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Whilst mentioning Ballantyne, the following resurfaced in my mind: On the first week end of confinement, I was in Crans Montana (a well know Ski and golf village here in Switzerland) and I saw on one of the good sports and clothing stores a sign with 'The Scotch House' so I went in and found they has quite a large stock of Made in Scotland Ballantyne sweaters and cardigans. They were from different years, according to the labels.
I had a chat with the lady that was fairly knowledgeable and she knew Ballantyne is no longer what it used to be and mentioned she had sourced some of the newer stuff at the beginning and then stopped as the quality was not there any longer...
It was a refreshing experience!

such an enjoyable post to read, makes this thread worthwhile.

For you Swiss Swiss . Boiled compressed dense 3 pound knitwear. Rare.
 
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I had seen that name somewhere but wasnt really familiar with it...
It seems to be an Austrian company and and some of the jackets are typical of the traditional Austrian/ Bavarian outfit
 

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I had seen that name somewhere but wasnt really familiar with it...
It seems to be an Austrian company and and some of the jackets are typical of the traditional Austrian/ Bavarian outfit
Sweater Chalet are a US-based company and one of the few sources of Dachstein wool products in North America. They import from Austria. Nice people to deal with. I buy gloves and mitts from them. I sourced my military sweaters from another source though. You and The Shooman The Shooman are all about being SuperPlyCashmereGuys™ for warmth but the 4-ply Dachstein mil sweater has been part of my cold weather kit for years. Very flexible in a layering system all the way down to -40 C and beyond. 200 gsm merino base layer top, 400 gsm merino or 200 weight thermal pro over than, Dachstein jumper then a regular cotton, Ventile or soft-shell anorak. That is good down to -30 C easy and for hours at that temp. Throw on one more layer (light down or synthetic) and you are good for -50+ C with the windchill. On its own it is very windproof due to the denseness of the wool and the weave. The standup collar is soft as I have it up in the cold and I rarely use a hood.

Other colours of wool + crewneck makes for a nice casual sweater. Surface texture of the weave is different.

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You also mentioned qiviuk. I think it is over-rated. In a previous life my boss ran the development corp for the Inuvialuit people in the Northwest Territories and they had the market cornered on Canadian qiviuk. As a perk, I got deals on qiviuk knitwear. It is soft and it is warm on a weight-for-warmth basis but it is fragile. Would not have a jumper in it. It is a lot like bison down which is similarly soft, similarly warm and similarly fragile. It needs to be in a blend. A MTM bison sweater will cost you $450 and it is a 33% bison, 33% alpaca and 34% merino. That makes a bulletproof, practical sweater.

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Here is what qiviuk and bison look like on their own.
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I've always found qiviuk good for women's gifts and musk oxen are not exotic to me. I also worked in Bolivia so llama, alpaca and even vicuna gear could be bought in the Canchas or directly from the factory in Cochabamba. But no one had the ability to make a fine vicuna overcoat for me either.
 
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I meant to respond sooner I have been a bit busy lately. I am glad this thread seems to be picking back up again, it's exciting to come back and find so many posts. I hope we can continue to post about our love for high-quality knitwear. As far as the nearly 3 pound knit I have, it certainly is decadent and will be perfect to wear on cold winter nights. I don't mind a heavy wool sweater as well but I notice that most of the very heavy ones are made of a harder wool as you mentioned and aren't as comfortable. Of course, they are perfect to wear on top of a cashmere turtleneck or crewneck.

The Malo I own is just under 2 pounds like yours and it is a gorgeous piece as far as the design and the colors used. It is not as tight-knit as the Scottish sweaters I own but I definitely am very happy to have it in my collection. It is stupendously warm. Here is a stock photo of it.
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I also wanted to mention that you are extremely lucky to own both of those gorgeous Cashmere 6 ply cardigans! I especially think your Ballantyne 6 ply is one of a kind. I actually recently missed out on a 6 ply Berk Cashmere cardigan in red, similar to both of yours. I was a bit upset about missing out since the fit was pretty close to what I wear if not a tad bit large. Anyways I am sure I will find one at some point, I still want one in a nice red or blue color. I definitely think it was worth paying to get your Ballantyne 6 ply reknit, especially since it is now your favorite piece and you can use it forever since it will last that long. I also think your intarsia by Ballantyne is stunning, I'll need to be on the lookout for something similar. I will also post two other recent finds of vintage cashmere I recently acquired in a separate post.

3 pounds, wow! So lucky. I have a 3 pound knit and it is so warm, but it is really hard wool and not near as comfortable as my cashmere cables, however it is the most dense knitted jumper I own. I can hold it up to the light and barely any light shines through it. It is basically windproof and bullet proof....i've never seen anything like it. It is about 80 years old and tough as old boots....puts the heaviest top market aran jumpers to shame, it is twice as heavy and far superior in quality.

Tell me about your Malo.

My 8 - 10 ply Malo is quite heavy and is one of my warmest jumpers, however the knit density is not as high as my old Scottish knitwear, but it is still a great jumper.

My old made-in-England N Peal cashmere 6 ply cardigan is a show stopper, and it has not pilled one bit despite being roughed around. This cardigan sadly has low armholes and the shawl collar is not double thickness like my Ballantyne, but it is a great piece to wear none-the-less.

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My Ballantyne 6 ply is my most luxurious purchase. The cashmere is decadent and the collar is over an inch thick when worn. It has high armholes and is utter perfection. It was originally too big, but l sent it to one of the world's foremost knitting experts and she took half of it apart and reknitted it on a loom in exactly the original knit pattern. I waited for many months and paid BIG $$$ to have it done, but it was worth it for a Ballantyne masterpiece that is no longer available and would be the finest cardigan ever made. It is a landmark piece as rare as hens teeth and the results of the alteration were perfection. She actually reknit parts of the cardigan.
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My other rare masterpiece is my 4 ply Ballantyne cashmere intarsia. It bought it unworn and have never seen anything as luxurious as that. I feel very lucky to own it. This would have taken so many days to make and was BIG $$$$ in the 80's. You won't see such decadent masterpieces like this anymore. It is so beautiful to wear and reminds me of an old woolen jumper I used to wear in the 80's.

I like that I am wearing one of the most luxurious pieces of clothing ever made, yet 99.9999% of people would have no idea and think it is probably just a $20 jumper. I like the fact that only a few would really know what it is. It is the same when wearing Lattanzi shoes, most would think they are just ordinary shoes where-as the reality is vastly different. I like extremely high quality clothing without looking expensive.
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Since Swiss and Shooman have been showing a number of incredible pieces, I figured I will post two newer vintage cashmere pieces I acquired. I want to say, Swiss thanks for posting different items from your collection. I especially loved the Hermes ones and the Isaia cardigan as well. I don't own anything by Hermes yet but one of these days I will. I will be on the lookout for the Scottish pieces. Anyways back to what I was going to share. First off I want to show a gorgeous Ballantyne argyle cashmere cardigan I recently acquired. It is so soft and I absolutely love the ways it feels. It is perfect for Spring and even wearing indoors over a t-shirt.

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Next, I wanted to share this Vintage Pringle of Cashmere Crewneck sweater in a beautiful aqua color It is extremely soft and has no pilling. It is very plush and lofty, most likely a 3 ply. I am not sure what year either are from but both fit perfectly and are of superb quality.

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As far as the nearly 3 pound knit I have, it certainly is decadent and will be perfect to wear on cold winter nights. I don't mind a heavy wool sweater as well but I notice that most of the very heavy ones are made of a harder wool as you mentioned and aren't as comfortable.
I was outside tonight and it is freezing cold, absolutely icy, however l had my heaviest 3 pound Scotland turtleneck and was warm as toast. It did the job with flying colours. It makes me feel so happy when l know l have the best knitwear ready for the coldest of weather. It makes me even happier knowing I have knitwear which no-one can match these days...I have knitwear from the golden age of knitwear.

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The Malo I own is just under 2 pounds like yours and it is a gorgeous piece as far as the design and the colors used. It is not as tight-knit as the Scottish sweaters I own but I definitely am very happy to have it in my collection. It is stupendously warm. Here is a stock photo of it.
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That would be a 8 - 10 ply, just like my Malo. Btw, l am wearing my Malo quite a lot recently, and will continue wearing it for the next 4 - 5 months.


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I also wanted to mention that you are extremely lucky to own both of those gorgeous Cashmere 6 ply cardigans!
I feel extremely lucky too.


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I especially think your Ballantyne 6 ply is one of a kind.
It is, nothing else would compare. It is a cardigan's cardigan. Those 12 ply from made-in-Scotland O'connells are $1,200 these days, yet those 6 ply Ballantyne were much more pricey back in the old days, so it tells me that the Ballantynes were completely decadent. They don't even have the big name of the Italians, yet they still charged the high prices due to being pure luxury for the few. Probably one of the most luxurious cardigans ever made, and it shows.

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I actually recently missed out on a 6 ply Berk Cashmere cardigan in red, similar to both of yours. I was a bit upset about missing out since the fit was pretty close to what I wear if not a tad bit large.
Wow, that sounds like a dream. Lucky I didn't know about it, I think my sizing is slightly bigger than you and it may have fit me. Then again, at the moment l am not buying much because the exchange rate makes it too prohibitive.

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Anyways I am sure I will find one at some point, I still want one in a nice red or blue color.
Your time will come, and it is a waiting game. 6 plys are not that common, so get ready to snag it when that rare opportunity comes. You'll have it for years and won't be worry. It can be painful to pay the money at first, but you'll be glad that you did.


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I definitely think it was worth paying to get your Ballantyne 6 ply reknit, especially since it is now your favorite piece and you can use it forever since it will last that long.
I actually searched out that fellow and bought two. I knew they were too big and knew l could get this lady to fix them.

My other Ballantyne must have been a second because it had some buttonhole issues, so l am taking the buttons off and having it converted to a piece of luxury thermal knitwear to wear underneath clothing. Here is a glance. It is a shawl cardigan so a conversion to a jumper/thermal will be perfect.
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I also think your intarsia by Ballantyne is stunning, I'll need to be on the lookout for something similar. I will also post two other recent finds of vintage cashmere I recently acquired in a separate post.
I have never seen or heard of anything else like it. Would be extremely rare.
 
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Since Swiss and Shooman have been showing a number of incredible pieces, I figured I will post two newer vintage cashmere pieces I acquired. I want to say, Swiss thanks for posting different items from your collection. I especially loved the Hermes ones and the Isaia cardigan as well. I don't own anything by Hermes yet but one of these days I will. I will be on the lookout for the Scottish pieces. Anyways back to what I was going to share. First off I want to show a gorgeous Ballantyne argyle cashmere cardigan I recently acquired. It is so soft and I absolutely love the ways it feels. It is perfect for Spring and even wearing indoors over a t-shirt.

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Next, I wanted to share this Vintage Pringle of Cashmere Crewneck sweater in a beautiful aqua color It is extremely soft and has no pilling. It is very plush and lofty, most likely a 3 ply. I am not sure what year either are from but both fit perfectly and are of superb quality.

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That Pringle will be amazing, and it will give you so much comfort and luxury for years to come. This is what knitwear is all about. Same goes with my 4 ply Ballantyne, it is so plush and comfy. It makes life so much better when a man has these things. It's a special Scottish cashmere club that few men know about or understand these days.

Your Ballantyne is a goodie too. It will become an old friend before too long. Lucky.

You scored two items from the golden era of cashmere. Your Pringle would be 1980's and your Ballantyne looks to be no latter than the 80's either. Back then the cashmere didn't pill much, but these days it is a roll of the dice...sometimes it can pill a lot while other times it won't. Funny enough, none of my Loro Piana had pilled much, nor has most of my Brunello Cucinelli, however one thick Cucinelli cableknit has pilled quite a lot.

The Biggest surprise of all
I saw a 1980's Ballantyne cashmere polo that was for sale. It was for sale for over a year and no-one bought it because it looked so ugly in the photos. It was exactly my size but l resisted for over a year. I ended up buying it thinking it would be good to wear around the house in the morning when l first wake up. When l received it l got the biggest shock of my life, it was actually a beautiful masterpiece, and not just a masterpiece, but a thick plush 4 ply intarsia of beautiful design and colour. It is one of the best pieces l own, and no photo can do justice to how beautiful it really is. Here is the pattern, but it is not a boring grey, instead it is a beautiful warm chocolate and tan with red thrown in (camera can't pick it up).
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and a different stunning pattern when turned inside-out.
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Scottish cashmere lifestyle
Here is a video which sums up the Scottish cashmere lifestyle. These people knew about it and understood it.


Cashmere in this film supplied by all the top names:
- Ballantyne
- Pringle
- Braemar
- Barry (now own by Chanel)
- Glenmac
- J & D Mc George (made great garments once)

Back in a time when people dressed better and acted better and wore great knitwear. Life was more simple then. They didn't have a lot of stuff, but they had decent stuff.

Unmistakable cashmere drape. These folks know what it is all about.
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Pringle 1 ply turtleneck?
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Unmistakable classic cashmere drape. So soft that no wool can imitate that.
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Those Turtlenecks look very high quality, and nice high necks, so Ballantyne?
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Ballantyne turtleneck? Look at that lovely soft cashmere neck area, and so Scottish looking.
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Unmistakable cashmere drape
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A very classic intarsia back when life was more simple and people were better.
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This is a quick iPhone pic of a sweater I bought on eBay a few days ago
One of those I will not wear but will have pleasure to own...
I just appreciate the amount of work in the intarsia and the quality of the knit. It is from defunct Retailer Brainin of Bond street but maker is not specified
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That Pringle will be amazing, and it will give you so much comfort and luxury for years to come. This is what knitwear is all about. Same goes with my 4 ply Ballantyne, it is so plush and comfy. It makes life so much better when a man has these things. It's a special Scottish cashmere club that few men know about or understand these days.

Your Ballantyne is a goodie too. It will become an old friend before too long. Lucky.

You scored two items from the golden era of cashmere. Your Pringle would be 1980's and your Ballantyne looks to be no latter than the 80's either. Back then the cashmere didn't pill much, but these days it is a roll of the dice...sometimes it can pill a lot while other times it won't. Funny enough, none of my Loro Piana had pilled much, nor has most of my Brunello Cucinelli, however one thick Cucinelli cableknit has pilled quite a lot.

The Biggest surprise of all
I saw a 1980's Ballantyne cashmere polo that was for sale. It was for sale for over a year and no-one bought it because it looked so ugly in the photos. It was exactly my size but l resisted for over a year. I ended up buying it thinking it would be good to wear around the house in the morning when l first wake up. When l received it l got the biggest shock of my life, it was actually a beautiful masterpiece, and not just a masterpiece, but a thick plush 4 ply intarsia of beautiful design and colour. It is one of the best pieces l own, and no photo can do justice to how beautiful it really is. Here is the pattern, but it is not a boring grey, instead it is a beautiful warm chocolate and tan with red thrown in (camera can't pick it up).
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and a different stunning pattern when turned inside-out.
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Scottish cashmere lifestyle
Here is a video which sums up the Scottish cashmere lifestyle. These people knew about it and understood it.


Cashmere in this film supplied by all the top names:
- Ballantyne
- Pringle
- Braemar
- Barry (now own by Chanel)
- Glenmac
- J & D Mc George (made great garments once)

Back in a time when people dressed better and acted better and wore great knitwear. Life was more simple then. They didn't have a lot of stuff, but they had decent stuff.

Unmistakable cashmere drape. These folks know what it is all about.
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Pringle 1 ply turtleneck?
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Unmistakable classic cashmere drape. So soft that no wool can imitate that.
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Those Turtlenecks look very high quality, and nice high necks, so Ballantyne?
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Ballantyne turtleneck? Look at that lovely soft cashmere neck area, and so Scottish looking.
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Unmistakable cashmere drape
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A very classic intarsia back when life was more simple and people were better.
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‘..and so Scottish looking.’

It’s the red hair. Though the bird might actually be Joanna Lumley.

A good promotion though it’s dated now. The cashmere skirt must have cost a fortune. You wince when you see her leaning against a tree. I am not sure there many places left where you could wear all of that kit, though a jumper would be no problem.

Reminds me a bit of old tobacco ads. St. Bruno and that sort of thing. Probably because of the polo necks.
 

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This is a quick iPhone pic of a sweater I bought on eBay a few days ago
One of those I will not wear but will have pleasure to own...
I just appreciate the amount of work in the intarsia and the quality of the knit. It is from defunct Retailer Brainin of Bond street but maker is not specified
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I had opportunities to get those golf intarsia from both Pringle and Ballantyne in cashmere a few years ago. I passed, but I regret it now.
 

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I have another one on the way with intarsia on both from and back which is quite unusual I think.
Again, not for wearing but I just cannot resist!
 

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There are websites that post Ballantyne intarsia such as this one:


and this site from Ballanyne Crazy Yank

There is a Hermes/Ballantyne intarsia on there of a horse (navy white) in the above link. I almost bought that once.
 

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I have seen these, there are some really interesting pieces...
I wish I had access to more sources for vintage knits...
 

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Here are photos of a couple of sweaters I didn’t share previously
The first is a fairly standard argyle. I like the small parts with cable knit...
I also really like when there’s multiple labels

the second is a woman’s sweater from Johnston. I think the quality of the work is amazing, with lots of different knit patterns in the design
 

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Here is another golf sweater i just received
Lovely intarsia work on front and back as well as the sleeves.
I dont intend to wear it (it is not even my size).
It's just for the beauty of it
 

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Thanks. I really like the fact that it is in different shades of grey. Those fairly plain color make a nice contrast with a busy intarsia design.

Have you ever heard back from Loro Piana regarding the vicuna cardigan that was posted on ebay some time ago?
 

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Thanks. I really like the fact that it is in different shades of grey. Those fairly plain color make a nice contrast with a busy intarsia design.

Have you ever heard back from Loro Piana regarding the vicuna cardigan that was posted on ebay some time ago?
I did hear back from Loro Piana, but the employee who responded wasn't too interested and spoke like a politician. They said " With reference to your inquiry, we would like to inform you that the eBay is not an authorized Loro Piana online retailer. Furthermore, we would like to confirm that every item we sell, either at our stores or on our website, is 100% authentic".

Actually l replied back just now with this,so lets see if they have anything to say.
" Thanks for your reply, but what l would really like to know is this; have you ever made 6 ply vicuna knitwear? "

It has been freezing cold here in the southern parts of Australia, and last night was the coldest night in 7 years (about zero). My thick cashmere pieces have been a blessing. During the long weekend I noticed hardly anyone in the street outside, yet l spent hours outside doing things in the brisk air. I was warm as toast. I also had 4 ply alpaca socks and shell cordovan shoes.
 

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Bought something different to see what it is like. Have always been curious about knitwear from this company. Looks reasonably meaty. Some at Styleforum say it is as good as Brunello Cucinelli and Loro Piana. I think l will like it, my first one with a zip. Hope it's nice.

Borrelli cashmere.
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btw, saw some rare pieces from Tolaga Bay Cashmere Company.
Made-in-New Zealand.

I almost owned Tolaga bay cashmere some years ago. A shop held a piece for me but l never got around to travelling over the other side of town to pick it up. When l eventually decided to make the trip they had sold it. I still have some regrets about it. Said to be very good cashmere, but not quite as good as Scottish apparently.
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Some rare gems

Ballantyne with a mink fur collar
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Hermes made-in-Scotland (1980's apparently). Would have bought it if it wasn't so large.
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Ballantyne 1980's women's cardigan
- likely a 4 ply.

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with cashmere covered buttons

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Ballantyne by Loro Piana (said to be 1980s)
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What a nice collection of pretty unusual pieces!
Only once before have I seen loro piana and ballantyne combination!
And cashmere covered buttons are really rare too!
I’ve handled borrelli cashmere before and it seemed very good
Do you happen to know if the hermes cardigan is still available wherever you saw it ?
 

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What a nice collection of pretty unusual pieces!
Only once before have I seen loro piana and ballantyne combination!
And cashmere covered buttons are really rare too!
I’ve handled borrelli cashmere before and it seemed very good
Do you happen to know if the hermes cardigan is still available wherever you saw it ?
I found it!
 

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Currently wearing
* 1960's light blue Lyle & Scott cashmere turtleneck
* 1950's navy blue Ballantyne cardigan with mother-of-pearl buttons.
* tan cords

Real old school Scottish cashmere. No pilling to be seen on either garment, anywhere! My other 1950's Ballantyne cardigan is like that too, a stunning weave and tough as nails.

Some classic Ballantyne intarsias a bloke sold me once. They were party of his large collection. He also sold me various Pringle, Lyle & Scott and other Ballantynes from the 70's and 80's.
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Gorgeous!
Particularly the second one as far as my own taste is concerned. A really stunning piece !
 

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Off topic on a knitwear thread but this week end I picked up a pair of sunglasses I had commissioned custom made back in January
Things got delayed with covid and I had to wait until now for the final appointment for tiny adjustments
It’s a real pleasure to wear
 

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The tale of the two Berk 3 ply cashmere skivvies + my favourites.

Both come from Berk and look identical, however the brown one is produced for Berk (maybe Lockie) and has moderate pilling and is quite decent.

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The red one was made by Ballantyne for Berk and has little pilling and is outstanding. Both were bought new and are 2000's.

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My Hermes made-in-Scotland skivvy is even better again. It is thicker and more plush than my 3 ply Ballantynes. Never worn anything like it, a real jewel in my collection.
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I also have a Paul Stuart green 3 ply vintage cashmere turtleneck. That is as tough as old boots. Not one bit of pilling. A masterpiece, and likey by Ballantyne. One of the true great turtlenecks.
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I also have an new unworn 1980's Ballantyne green turtleneck that is stunning and tough as old boots. No pilling despite tough wear. One of the truly great turtlenecks.
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I also have a navy blue Ballantyne cashmere turtleneck that is as tough as old boots. A masterpiece from the 1980's. Was lucky to get it and far superior to anything made today. One of the truly great turtlenecks.
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Another great Ballantyne 3 ply cashmere turtleneck.
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I have many other great turtlenecks, but these are my favourites, and nearly all by Ballantyne.

Other great turtlenecks are:

- Laminar 6 ply cashmere made-in-Scotland grey (maybe 80's)
- Abercrombie & Fitch super heavy wool bone (1940's)
- Lyle & Scott light blue cashmere (1960's)
- Lyle & Scott bright red wool (1970's)
- bone Gladstone of Hawick cashmere


Other turtlenecks with honourable mentions
- light grey Ballantyne cashmere 1 ply
- fawn Ballantyne cashmere 1 ply
- fawn Pringle cashmere 1 ply
- purple Pringle cashmere
- bone Burberry's cashmere
- medium grey Burberry's cashmere
- grey Braemar cashmere
- red Club Room made-in-Scotland 1980's...good actually
- dark green J.D.Mc George LTD (unusual)
- bone Kiton cashmere
- medium blue Kiton cashmere
- Custom red wool Irish aran
- Custom nature brown wool Irish aran

Brunello Cucinelli, Malo, Tom Ford and Loro Piana are quite nice, but nothing on the great turtlenecks or honourable mentions listed above, however the Tom Ford and Brunello Cucinelli are all stunning.

I mentioned 3 turtlenecks being one of the truly great turtlenecks. Why? Because they are as tough as old boots and don't seem to pill at all. The typical Ballantyne unfinished cashmere, and constructed so tough. In a league of their own. Made to last a lifetime.

The Hermes is still my favourite despite not being like the 3 mentioned above. Why? Because it is the most luxuriously decadent cashmere l have ever felt. Seductive and soft and solid. Not made like above however....could be Lockie or Barrie making it to a very high standard.

All the great turtlenecks are made in Scotland.
All the honourable mentions are made in Scotland except for two Italian Kitons and two Irish custom arans.

Some of the made in Scotlands I have are only average such as vintage Bullock & Jones (still nice), but more recent Scottish Brooks Bros made-in-Scotland (Italian cashmere) are thin and flimsy and hardly get worn.

It's nice to have good ones.
 

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The Shooman

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Got a grail piece from Sydney tonight.

Ballantyne navy cashmere cardigan - 1980's.
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I have 3 navy cardigans and 3 navy v neck jumpers, all in cashmere and all vintage from Scotland.

Have a:
- 1950's Ballantyne cashmere navy cardigan.
- 1980's Ballantyne cashmere navy cardigan.
- 1960's Lyle & Scott cashmere navy cardigan (awesome).

Have a:
- recent Johnstons of Elgin cashmere navy jumper
- 1980's Pringle cashmere navy jumper
- 1960's Lyle & scott navy cashmere jumper (awesome)

White shirts and a navy cardigan = a good look l enjoy.
White shirts with navy cardigan and medium gray prince of wales check trousers - = superb.
 
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This sold for $861.00 U.S.
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I wrote to Loro Piana and sent them a link to the auction and asked if they have ever made 6 ply Vicuna. Will be interesting to see what they have to say.

The other thing l notice are the number people being conned by the word Vicuna. It is often used as a word to describe the colour and not the wool type. A number of people at S.F claim to be getting vicuna coats and scarves etc for $10 or $40, but that is highly unlikely. Lots of trickery going around that word.
Loro Piana replied back for the second time and they said:


Thank you for your message and please accept our apologies for not replying sooner, but we were waiting for a reply from our Product Room.

They informed us that knitwear made of vicuna worked in 6 ply is not available.

Seems like the 6 ply vicuna is non existent. Would be too expensive for a market.

Now l find this, looks like the seller has been banned. The only thing they ever tried to sell was this fake vicuna 6 ply.
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but he got banned:
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Good that Loro Piana finally provided you with a proper reply.
There were indeed too many alarm bells in this listing.
I had written to the seller to request photos... and he/ she was not keen at all to provide them... never a good sign
It is reassuring that ebay takes action in those cases
 

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A couple of recent acquisitions.
First is a nice staple, in mint condition and very substantial. Perhaps not quite to Hermes Scotland level but not far off
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I found it online. It was listed as cashmere so it went partially under the radar (I still paid more than a cashmere equivalent would have gone for)
But the label was clearly visible on the photos
 
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