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horses for courses, ymmv
Until about 2005/6 I thought only people with deformed feet followed this path.

In a number of cases of high society divorces, the wives have cited expensive shoes in the GBP 600-1000+ as a precursor, or the initial sign that made them zero in on hubbies penchant for high class escorts on business trips. That tells us (i) women don't like the thought of men having expensive shoes and (ii) many of the working rich, whilst buying expensive shoes don't go bespoke.

Several years ago I was tempted by Tim Little where you could go bespoke for GBP 1400, now it's over GBP 2000.

Here, Greve, if you go to Utrecht, will do bespoke for half that. Tempting and their Breda model is excellent, but not quite C&J's. But better than the Northampton lesser brands and the Italian/Spanish shite.
 

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Until about 2005/6 I thought only people with deformed feet followed this path.

In a number of cases of high society divorces, the wives have cited expensive shoes in the GBP 600-1000+ as a precursor, or the initial sign that made them zero in on hubbies penchant for high class escorts on business trips. That tells us (i) women don't like the thought of men having expensive shoes and (ii) many of the working rich, whilst buying expensive shoes don't go bespoke.

Several years ago I was tempted by Tim Little where you could go bespoke for GBP 1400, now it's over GBP 2000.

Here, Greve, if you go to Utrecht, will do bespoke for half that. Tempting and their Breda model is excellent, but not quite C&J's. But better than the Northampton lesser brands and the Italian/Spanish shite.
Bespoke makers often have trouble incorporating orthodontics into bespoke shoes for the deformed foot crowd and it's hit and miss. But like bespoke suits, bespoke shoes used to be a far more common thing and not just limited to those of means. I need bespoke shoes less than I need bespoke suits and I get bespoke suits because I can't find many 44S suits by quality RTW/MTM makers versus me having my tailor make them up in terms of cost. I no longer travel out of Canada nor desire to much anymore so I don't have access to the variety of tailors in Euroland and the UK or even those I used to travel to NYC to meet. No traveling old Taylorz visit Canada and I'm not going the traveling HK shite merchants. I am lucky that one of the few bespoke tailors in the country is a 40 minute flight away. Plus I like finding interesting tissues for CMT.

However, at this point of my career I hardly wear dress up costumes anymore other than PPE and scrubs and I can't see myself doing anything else unless things change. Bespoke shoes are nice and I've done it a few times but I don't need any more fancy shoos of that level. As footwear goes I am fine with RTW, MTM and MTO for casual boots and shoes. My cowboy boots are always custom as I have a comfortable modified last in the last shop. Anything I typically buy now clothing wise is more Fedora Lounge than DW anyway.

I think it is time to allow my shirts to develop foxing on the cuffs, no?

So in the end I think people need bespoke shoes less than bespoke clothing and lets face it we only get bespoke bercause we can and want to. I am pretty sure that only a minority of bespoke customers are shaped and sized such that they need bespoke.
 

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I think most people aren't too adventurous with shoes, don't care so much about the hand work, and they can get a decent fit out of rtw so they don't need bespoke. None-the-less, to some bespoke is so much more, and well worth it.

The bloke Jr insulted was a jr shoomen. He was trying to climb the ladder and act above his level but Jr called him out on it. Jr was rude, but he knew who he was dealing with because he gave off that igent vibe that makes real shoomen cringe, and Jr smelled his small time ways and crunched him and sent him back down the ladder where he belongs. Jr was really horrible, but he did get one thing right when he said "you are not ready". Jr shoomen need to know their place.

Same as with Mafoofan, he tried climbing the ladder in the shoo and clothing world, but he got thrown off because he didn't belong up there. He tried so hard to be a BIG daddy, but he was always a jr at heart. See....too many Juniors try to put on the image of a BIG daddy, but it is only on the surface. To be a real BIG daddy you need to have shoos or bespoke suits in your blood....you got to be born with it. We can always tell the imposters....same goes with you guys calling me out telling me l didn't have bespoke suits in my blood. A real seasoned veteran knows a Jr when he sees one, but at least l know l am a Jr and I didn't pretend otherwise.

BIG Daddies don't buy expensive clothing or shoos to show off or big note themselves. They buy stuff because they want the finer things and they don't care if anyone ever knew, and they have vast experience. See...igents will never be BIG daddies...they are in it for image and showing off and big noting themselves, and they are in a phase. A BIG daddy takes it all in his stride where-as a Jr likes to show off and join the `in club', but BIG daddies need none of that.

I will say though, bespoke is a very private thing. It doesn't need to be shown off because it is very personal, but igents don't see it like that, they use bespoke as a status symbol.

It's all about the mindset, and most blokes ain't got it!
 
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It really warms my heart when l see Jr shoomen enjoying themselves.

another Jr shoomen


They all read the forums and got their start from there, but it is still good because at least men are wearing better shoes these days.

The bloke at the top even bought Gaziano & Girling, so it shows he is curious and experimenting. It's cute, he was curious to see what the bigger boys do. Of course he can't move up any further because he lacks the mindset needed at high levels, but it is great that these guys are experiencing the lower levels of the shoo world. Finally they got to see what it is all about. I wonder what their wives think, they must think their husbands have lost their minds, but it is just boys being boys doing their own thing. It's how it is, blokes do these type of things.
 

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Bespoke makers often have trouble incorporating orthodontics into bespoke shoes for the deformed foot crowd and it's hit and miss. But like bespoke suits, bespoke shoes used to be a far more common thing and not just limited to those of means. I need bespoke shoes less than I need bespoke suits and I get bespoke suits because I can't find many 44S suits by quality RTW/MTM makers versus me having my tailor make them up in terms of cost. I no longer travel out of Canada nor desire to much anymore so I don't have access to the variety of tailors in Euroland and the UK or even those I used to travel to NYC to meet. No traveling old Taylorz visit Canada and I'm not going the traveling HK shite merchants. I am lucky that one of the few bespoke tailors in the country is a 40 minute flight away. Plus I like finding interesting tissues for CMT.

However, at this point of my career I hardly wear dress up costumes anymore other than PPE and scrubs and I can't see myself doing anything else unless things change. Bespoke shoes are nice and I've done it a few times but I don't need any more fancy shoos of that level. As footwear goes I am fine with RTW, MTM and MTO for casual boots and shoes. My cowboy boots are always custom as I have a comfortable modified last in the last shop. Anything I typically buy now clothing wise is more Fedora Lounge than DW anyway.

I think it is time to allow my shirts to develop foxing on the cuffs, no?

So in the end I think people need bespoke shoes less than bespoke clothing and lets face it we only get bespoke bercause we can and want to. I am pretty sure that only a minority of bespoke customers are shaped and sized such that they need bespoke.
Hey @Truth what tailors did you used to see, all the big boys? Were they the tailors that all the BIG daddies go to?
 

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A bloke tried to put a toe plate on his BIG Johnny Lobbs and broke them.
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Serious damage. Broke the inseaming stitch so they needed to be rewelted. The screws dig into the upper too, ie, no need to stitch the uppers, just use screws to hold them together. :cry: :lolguy:
That hurts to see. He must've used screws that were way too long...
 

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Hey @Truth what tailors did you used to see, all the big boys? Were they the tailors that all the BIG daddies go to?
I never ended up commissioning anything from the big boys. Out of expediency I've only used three guys who were all in Canada. First two were in Montreal. The first was one of the old Montreal bespoke guys and when he retired his kid only did MTM so I moved to a chap who had trained in HK on the recommendation of my shirtmaker who is also in Montreal after I switched from CEGO in NYC. Then by happenstance I was talking to the head tailor at Holt-Renfrew which is a high-end department store that does bespoke and his brother had a shop in Calgary which is closer to me. Both of them apprenticed in Italy and then London so I gave him a try and have stayed with him. He is fine with CMT so that has worked out nicely for me over the years.
 

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found out LLBean is now outsourcing their boot production overseas. the kathadin model used to be made by chippewa but now its being produced in vietnam. that company has really gone down the tubes.
 

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First Vass, then Cleverley, now Lobb - how the mighty are fallen!


In short - SF member saw a chance to buy Lobbs on sale from a third party website that sells excess/sale stock on behalf of businesses. He thought he was getting a great deal but when the shoes arrived, they looked like this:

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These were, apparently, sold as "firsts" - not marked as seconds, or rejects in any way, shape or form.
 

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First Vass, then Cleverley, now Lobb - how the mighty are fallen!


In short - SF member saw a chance to buy Lobbs on sale from a third party website that sells excess/sale stock on behalf of businesses. He thought he was getting a great deal but when the shoes arrived, they looked like this:

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These were, apparently, sold as "firsts" - not marked as seconds, or rejects in any way, shape or form.
That’s why it is best to buy shoes in person, inspect them, try them on.

Lobb factory shop in Northampton used to be good but then the prices went up.
 

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First Vass, then Cleverley, now Lobb - how the mighty are fallen!


In short - SF member saw a chance to buy Lobbs on sale from a third party website that sells excess/sale stock on behalf of businesses. He thought he was getting a great deal but when the shoes arrived, they looked like this:

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These were, apparently, sold as "firsts" - not marked as seconds, or rejects in any way, shape or form.
Should have gone to C&J's. The thinking man's shoe looking for quality and distinction.

That’s why it is best to buy shoes in person, inspect them, try them on.

Lobb factory shop in Northampton used to be good but then the prices went up.
I've considered dropping into Northampton a couple of times to check out the factory stores. But whenever I'm in that neck of the woods I'm on epic car journey trying to beat the clock and you get that gethomeitus and you just have to keep moving. No stops for nothing.
 

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Once I got bespoke shoes, I realized why RTW shoes didn't fit. The bones in my feet are both crooked, hence the backs of my feet have slight protrusions and the tallest part of my slightly high instep is not in the center, but just off-center.

I suppose the lesson I got was to learn about your feet from a podiatrist first. Could've gotten the insoles built into my first pair of bespoke shoes had I done so.
 

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Quaddy are supposed to be good (and make a variety of sizes to suit those of us with duck feet). Rancourt also offer some ‘custom’ MTO options. doghouse doghouse is our resident expert, I believe.
Thanks, I am leaning towards those two brands because I assume they can be resoled.
 

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Quaddy are supposed to be good (and make a variety of sizes to suit those of us with duck feet). Rancourt also offer some ‘custom’ MTO options. doghouse doghouse is our resident expert, I believe.
*Quoddy.

Rancourt are fantastic, can be totally recrafted, but i have to say mine are my daily wearer on construction sites in the summer for half a decade and are still going strong.
 

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and i've got a new custom title
He wears the best bespoke suits and shoos when not in the ring, and he has 100 of each. Why? Because he is a
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Woot. :lolguy:


Even his hat is made of gold, and he can even wears expensive jewels when in the ring. Why? Because he is a
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Woot! :are.you.serious:











:lolguy:
 

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Because when your name is Shirley, like a boy named Sue, you need to be as hard as nails:


Seamus Android in his pomp.Wrestling was all rigged of course.

I wonder what became of Kent Walton? A Canadian accent used to be quite an asset on the telly in those days.
 

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Seamus Android in his pomp.Wrestling was all rigged of course.

I wonder what became of Kent Walton? A Canadian accent used to be quite an asset on the telly in those days.
He retired at the end of the 80's and died at 86 around the early noughts when me da kicked too. He was not a Canadian though despite his accent.
 

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He retired at the end of the 80's and died at 86 around the early noughts when me da kicked too. He was not a Canadian though despite his accent.
A Canadian accent also worked well for Hughie Green ‘and I mean that most sincerely folks !’.

He was not Canadian either.
 

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Even though I lived in Calgary for a time in my youth, I can't distinguish a Canadian accent from a USA one.

How can you do that?

Thanks!
That's because from Manitoba to BC the accent is quite neutral and pretty similar to the west coast USA accent. Down east has more noticeable accents starting with the nasally sound of Ontario.
 

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Kid Jensen.
I had Kid Jensen as an English DJ who had taken on the mid-Atlantic twang.

How wrong I was!

That's because from Manitoba to BC the accent is quite neutral and pretty similar to the west coast USA accent. Down east has more noticeable accents starting with the nasally sound of Ontario.
The USA west coast accent is particularly unique, Brits are not generally exposed to that. And the Valley Girl accent can be quite attractive in the right circumstance.

The last time I heard it was from a real babe, plus sized but in a good way, when I asked her about it, she was Dutch but had spent several years in L.A. refining her accent.
 

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Ask them to say “out and about”

A yank will say “outnabout”

A Canuck will say “urwt and aburwt”
It's called Canadian raising and it is usually misheard by non-Canadians. The closest phonetic pronunciation for "out and about" is "owt & abowt". But non-Canadians hear "oot & aboot". There are articles in linguistic journals abowt it. There are some areas of the US that have it too, like certain places in the Upper Midwest.

Or, explained by a linguist, [Canadian raising] is a phonological process characteristic of one variety of Canadian English, in which the onsets of the diphthongs /ay/ and /aw/ raise to mid vowels when they precede voiceless obstruents (the sounds /p/, /t/, /k/, /s/, and /f/). Although this phenomenon has come to be called "Canadian" raising, the name is unfortunately too general, as this manner of speech is not shared by all Canadians.

What the fuck is all that about, eh?
 

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Someone over on SF just related a rather bizarre experience they had in communicating with Cleverley:


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So he asked whether GC's shoes are handwelted, and ended up being insulted and told me that he wasn't good enough to wear their shoes.

I can understand that people working for shoe and clothing companies might get tired of dealing with questions from people who read some comments on an internet forum and then think that they know about shoes or clothes, but that’s still very odd behaviour.
anyway....getting back to George Glasgow and his poor treatment of that time waster.

One thing l will say about George, he has instincts. Anyone with half a brain could tell that the rabbit was from a forum and a time waster, AND, he was weak and timid with his little nose twitching, and George smelled weakness so he crunched him. You know the types....real weak little men that go sniffing around in a world they don't belong in. They never have intentions to buy because they are not ready and probably never will be. These boys tip toe around, so George seized the opportunity to remind him where his place was on the ladder, and not to overstep it.

From the very first line that came out of his mouth, l knew he was weak and was trying to enter a world he didn't belong in. "Shoo, go back to where you belong, you are a junior son!" It's harsh, but sometimes it needs to be done, otherwise juniors might get too big for their boots. George did him a favour because he wouldn't have been able to handle being at that level. Some of us know who can handle it and who can't; that guy was way out of his depth.
 
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