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They're still there, all over twitter. I haven't got the time to scour twitter and snip their mad rantings. Go have a look yourself. However, if one nutter pops up in my feed that I think particularly egregious, I'll snip it and post it.
no they're not. vague nutters and loonies spouting some racist bullshit is not what we're talking about here.

Now, do you seriously think that, Labour politicians, Rabbis, academics, a large portion of the Jewish community &c have imagined the rise of anti-Semitism. Really? Do you think that these people would purposely sabotage their own party to allow the Tories to win. Really?
ah, now we're getting somewhere! do i think its imagined, no absolutely not. do i think they would sabotage their own party to let the tories win? yes, absolutely, if it meant keeping corbyn out of office.

Anti-semitism has always been present in Labour, albeit for many years on the fringes. I think rather than demanding that I, and others furnish you with evidence, that you, to borrow a phrase beloved of the 'woke' go and educate yourself.
is it on the fringes or is it rampant throughout labour? you guys really need to keep the line on this messaging.

i have no need of random evidence nor do i need to educate myself. if you can prove me wrong, great, I'll happily change my point of view on this. but you can't because this issue has completely gone away since the election ended and absolutely NOTHING has changed since then short of a few party members being sacked for pro-bds statements. so if antisemitism was such a problem for years on end, and all these rabbis, academics, and a large portion of the jewish community haven't imagined these things, where the fuck did all the nazis and antisemites go???
 

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so we're just at the denial stage on the pyramid. got it.
mmkay.
Anti-semitism doesn't exist in Labour. BDS is not anti-semitism. Who is in denial around here, oh dear Rambo Rambo

Also, from https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/electronic_intifada/

EI is an online platform that publishes viciously anti-Israel and antisemitic articles, promoting BDS campaigns, as well as the one-state formula. Founder Ali Abunimah has called Zionism “one of the worst forms of anti-Semitism in existence today” and claims “Supporting Zionism is not atonement for the Holocaust, but its continuation in spirit.”

EI does not publish financial information, reflecting a lack of transparency and accountability.

EI is responsible for a number of BDS “hoaxes,” listing unrelated developments as “victories. ”
  • In November 2010, EI reported that a Dutch pension fund “divested from almost all the Israeli companies in its portfolio,” calling it an “indicator for the success of the international [BDS] campaign.” A week later this was revealed to be a BDS hoax; investments were withdrawn from funds devoted to emerging markets because Israel had successfully joined the OECD.

  • EI submissions regularly utilize highly biased and politicized rhetoric, accusing Israel of “apartheid,” “ethnic cleansing,” “war crimes,” “crimes against humanity,” “genocide,” “massacres” and the “Judaization of Jerusalem.”
  • Posted a May 15, 2015 article by the Palestinian Boycott National Committee, calling the founding of the State of Israel a “Nakba” or “catastrophe,” and claiming that to “Palestinians everywhere, and in Gaza in particular, the 1948 Nakba is ongoing.” The article further accuses Israel of “war crimes,” “crimes against humanity,” and “violations of international law” and urges readers to take up the BDS call by “pressuring universities, banks and pension funds to divest from companies profiting from Israel’s occupation and war crimes” and “[p]ressure governments to impose military embargoes and trade sanctions” against Israel.
  • Publishes articles in which terrorist attacks are described as “allegedly” having taken place and condemning Israel for actions taken to protect the lives of civilians.

Ali Abunimah
  • Referred to Nobel laureate and holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as a “moral fraud and huckster.” (Twitter; March 3, 2015)
  • In response to an initiative to recognize Yom Kippur as an official United Nations holiday, Abunimah wrote, “Making Yom Kippur a UN holiday to honor the genocidal ‘state’ of Israel would be sure way to increase global anti-Jewish sentiment.” (Twitter; August 27, 2014)
  • He said that in order to actualize the “one-state” solution, “coercion is necessary.” He dismisses Jewish concerns of living under an Arab majority as “irrational, racist fears.”
  • During the 2014 Gaza War, Abunimah tweeted: “I again call on the EU to send guidance and targeting systems to defense forces in Gaza so resistance can hit ‘IDF’ terror bases accurately.” (July 7, 2014)
Go iron your tinfoil hat, my very-biased friend.
 

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mmkay.
Anti-semitism doesn't exist in Labour. BDS is not anti-semitism. Who is in denial around here, oh dear Rambo Rambo

Also, from https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/electronic_intifada/



Go iron your tinfoil hat, my very-biased friend.
wait, you think ali abunimah and the electronic intafada are antisemitic? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you guys are really too much.

still deflecting from the issue at hand. where did all the labour party nazis go???
 

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wait, you think ali abunimah and the electronic intafada are antisemitic? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you guys are really too much.

still deflecting from the issue at hand. where did all the labour party nazis go???
Rambo, you seem completely clueless as to how anti-Semitism manifests itself on the Left, and one of the indicators of this is that you keep referring to Nazis when we are talking about Left-wing anti-Semitism. Nazis are right-wing, not left. And I suspect you do this because you cannot and, will not, except that anti-Semitism exists on the Left.

The modern Left's (and I say modern because anti-semitism has always existed on the Left but prior to the 60s manifested itself through crude stereotypes along the lines that the Rothschilds controlled the world through finance) anti-Semitism finds its genesis in the 60s New Left where elements of the New Left came to view Israel as an imperialist, racist state. This is the intellectual milieu that was formative on Corbyn and his acolytes world view. So knowledge of the 60s New Left is essential in understanding this.

Now if you look at he origins of the BLM movement you will see a similar influence of the New Left there, and a similar trajectory. Why do you think BLM supports the Palestinian cause? I also believe synagogues were defaced during the recent riots.

Again, if you don't know the history of the New Left then, you really don't know and we are just going to go around and around in a Mobius like argument and I had enough of that with The Long-Bailey argument.
 

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wait, you think ali abunimah and the electronic intafada are antisemitic? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. you guys are really too much.

still deflecting from the issue at hand. where did all the labour party nazis go???
Wait do you agree with this:

'[...] Founder Ali Abunimah has called Zionism “one of the worst forms of anti-Semitism in existence today” and claims “Supporting Zionism is not atonement for the Holocaust, but its continuation in spirit.” [...]'
 

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Good article in The Guardian:

Source: https://www.theguardian.com

The shame of anti-semitism on the left has a long, malign history
Philip Spencer


The origins of today’s crisis in Labour date back to the 19th century, and ever since Jews have been seen as a problem by a strain of socialist thought

Demonstrators in Parliament Square protesting against antisemitism in the Labour party.

Demonstrators in Parliament Square protesting against antisemitism in the Labour party. Photograph: Wiktor Szymanowicz / Barcroft Images


So, we’re back to the “Jewish Question”? The current antisemitism crisis on the left has not come out of nowhere. Instead, it has its roots in a tradition on the left itself, which, at best, has always had difficulty in responding swiftly to antisemitism and, at worst, excused or condoned, even promoted it. It is not, of course, the only tradition on the left, but unless we understand this history, we won’t get very far in resolving today’s crisis.
We need, above all, to think about why some on the left have always seen Jews as a problem and why they have helped the idea of a “Jewish Question” to re-emerge with such potency. At root is the thought that if antisemitism exists, it must have something to do with how Jews supposedly behave. That supposed behaviour may be described in different ways – sometimes it has an economic character, sometimes a social one, sometimes a political one. But what is common is the idea that Jews are to blame for antisemitism and that to protest against them is understandable, or even necessary.

This first became a serious problem on the left in the late 19th century, as antisemitism first became a political force in the modern world. Some on the left flirted with the response that there might be something progressive about antisemitism: that it was a kind of anti-capitalism, however crude, which could be harnessed to the socialist cause. They also thought that philosemitism was more of a problem, because it supposedly encouraged Jews to make too much of (or even fabricate) antisemitism and to resist assimilation. One criticism of this approach at the time was to call it the “socialism of fools”, a problematic formulation because it suggested that antisemitism was still some kind of socialism.

As antisemitism was radicalised by the Nazis – it no longer being enough to exclude Jews when they should be wiped off the face of the Earth – this way of thinking made it difficult for too many on the left to prioritise solidarity with Jews. Neither the Social Democrats nor the Communists in Germany made opposition to antisemitism a major issue, nor did the Resistance across Europe. The fear was that to highlight the fight against antisemitism would alienate potential supporters. This is not to ignore some wonderful examples of solidarity, though the repeated invocations of Cable Street can give a misleading picture. The Communist party soon switched to loyally supporting the Hitler-Stalin pact, which effectively delivered large numbers of Jews up to the Nazis.

‘The repeated invocations of Cable Street [anti-facist demonstration] can give a misleading picture.’


‘The repeated invocations of Cable Street [the 1936 anti-facist demonstration in London] can give a misleading picture.’ Photograph: David Savill/Getty Images

When the Soviet Union was finally forced to fight the Nazis, the suffering of Jews was deliberately and repeatedly downplayed. But after the war, things got much worse. The Soviet Union not only suppressed knowledge of what had been done to Jews but launched its own vicious antisemitic project, one that would have culminated in another genocide had Stalin not died.

This campaign matters because it was around this time that some key elements of today’s antisemitism on the left were first formulated. The charge laid against Jews then was that they were cosmopolitans and Zionists. This may seem like a bizarre contradiction: how can one, after all, be both a cosmopolitan and a Zionist? But what connected them is the idea that Jews are a problem, that as cosmopolitans they are more loyal to each other across national borders and, as Zionists, are loyal to another, foreign state. The charge of cosmopolitanism is heard less frequently these days, though one finds echoes of it in the idea that Jews are responsible for the evils of globalisation. The charge of Zionism, though, has now become absolutely central to today’s version of the “Jewish Question”. What began as a Stalinist cry was taken up in some on the New Left, which helped shape the world view of Jeremy Corbyn and many of his supporters.

For both Stalinists and that part of the New Left, Zionism is a racist ideology that pits the interests of Jews against the interests of everyone else. Furthermore, the state of Israel is an integral part of the western imperialist power structure that exploits and oppresses the rest of the world and the Palestinians in particular, whose land Jews have plundered and colonised and whom they keep in a state of permanent subjugation.

The Soviet Union formulated its approach within the context of the cold war, when it often appeared to support anti-colonial, national liberation struggles, although only for strategic reasons. Those on the left who (rightly if often too uncritically) supported those struggles, especially in Vietnam, where the Americans were so clearly the enemy, slipped fatally, however, into embracing this anti-Zionism into their world view, even though the Israel-Palestine conflict had such clearly different roots.

At the same time, they found it unbearable to acknowledge what was glaringly obvious – that the establishment of the state of Israel was profoundly connected to the Holocaust, which had changed everything for Jews. To integrate anti-Zionism into an anti-imperialist, anti-western, anti-American world view therefore also meant either denying or (better) reinterpreting the Holocaust. Holocaust denial is not an accidental feature of today’s antisemitism, but it is more common to downplay what happened to Jews as Jews. So the Holocaust has to be thought about only in universal terms, as only one genocide among many and one that supposedly excludes the others. (Actually, of course, it is the other way around: thinking about the Holocaust helps people think about other genocides.) Indeed, some have gone further. Not content with accusing Israel of being like apartheid South Africa, it is supposedly guilty of genocide itself… against the Palestinians.

If such purported behaviour makes people antisemitic, it is understandable and part of a fundamentally progressive view of the world, which can be harnessed to the cause. We are back then to where we started, with Jews as the problem, only with this difference: what was previously attributed to Jews inside nation states is now attributed to the Jewish state on the international stage.

There has always been, though, another tradition on the left, which has never accepted the very idea of a “Jewish Question”. What it understands is that there is a question of antisemitism; that Jews are not responsible for antisemitism but antisemites are; that Jews are not a problem but antisemites are. Antisemitism is not something that should be excused or condoned. It has to be fought wherever it shows its face, even – and sadly now more than ever – when that face is on the left.


• Philip Spencer is emeritus professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Kingston University and a visiting professor in politics at Birkbeck College. He is the co-author with Robert Fine of Anti-Semitism and the Left: On the return of the Jewish Question, Manchester University Press, 2017
 

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The modern Left's (and I say modern because anti-semitism has always existed on the Left but prior to the 60s manifested itself through crude stereotypes along the lines that the Rothschilds controlled the world through finance) anti-Semitism finds its genesis in the 60s New Left where elements of the New Left came to view Israel as an imperialist, racist state. This is the intellectual milieu that was formative on Corbyn and his acolytes world view. So knowledge of the 60s New Left is essential in understanding this.
Good article in The Guardian:

...what was previously attributed to Jews inside nation states is now attributed to the Jewish state on the international stage.

I have absolutely no problem with believing that there is anti-Semitism on the left, although I consider that it is far, far more prevalent on the right/conservative side of politics.

However, the problem with discussing anti-Semitism and the left is that, as indicated by the above sentences in bold, virtually any criticism of Israel is labelled anti-Semitic. So when Labour/Labor politicians and party members decry Israel's actions towards Palestinians, for example, and point out that Israel is being hypocritical in its actions, that's all too often labelled as anti-Semitism, instead of as legitimate criticism of a state.

While anti-Semitism is abhorrent, the conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism has become very politically convenient for Israel.
 

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I have absolutely no problem with believing that there is anti-Semitism on the left, although I consider that it is far, far more prevalent on the right/conservative side of politics.

However, the problem with discussing anti-Semitism and the left is that, as indicated by the above sentences in bold, virtually any criticism of Israel is labelled anti-Semitic. So when Labour/Labor politicians and party members decry Israel's actions towards Palestinians, for example, and point out that Israel is being hypocritical in its actions, that's all too often labelled as anti-Semitism, instead of as legitimate criticism of a state.

While anti-Semitism is abhorrent, the conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism has become very politically convenient for Israel.
Personally I don't think that criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-Semitic, and I agree there are some who do say that in a crude attempt to shut down debate.

There are some criticisms however which are anti-Semitic. Belinmad above has found and posted a very good example of one for us:

'[...] Founder Ali Abunimah has called Zionism “one of the worst forms of anti-Semitism in existence today” and claims “Supporting Zionism is not atonement for the Holocaust, but its continuation in spirit.” [...]'

This claim, equating Zionism with Nazism is profoundly anti-Semitic but is a very popular belief amongst the characters that Corbyn and his ilk have, and still do associate with.
 

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Rambo, you seem completely clueless as to how anti-Semitism manifests itself on the Left, and one of the indicators of this is that you keep referring to Nazis when we are talking about Left-wing anti-Semitism. Nazis are right-wing, not left. And I suspect you do this because you cannot and, will not, except that anti-Semitism exists on the Left.
you are annoyingly literal, you know that? its what drives the overwhelming majority of these stupid discussions you keep having with me. 'oh the politician replied to the tweet and she literally meant this!' really? is that really what was going on there? 'oh you said nazis you're not reading the spectrum right!' really? is that really what i was getting after???

The modern Left's (and I say modern because anti-semitism has always existed on the Left but prior to the 60s manifested itself through crude stereotypes along the lines that the Rothschilds controlled the world through finance) anti-Semitism finds its genesis in the 60s New Left where elements of the New Left came to view Israel as an imperialist, racist state. This is the intellectual milieu that was formative on Corbyn and his acolytes world view. So knowledge of the 60s New Left is essential in understanding this.
wait, you DONT view israel as an imperialist, racist state?

aside from that particular silliness, this reads like something out of a douglas murray novel. im sure you've got as much understanding of the 'new left' as you do the 'left' in general right? this isn't some academic bullshit you're spinning to try to make whatever case you've got here?

so, putting ALL of this aside, where are the 'NEW LEFT' antisemites in the labour party now that the election is over? WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY ALL GO????
 

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you are annoyingly literal, you know that? its what drives the overwhelming majority of these stupid discussions you keep having with me. 'oh the politician replied to the tweet and she literally meant this!' really? is that really what was going on there? 'oh you said nazis you're not reading the spectrum right!' really? is that really what i was getting after???


wait, you DONT view israel as an imperialist, racist state?

aside from that particular silliness, this reads like something out of a douglas murray novel. im sure you've got as much understanding of the 'new left' as you do the 'left' in general right? this isn't some academic bullshit you're spinning to try to make whatever case you've got here?

so, putting ALL of this aside, where are the 'NEW LEFT' antisemites in the labour party now that the election is over? WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY ALL GO????
Some are still there, hammering away, weaving their ever more crazy fantasies and living the dream. But many left when Dear Leader was rejected and resigned.

Britain and the British Left were instrumental in setting the state of Israel up, As for your point about Israel being a imperialist, racist state. No, I don't think that, because that would make me an anti-semite, along with those who think that the state of Israel shouldn't even exist which is another view that is popular amongst acolytes of the New Left and equally anti-Semitic.


I cant be bothered to comment on the rest of your gibberish.
 

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by the way this is just the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted on this forum. by a WIDE MARGIN.
Only because you don't understand the point being made. Check out the views of the Movement of Black Lives a group which is affiliated with BLM who in August 2016 promulgated a common platform, its only foreign policy was that Israel must be shunned and destroyed as an ‘apartheid state’ that commits ‘genocide’ against the Palestinians.
 

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I have absolutely no problem with believing that there is anti-Semitism on the left
neither do i. there are people who hate jews for one reason or another in all walks of life and all political spectrum's.

Personally I don't think that criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-Semitic, and I agree there are some who do say that in a crude attempt to shut down debate.
this is literally what you've been doing with our arguments since we started, so i find it just a tad bit disingenuous that you're trying to play this card now.

There are some criticisms however which are anti-Semitic. Belinmad above has found and posted a very good example of one for us:

'[...] Founder Ali Abunimah has called Zionism “one of the worst forms of anti-Semitism in existence today” and claims “Supporting Zionism is not atonement for the Holocaust, but its continuation in spirit.” [...]'

This claim, equating Zionism with Nazism is profoundly anti-Semitic but is a very popular belief amongst the characters that Corbyn and his ilk have, and still do associate with.
Wait do you agree with this:

'[...] Founder Ali Abunimah has called Zionism “one of the worst forms of anti-Semitism in existence today” and claims “Supporting Zionism is not atonement for the Holocaust, but its continuation in spirit.” [...]'
does it matter? you're completely unable to read past anything i or anyone else says about this, so it kind of pointless.
 

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Also, have you also noticed that no one is coming to your defence?

Its like death by a thousand cuts, the only difference being that you're doing it yourself.

...but by all means, do carry on...its quite entertaining.
 

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Some are still there, hammering away, weaving their ever more crazy fantasies and living the dream. But many left when Dear Leader was rejected and resigned.
please, by all means, show us these bigots and racists. these statements are just another way for you to attempt to weasel out of this, the same way you've been doing for weeks now.

Britain and the British Left were instrumental in setting the state of Israel up, As for your point about Israel being a imperialist, racist state. No, I don't think that, because that would make me an anti-semite
no, no it wouldn't. jesus christ that is the entire point of all of this stupid bullshit we've been circling around here.

along with those who think that the state of Israel shouldn't even exist which is another view that is popular amongst acolytes of the New Left and equally anti-Semitic.
ugh this is just maddening. honestly you're worse than pimple.
 

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Also, have you also noticed that no one is coming to your defence?

Its like death by a thousand cuts, the only difference being that you're doing it yourself.

...but by all means, do carry on...its quite entertaining.
we've only got a few people even paying attention to these threads. trying to make me sound like im out on an island, given that fact, is pretty silly.
 

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we've only got a few people even paying attention to these threads. trying to make me sound like im out on an island, given that fact, is pretty silly.
No Rambo, no....trust me....I suspect there'll be a more than a few shaking their heads in disbelief at some of the crap you've just said. Some may even think that your anti-semitic, or have sympathies in that direction. I don't, I just think you just don't know what you are talking about.

And that's why I keep telling to read up on the history of anti-semitism and the Left, especially the New Left. Why, because for one it'll provide historical context and, for another, because I have.
 

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No Rambo, no....trust me....I suspect there'll be a more than a few shaking their heads in disbelief at some of the crap you've just said. Some may even think that your anti-semitic, or have sympathies in that direction. I don't, I just think you just don't know what you are talking about.

And that's why I keep telling to read up on the history of anti-semitism and the Left, especially the New Left. Why, because for one it'll provide historical context and, for another, because I have.
ah, i see the end goal here. kind of keep finessing the edges, work in from the sides, with the eventual goal of making ME out to be an antisemite. well, at least we know where you're headed with all this claptrap. just let me know when i should change my custom title to nazi in waiting.
And that's why I keep telling to read up on the history of anti-semitism and the Left, especially the New Left. Why, because for one it'll provide historical context and, for another, because I have.
this is a problem, not a good thing.
 

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please, by all means, show us these bigots and racists. these statements are just another way for you to attempt to weasel out of this, the same way you've been doing for weeks now.
I think I've already answered this a bit back. I'll happily do so, when the crazzies stick their heads over the parapet, or my attention is drawn to them. But, as previously said I don't have time to go looking for them, but again, as previously said, if I come across any I'll happily post them here and draw your attention to them.
 

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ah, i see the end goal here. kind of keep finessing the edges, work in from the sides, with the eventual goal of making ME out to be an antisemite. well, at least we know where you're headed with all this claptrap. just let me know when i should change my custom title to nazi in waiting.

this is a problem, not a good thing.
I am NOT attempting to make you look like an anti-semite, you're doing that yourself. What I'm trying to do, is quite the opposite and the reason I keep imploring you to read up on the subject.

Quoting sources that believe that Israel is a racist, imperialist apartheid state, or doesn't even have the right to exist is not a good look.
 

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I think I've already answered this a bit back. I'll happily do so, when the crazzies stick their heads over the parapet, or my attention is drawn to them. But, as previously said I don't have time to go looking for them, but again, as previously said, if I come across any I'll happily post them here and draw your attention to them.
ah yes. so before it was that antisemitism was absolutely rampant in the party and was a scourge to british society, thus we couldn't elect corbyn. now, much like the vaunted groundhog, they only pop up once every year to tell us how jews are going to ruin society. the intellectual inconsistency with which you operate here is pretty spectacular.

and of course you're completely unable to see even the possiblity that i could be right about this. no, of course not. thats not possible.

I am NOT attempting to make you look like an anti-semite, you're doing that yourself. What I'm trying to do, is quite the opposite and the reason I keep imploring you to read up on the subject.

Quoting sources that believe that Israel is a racist, imperialist apartheid state, or doesn't even have the right to exist is not a good look.
yes because i'm pro bds and i had the temerity to quote the electronic intifada article. hang on, let me go break out my SS uniform. this is so stupid.
 

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ah yes. so before it was that antisemitism was absolutely rampant in the party and was a scourge to british society, thus we couldn't elect corbyn. now, much like the vaunted groundhog, they only pop up once every year to tell us how jews are going to ruin society. the intellectual inconsistency with which you operate here is pretty spectacular.

and of course you're completely unable to see even the possiblity that i could be right about this. no, of course not. thats not possible.


yes because i'm pro bds and i had the temerity to quote the electronic intifada article. hang on, let me go break out my SS uniform. this is so stupid.
Again, Corbyn and his acolytes are no longer in control of the Labour Party machinery. There is a EHRC (the only other party to be invesigated by the EHRC is the far-right BNP!) report on Labour anti-Semitism, which is due out later this year I think. That'll make interesting reading.

To equate Zionism with Nazism, that is the Jewish longing for a homeland where they can live a Jewish life without fear of persecution with a regime whose central aim was to exterminate every last one of them, is as deeply offensive as it is deeply anti-Semitic.

This should not need to be pointed out to you.
 
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As for your point about Israel being a imperialist, racist state. No, I don't think that, because that would make me an anti-semite,
No, it wouldn't.

Why would it? You would be criticising the actions of Israel, which is a state, not the Jews, who are a people/religion/culture and who, incidentally, are far more widespread than Israel. Incidentally, Israel is not just a Jewish state - about 20% of the population are Arab/non-Jewish.

This, as I have said before, is the problem with criticism of Israel and its policies - it is tarred as anti-Semitism because Israel is so closely identified with "Jewishness". As I've also mentioned before, there can be elements of anti-Semitism involved in criticism of Israel - but to reflexively regard criticism of Israel as being anti-Semitic is, I think, wrong.

Let's think of a different example - China.

China has been criticised a lot lately - occupation of Tibet and erasure of local culture by importing Han Chinese; concentration camps for Uighur muslims, occupying reef outcrops in the South China Sea and so on (to say nothing of the COVID-19 coronavirus). So, if I criticise China for its actions or policies in regard to those things, am I anti-Chinese people? Am I racist? Or am I simply being critical of a state, not a race of people?

What do you think?
 

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This should keep you guys going at it for a few more weeks:

here's your performative horseshit for the day:

(JTA) — Four years ago, the Movement for Black Lives put out a platform that, among a long list of detailed policy recommendations, accused Israel of genocide.


Several major Jewish organizations expressed their outrage and put out statements condemning the platform.


On Friday, the Movement for Black Lives is convening a Black National Convention, where it’s going to unveil another policy platform. A 10-page summary of the 2020 platform obtained by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency contains no mention of Israel, Zionism, Palestinian rights or the movement to boycott Israel.


A representative of the Movement for Black Lives who spoke with JTA could not say for certain whether the full platform would include any mention of Israel.


But to hundreds of Jewish organizations across the country, that question doesn’t seem to matter as much as it used to. On Friday morning, a Jewish statement in support of Black Lives Matter appeared in a full-page New York Times ad, signed by more than 600 national and local Jewish groups and synagogues, including a major umbrella body and three of the four major Jewish religious movements.


“We speak with one voice when we say, unequivocally: Black Lives Matter,” said the statement, which was first published in June. “The Black Lives Matter movement is the current day Civil Rights movement in this country, and it is our best chance at equity and justice.”
because if the summary had those statements in it the jewish organizations wouldn't have been caught dead making a statement like that.
 

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The hope is if you keep repeating something it will gain credibility.


The ‘my country right or wrong’ crowd believe they can fool most of the people all of the time.
 

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Meanwhile, looks like Trump is going to storm the election on the Law & Order ticket.

I was listening to the BBC World Service on Friday, they were contorting themselves into ever more ridiculous positions trying to pass off the anarchy and rioting in American cities as legitimate protest. The global elite is decadent as fuck.
 

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Meanwhile, looks like Trump is going to storm the election on the Law & Order ticket.

I was listening to the BBC World Service on Friday, they were contorting themselves into ever more ridiculous positions trying to pass off the anarchy and rioting in American cities as legitimate protest. The global elite is decadent as fuck.
Gotta agree on both counts there.
 

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Meanwhile, looks like Trump is going to storm the election on the Law & Order ticket.

I wouldn't say storm but he isn't trailing by double digits after the convention which even liberal media admitted was better than the all virtual Democrat one. Admittedly he doesn't need to win the popular vote this time around either. He just needs more electoral votes from the interior less populated states and make some progress in a few of the swing states he carried from last time.
 

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Corbyn’s brother seems comfortable rubbing shoulders with fascists and antisemites.


Gotta admit if I saw this flag somewhere, my first thought would be comic book super hero emblem and not Oswald Mosley’s lot:

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He's gone a bit barmy has Corbyn's brother, but then again, the whole family was bit creepy and odd. Including the parents.

Whilst David Icke has been right on some things, notably Jimmy Savile, who was most definitely into the black arts. Hanging around with that shell suited knob head is not a good idea.

I wouldn't say storm but he isn't trailing by double digits after the convention which even liberal media admitted was better than the all virtual Democrat one. Admittedly he doesn't need to win the popular vote this time around either. He just needs more electoral votes from the interior less populated states and make some progress in a few of the swing states he carried from last time.
This is how they will win with positive messages and stances:

 
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