The Elite: It's a Big Club and You're Not in it

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This is the look in the mirror thread. The public is stupid, it's the elite... so stop blaming politicians.

 
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No posts? Guess everyone is looking in the mirror longer than I had anticipated. Stop looking in the mirror, this was not meant to be a grooming thread.
 

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Niccolo had it right: it's better to be feared than loved. Politicians have done a nice bit of jiu-jitsu - particularly the repubs - in whipping up hysteria to take the place of substantive public discourse. Anyone remember Willie Horton?
 

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The contrary after my personal experience in Communist Venezuela. No comments about hot women though, this has to be bad.
 

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We need communism to scare the middle class. Fear tactics are part of how the elite operate. Remember, George Bush told the terds (non-elite) to go shopping after 9-11. Communists don't have good shit like Americans. Yes. You may have all 3. Just do it in Venezuela so we can have a dictator to topple. Elite member #3354 needs to sell a few bombs to the Pentagon to get a new boat.
 

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Communism is bad for the elite, it brings the top down to the middle.
No, it concentrate the elite. There is no middle class in communism by definition which is it's Achilles heel as when Marx & Engels wrote the Manifesto they did not account for the emergence of the middle class: a concentrated elite and everyone else.

The middle class is what fails democracies by virtue of being comfortable. The lower classes aspire to the middle class.

We can aspire to the elite class but Breaking in is rare. Old money dislikes new money. New money either behaves like old money or tries to save the world and turns its back on the home country.

Look at the American legislative structure. In most state the pay for a legislator is a pittance relatively speaking. Only someone with money or access to money can afford to serve.

Education is messed from the get go. It is not about critical thought but memorization and regurgitation. It focusses in the lowest common denominator and rather than nurturing the truely gifted students it spends all of its efforts on the "gifted" those students who lack the intellectual capacity to learn on their own. Social promotion because we cannot have competition with winners and losers. Everyone is a winner and gets a ribbon for trying just so darn hard. Can't fail anyone anymore as that is just not right. Just do it again and again until you have figured out the test structure and have memorized all the answers. Plagiarize if you want.

You can't be in the elite unless you have a birthright or hit the creative lotto like Jobs or Gates.

We are all complacent because we are either comfortable or spending all our waking hours wanting to get there.

I have just resolved myself to the fact that we are an alien ant farm and I just wake up each morning to see what the aliens have introduced into the plexiglass.
 

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No, it concentrate the elite. There is no middle class in communism by definition which is it's Achilles heel as when Marx & Engels wrote the Manifesto they did not account for the emergence of the middle class: a concentrated elite and everyone else.

The middle class is what fails democracies by virtue of being comfortable. The lower classes aspire to the middle class.

We can aspire to the elite class but Breaking in is rare. Old money dislikes new money. New money either behaves like old money or tries to save the world and turns its back on the home country.

Look at the American legislative structure. In most state the pay for a legislator is a pittance relatively speaking. Only someone with money or access to money can afford to serve.

Education is messed from the get go. It is not about critical thought but memorization and regurgitation. It focusses in the lowest common denominator and rather than nurturing the truely gifted students it spends all of its efforts on the "gifted" those students who lack the intellectual capacity to learn on their own. Social promotion because we cannot have competition with winners and losers. Everyone is a winner and gets a ribbon for trying just so darn hard. Can't fail anyone anymore as that is just not right. Just do it again and again until you have figured out the test structure and have memorized all the answers. Plagiarize if you want.

You can't be in the elite unless you have a birthright or hit the creative lotto like Jobs or Gates.

We are all complacent because we are either comfortable or spending all our waking hours wanting to get there.

I have just resolved myself to the fact that we are an alien ant farm and I just wake up each morning to see what the aliens have introduced into the plexiglass.
A lot right here, but also a lot wrong.

The elite gives a shit about old vs new money. That's a dinner party construct. If a member of the elite needs a fellow elite's new money power for whatever reason then they are elevated, but regardless the pecking order within the big club is maintained.

Next, the elite will allow someone new in on a one off basis depending on self interest. Elected officials are an example. A young congressman who has a spot on a committee a member of the elite needs access to will buy the little bitch by any combination of drugs, hookers, money, or access to other members of the elite. The little bitch responds because they want to be in the big club, but the little bitch is at the very, very bottom (no big money). That access provides for bought elections, an easier time maintaining status, and a further ability to elevate ones access to the elite thru continued networking.

Davos is heralded as a place where big ideas are exchanged... what a media low baller joke. Davos is the place where the elite can connect other members of the big club with each other out in the open for their benefit. I dare anyone to find anything that happens there that has any impact save to further consolidate the elite's power.

Everyone aspires to being rich. That's why the lottery is so successful. And in this respect, religion is the elite's best friend. In many ways, religion is the elite's most successful creation.

Lastly education is that way by design. They don't *want* creative thinkers. Creative thinkers are disruptive, and that threatens the way it is. Imagine if J P Morgan was shown an airplane in his heyday? Heh. Bury that shit.
 

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How do you define elite? I think we might be thinking about two different definitions.

Regardless, under a system of communism why do you have elite. I understand in all established communist regimes you had the elite in power, but I don't think that they are necessary in a truly equal society or are a part of a true communist society. If they are viewed as a part of a communist society I see very little difference between the way America is headed and a communist society with hugely increased centralized control.
Communism is a red herring. The elite play capitalism. Communism exposes them to the risk of being stripped of status. Capitalism welcomes, embraces and encourages their success. They only need communism as a mechanism of social control to middle class whitey, the elite's biggest threat.
 

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Yes, basically the elite consolidate (not localize) power and money into as small a tight knit group as possible because they know that the bigger the group is, the more they are at risk... someone gets in the big club because they are needed, but fucking oh ya, they cast off as many as possible as often as possible to keep the big club as small as they can. The big club realized just how bad they could fuck everyone in the ass with a hot iron during the robber baron period, and from then on it was carnival time, baby.

2008 was just another elaboration of power from the elite. We missed the higher level game being played because Susan R Smith was losing her $201,030 home in Boise and she was a good woman that thanked the lord every Sunday. 2008 was a big power play by the big club. Some elite premature ejaculated and were left with their dicks in their hands while the elite that won that round of rich musical chairs cashed in and increased their influence across the board. Poor Bernie Madoff... one of many criminals in the big club that lost his nut.
 
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So basically short of personal elevation into the exalted class the individual is fucked.
That's the point. You're never going to escape the quicksand. Accept it, or start believe the fantasy that ramming fishing boats and hugging trees will save the world. It's an ant thinking that it can knock down a 50 story building.

That because there are sheep who are in the majority, indoctrinated by culture or counterculture (which is merely the alternative version of culture oft marketed by the same people), we are doomed to fall under the power of the elite. What is the use in thinking on this level, do you hope to effect some change where you get more? How is it beneficial to think of things that whether or not they are true you cannot change.
Yup. It is effective because I encourage people en mass to adopt the same lens: just stand back and observe this. Don't protest. Don't become an activist. Don't recycle and don't worry about whether you have the right education. You're not getting in the club, and by proxy you're a fucking tool. I am and will remain a tool... I just got an iPhone 6 right. Being aware of the gravity of the tool you are is meaningless, what matters is knowing you're not in the club. Just watch them operate and you're perspective of the world will change more than you think is possible. This is a moment when you can watch the elite with a hidden camera... just watch how it works.

Is this a question where we can change things or are we merely a tool of one of the elites. For example in the video you listed, is this an attempt to change power from the politicians to the new media elite? Alternatively they could be a mere diversion of the elite to distract from the power struggles withing politics and promote voters from one party to not vote due to disenfranchisement. These questions are complex and there are a plethora of these questions for every action. Personally I prefer to spend my time just looking at clothes, preparing to climb mountains, and listening to music to drown out thoughts of meaninglessness, but if you prefer to hypothesize about things that are virtually unchangeable all power to you.
Per the video, fascism is when corporations become the government. Play social checkers if you want, but Mussolini is still alive. You're their tool when you even consider the idea of change.

These questions are not complex. The media invents complexity. They are very simple constructs when you understand that you're owned. Yes, look at clothes brother. Climb mountains, and listen to all the Hendrix you want. I do too. Just stop voting and believing you can have an impact on anything save your family, kids and people that trust you. It's a big club, and you're not in it. If you can accept all the privileged others get at your expense, you'll be fine.

And yes, someone will say it eventually, probably after Hitler comments, but there are lots of slaves today, many many millions.... that club we're all in.
 
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Not doing anything is doing something, by not taking part in the system you are inherently taking part in the system. Someone benefits from people not playing, by virtue of being born you were entered into the system. Look at voting statistics per group and then look at voting turnout, also look at benefits of informed voters for their own self interests. Unless you are removing yourself from the system as a novel idea (which I highly doubt most ideas today are) you are following someone else and building their power. Not only are you giving up power to other voters (despite the net loss being miniscule (aprox (1/299,999,999)-(1/300,000,000) voting shares)) but also you are directly empowering the person who you are following (despite feeling like this is a way out of the system).

I disagree you cannot effect change on people outside your family, kids, and people that trust you. You can have an immense effect on many people by engaging in violent behavior, in many cases known as terrorism. As a base terrorism is the infliction of an ideology onto a mass of people by means of force. This is a means of amplification that allows for extremely minor players (depending on the severity and success even including the average sheep) to alter reality for the masses. Yes, the power structure (the media machine) can and will twist this to their own ends (see manifestos vs media story of brevik, unibomber, elliot rodger) but the message disseminates.

NOTE - I do not support or encourage any form of terrorism, domestic or international.
Carlin and many others came before me in stepping away from the system, bro. I just finally came to the conclusion a half a decade ago that they're right. This half decade of observation have changed me more than any ever could. Any attempt you make to effect change is twisted into something that marks something the elite find useful... when Iraq war #2 started whining about lack of armor? Win for elite member #2123, do you remember a soldier killed from it? Well their families do. But that means shit. Name a dead Kennedy... now that means shit. See the difference? #2132 made more off that than your entire lifetime income ever could.

I understand you quantum view... I can't disaffect the system without affecting it, but I would rather empower the notion that this is bullshit than pretend there is something worth saving and waste my time with a vote.

You can effect change if you want to... John Hinckley. But all he did was place more distance from normal people to our leaders... how many times has Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 or Obama-fart actually placed themselves in a situation where the non-elite was being listened to? None. Immigration exec orders? Just a way to get a group of political elites elected, but they are exactly the same as the opposite party.

Right. Terrorism. The great elite power play. Patriot act might have been renamed "Elite keep flying private jets, slaves, take off your shoes and STFU". You'll see. Edward Snowden will never succeed, just watch. And if you are thinking about it, don't bother. They'll eventually jump on their sword, but it may not happen in your lifetime, which is ok for me.
 
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How is a basketball player an elite? They are nothing more than animals used to play games. They have no true power or money, just a body they trade for momentary benefits.
He's one of the most recognizable faces on the planet. He's also ultra rich, what do you mean no true money? He's probably worth 3 or 4 hundred million $. He's in the club.

Flies private, has security, fuck you money, can get access to basically anyone on the planet he wants. He was photographed with the royal family... how many get access to that? You can make your statement about some NBA rookie, but not LJ.
 

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So who owns the team, same level of elite? Royal family is a figurehead, lets see him meet banking dynasty elite. This is superficial bullshit, same as pop stars and actors. Pretty faces and distractions for the masses to distract from those behind the scenes.
Royal family > banking mogul > team owner > superstar athlete/entertainer

From the perspective of the elite, that's the pecking order.
 

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So the royal family is superior to the Rothschild dynasties for instance? The whole concept of bloodline never sat right with me.
Are you kidding? Not even close. The UK royal family pays no tax, basically get everything for free, and they are anointed by the people to with status that is part of the national ethos. You can't get more elite. The Saudi royals are close, but less stable in the part of the world their in, just remember they were shuttled out of the US on 9-11 - you are pretty elite when you're the only plane in the air when everyone is grounded.

Rothschilds are mega conglomerate, mainly banking, but they pay taxes and are exposed to risk. The UK royals have little or no risk of losing their status.
 

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So the royal family is superior to the Rothschild dynasties for instance? The whole concept of bloodline never sat right with me.
True royals = true elites as they own huge tracts of the country. Compared to royals, Rothschilds & their ilk are new money
 

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I don't want to hear any more of that royal shit. Family by my dad's side they think they are blue blooded folks because they are all blonde, green eyes our great grand fathers fought against the Spaniards and next to bolivar then my grand father became president of Colombia, his brother the head of the war minister and his cousin the archbishop of Bogota. The whole Elite blood its sad at best.
 

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Not true, the same could have been said of the italian monarch or the tsar but they were removed from power. Anyone can lose their status, everyone is still mortal.
They are involved with Freemasonry. Ain't going anywhere
 

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Going back to OP's "sit back and watch" advice, I agree. The overlords are masters of many things, and dividing and conquering is one of them. It's in 1984 and elsewhere. You can't play in their game and win. You have to not play the game. Don't use credit cards, don't have debt, don't give to political campaigns, don't pay for media (oops), etc.
The Matthew effect is in full effect. Those with power first parlay it into money and those with money first parlay it into power. The playing field stopped being level long ago. The game is rigged and we're the suckers. You win by not playing.
 

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Not true, the same could have been said of the italian monarch or the tsar but they were removed from power. Anyone can lose their status, everyone is still mortal.
The UK royals traded their political power for impunity long ago. In exchange for giving up the reign, they got all the free shit, land, and privileged they have today. They'd only lose their status if the UK collapsed as a nation state.
 

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Going back to OP's "sit back and watch" advice, I agree. The overlords are masters of many things, and dividing and conquering is one of them. It's in 1984 and elsewhere. You can't play in their game and win. You have to not play the game. Don't use credit cards, don't have debt, don't give to political campaigns, don't pay for media (oops), etc.
The Matthew effect is in full effect. Those with power first parlay it into money and those with money first parlay it into power. The playing field stopped being level long ago. The game is rigged and we're the suckers. You win by not playing.
This.

My only economic goal is to gather up enough shekels to retire from work. People need to stop believing in a "career" and that you are rewarded for personal achievement on behalf of corporations. I really get a laugh out of people that work tons of hours and are all motivated. Such bullshit.
 
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