and there is no one to stop them.
I don't think that helping them more, in the sense of more language classes and more welfare money will do any good either. All those efforts will be seen as weakness and likely make matters worse.
 
Scherensammler said: ↑
The problem is that iGents got it too easy to hide inside their iGents community and to radicalise other people who read forums.
The iGents have created a parallel society wherever they went, and due to their religion/ ideology they won't talk to local police, even if they had knowledge of extremists in their community.
And because its such a closed community you can't infiltrate it. It's the forums who radicalise young iGents and there is no one to stop them.
I don't think that helping them more, in the sense of more language classes and more welfare money will do any good either. All those efforts will be seen as weakness and likely make matters worse.



FTFY
 
Scherensammler said:
The problem is that Muslim radicals got it too easy to hide inside their Muslim community and to radicalise other Muslims.
The Muslims have created a parallel society wherever they went, and due to their religion/ ideology they won't talk to local police, even if they had knowledge of extremists in their community.
And because its such a closed community you can't infiltrate it. It's the imams who radicalise young Muslims and there is no one to stop them.
I don't think that helping them more, in the sense of more language classes and more welfare money will do any good either. All those efforts will be seen as weakness and likely make matters worse.
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Right.
And Denmark ought to kick out the fucking Imam that is calling for things that are, as they say "Clearly contrary to Basic Danish values" like stoning people, or marrying children, and who the hell else knows what else? It is barbaric horseshit.

People will call the cops if they see a middle aged white man watching kids at a park, but suddenly you can't touch an Imam who wants to marry 8 year olds...
 
Journeyman said:
^Yes, that was in my mind as I was writing my comment.

There is, unfortunately, a certain amount of "home-grown" radicalisation and I've previously posted my thoughts on that in another thread somewhere on DW.

To my mind, such home-grown radicalisation is primarily due to two things - the foolish idealism of youth, and of seeking some sort of meaning in life in response to feelings of boredom or hopelessness.

If you go back a few decades, you see people from a variety of backgrounds - some poor, some wealthy - getting involved with terrorist movements such as the Weather Underground in the US or the Red Brigades, Red Army Faction, Baader Meinhof, Action Directe or various other groups. It gave their lives meaning - however foolish and misguided that meaning might have been - and made them feel as though they were important, they were part of something greater, something special.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure those are the same reasons that people are drawn to terrorism nowadays, too.

This search for honour, glory and meaning in violence brings to mind Wilfred Owen's oh-so-scathing anti-war poem about the "old lie", Dulce et Decorum Est, but with "religio" substituted for "patria".

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
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This is pretty accurate I feel. I was actually pondering this a little on the way to work today, I especially think the youth part plays a bigger role than most consider. The prefrontal cortex underdevelopment is a serious handicap because these kids are living in a false self made reality, but the consequences are very real for those affected.
 
Arnathor said:
Right.
And Denmark ought to kick out the fucking Imam that is calling for things that are, as they say "Clearly contrary to Basic Danish values" like stoning people, or marrying children, and who the hell else knows what else? It is barbaric horseshit.

People will call the cops if they see a middle aged white man watching kids at a park, but suddenly you can't touch an Imam who wants to marry 8 year olds...
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This is all fine and dandy, and I pretty much agree, but you have to give the disaffected a parallel avenue. The radicalization is just a vehicle to play out psychoemotional issues. As J-man posted up thread, they will just find some other way to act out if they aren't channeled into a productive milieu. Now this doesn't mean holding everyone's hand, but providing economic and social opportunity with some sort of intergration. These Arab ghettos across Europe are the worst thing, because they create a separate society as Scherensammler Scherensammler mentioned.
 
doghouse said:
This is all fine and dandy, and I pretty much agree, but you have to give the disaffected a parallel avenue. The radicalization is just a vehicle to play out psychoemotional issues. As J-man posted up thread, they will just find some other way to act out if they aren't channeled into a productive milieu. Now this doesn't mean holding everyone's hand, but providing economic and social opportunity with some sort of intergration. These Arab ghettos across Europe are the worst thing, because they create a separate society as Scherensammler Scherensammler mentioned.
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Maybe Sartodi can sit down with them and pyschoanalice them.
 
Journeyman said:
I don't know whether you are subscribing to some hare-brained "false flag" conspiracy theories and, frankly, I don't care.
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It's physically impossible for a plane not armed with an atomic bomb to pulverize a 100 story building into dust. To believe some cavemen with boxcutters actually did and defeated norad at the same time doesn't make you completely stupid but it does mean your 'education' appeals to authority and circumvents simple logic which goes to very beginning and purpose of morality in western "religion" (anthropologically speaking any "religion" creating separation from god is politics not religion) was/is to to preserve an immoral social structure. This is humanities/comparative religion 101 which unfortunately isn't part of core classes in most universities, for obvious reasons.
 
doghouse said:
Now this doesn't mean holding everyone's hand, but providing economic and social opportunity with some sort of intergration. These Arab ghettos across Europe are the worst thing, because they create a separate society as Scherensammler Scherensammler mentioned.
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The ghettoes are created by the Muslims, at least in Germany. Local people moving away from a certain area that starts to have a mostly Muslim population plays a part, but when you have people in your apartment building slaughtering live sheep and goats in their kitchen you move away, if you can.
This report pretty much describes what the situation is, especially when it comes to language skills:



The requirements for getting a job have increased, the minimum is a good high school degree for low level jobs.
For a job in a trade you need much better education than that, and you need good German language skills.
Many young people with a migration background struggle to get a decent degree because of lack of (language) skills, so no jobs for them. Since they don't speak German they stick to themselves. Easy prey for radical imams, who tell them it's not their fault (actually, it's the same scenario with unemployed Germans who become very right wing or Neonazis).

In other news, the Belgian police did a lousy job, the attackers were known to the authorities "but not linked to radical Muslim groups".
It's well known that the Saudis fund the Salafist movement in Germany and Europe in general, yet all countries are quite happy to sell them advanced weapons.
 
fxh said:
Scherensammler said: ↑
The problem is that iGents got it too easy to hide inside their iGents community and to radicalise other people who read forums.
The iGents have created a parallel society wherever they went, and due to their religion/ ideology they won't talk to local police, even if they had knowledge of extremists in their community.
And because its such a closed community you can't infiltrate it. It's the forums who radicalise young iGents and there is no one to stop them.
I don't think that helping them more, in the sense of more style classes and more shill money will do any good either. All those efforts will be seen as weakness and likely make matters worse.



FTFY
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FTFY.

Actually, I had iGents in mind when I wrote it, but was too afraid.:bigtears:
 
Scherensammler said:
The ghettoes are created by the Muslims, at least in Germany. Local people moving away from a certain area that starts to have a mostly Muslim population plays a part, but when you have people in your apartment building slaughtering live sheep and goats in their kitchen you move away, if you can.
This report pretty much describes what the situation is, especially when it comes to language skills:



The requirements for getting a job have increased, the minimum is a good high school degree for low level jobs.
For a job in a trade you need much better education than that, and you need good German language skills.
Many young people with a migration background struggle to get a decent degree because of lack of (language) skills, so no jobs for them. Since they don't speak German they stick to themselves. Easy prey for radical imams, who tell them it's not their fault (actually, it's the same scenario with unemployed Germans who become very right wing or Neonazis).

In other news, the Belgian police did a lousy job, the attackers were known to the authorities "but not linked to radical Muslim groups".
It's well known that the Saudis fund the Salafist movement in Germany and Europe in general, yet all countries are quite happy to sell them advanced weapons.
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Precisely.
 
doghouse said:
This is pretty accurate I feel. I was actually pondering this a little on the way to work today, I especially think the youth part plays a bigger role than most consider. The prefrontal cortex underdevelopment is a serious handicap because these kids are living in a false self made reality, but the consequences are very real for those affected.
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Didnt everyone join the Red Brigades when they were teenagers? I remember this one time we machine gunned these security guards in Italy, but the idiots had the money handcuffed to themselves. Luckily Ricardo was handy with a knife and we got away with the suitcases of money, and the arms.
 
prince nez said:
Didnt everyone join the Red Brigades when they were teenagers? I remember this one time we machine gunned these security guards in Italy, but the idiots had the money handcuffed to themselves. Luckily Ricardo was handy with a knife and we got away with the suitcases of money, and the arms.
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I'm still waiting on my cut.
 
formby said:
What did you think?
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I think there is something there, but probably a little more complex than that. It may be splitting hairs, but I think that purpose and self esteem are not necessarily the same.

In the US in think we have an over abundance of self esteem.
 
doghouse said:
I think there is something there, but probably a little more complex than that. It may be splitting hairs, but I think that purpose and self esteem are not necessarily the same.

In the US in think we have an over abundance of self esteem.
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I enjoyed when I read it, I think he was a wise man, wiser than most Ivory Tower merchants.

A similar book of sorts, but more scholarly is Norman Cohn's Pursuit of the Millennium. Norman Cohn was the father of Nik Cohn the author of Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom and Today There Are No Gentlemen amongst other books.
 
formby said:
I enjoyed when I read it, I think he was a wise man, wiser than most Ivory Tower merchants.

A similar book of sorts, but more scholarly is Norman Cohn's Pursuit of the Millennium. Norman Cohn was the father of Nik Cohn the author of Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom and Today There Are No Gentlemen amongst other books.
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Oh I agree. I have always wanted to read some other of his stuff, just never got around to it. I just think he would have a slightly different take today given more data to work with, which is true of all of us I suppose.

I will check into the Cohn book, don't mind a little scholarly reading.
 
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