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formby002

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Are these 'Conservatives' arguing for a completely free market? Which is a theoretical construct or are they arguing for light(er) touch regulation.

There also seems to be a difference between what Americans call Consevatives and what the British call Conservatives. A true Conservative would allow for a certain amount of regulation. The American Conservative position (as you define it) seems to be that of a Classical Liberal.
 

Pimpernel Smith

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I see that you still possess your gift for hyperbole!

Trump literally has the biggest bully pulpit in the world. He has a full-time press secretary and a cadre of communications staff. He has the White House website at his command. If he picks up the phone and calls a TV or radio station, he can be broadcast across any news channel he chooses. If he issues a press release, it will be published on the internet and across newspapers. If he holds a press conference, it will be broadcast across TV and the internet for billions to watch.

And this is the person you say has been erased...
Yes, he's been erased from several platforms and not only the mainstream news media. But they've made him a martyr now.

Conspiracy theories confirmed. The sinister machinations of Big Tech.
Democratic Governments always tell companies what they can and, cannot do (there would be no need for the lobbying industry if this was not the case). No company is allowed to act with impunity, even though some would like to think that they can...
Washington DC doesn't work like that. The whole city runs on well paid lobbyists. Big business, we have no equivalence in the UK or Europe.
The FBI have release security cam pic of another Miss Guided Patriot:

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Looks like Antifa from the hooded uniform. Could be wrong.
 

doghouse

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Are these 'Conservatives' arguing for a completely free market?

I say this with all due respect, but have you ever had even a passing glance at American conservatism? Legal orders to serve blacks were considered communism.

Laissez-faire capitalism is a highly regulated socialist state compared to Republican rhetoric
 

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I say this with all due respect, but have you ever had even a passing glance at American conservatism? Legal orders to serve blacks were considered communism.

Laissez-faire capitalism is a highly regulated socialist state compared to Republican rhetoric
Paleoconservativism provided a lot of the tenets adopted by Trump. It would mostly suit me, provided they did not attempt to privatise the NHS.

It is very different to the neoconservative, war monger approach. It has a protectionist approach to the country’s industry and a big emphasis on social conservatism which allegedly conservative parties - not least The Tories -seem to have abandoned.

Paleos would not conserve much as they consider root and branch reform is necessary.
 

formby002

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I say this with all due respect, but have you ever had even a passing glance at American conservatism? Legal orders to serve blacks were considered communism.

Laissez-faire capitalism is a highly regulated socialist state compared to Republican rhetoric
Well, you could construct a Liberal argument as to why a business should be allowed to serve who it wants. Its a coercion argument. That is not an exclusively a Conservative position.
 

formby002

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Paleoconservativism provided a lot of the tenets adopted by Trump. It would mostly suit me, provided they did not attempt to privatise the NHS.

It is very different to the neoconservative, war monger approach. It has a protectionist approach to the country’s industry and a big emphasis on social conservatism which allegedly conservative parties - not least The Tories -seem to have abandoned.

Paleos would not conserve much as they consider root and branch reform is necessary.
Paleo's strike me a closer to what I consider a Conservative position. Dogsta's definition (and he maybe correct as regarding the position of let's call them Republican Conservatives) is closer to a what I consider a Classical Liberal position.

Neoconservatives are inverted-Marxists.
 

Dropbear

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Republicans tend to alternate between libertarianism and conservatism, depending which benefits them in a given circumstance, without ever really understanding the contradictions.
 

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Could be wrong.

Yup.

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formby002

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Republicans tend to alternate between libertarianism and conservatism, depending which benefits them in a given circumstance, without ever really understanding the contradictions.
That is true of the British Conservative Party too. Tories and Liberals or roughly Wets and Dries in Thatcherite terms.
 

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Video of mob beating the officer to death. Spoilered because of nature of video.
 

Dropbear

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"Hang Mike Pence" the insurrectionists chanted, as can be clearly heard at 0:45 in the audio clip on this story:
That's what being a loyal lapdog to Trump will get you. Little wonder they haven’t spoken to each other all week!

 

Pimpernel Smith

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Video of mob beating the officer to death. Spoilered because of nature of video.

All those involved need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Trump's failure was not to have the foresight to know that it was all going to go dreadfully wrong with the rally. He did tell everyone to go home in peace and respect the law, for which he was promptly de-platformed for.

I have a subscription to the The Telegraph in the UK, they've had a number of opinion pieces on the events in Washington DC last week. In all the ones I've read they've closed the comments very quickly. The bulk of the comments draw attention to the fact that political violence has been a staple of America these last 10 months and so the feigned outrage is a bit fake, as it's part and parcel of a Banana Republic. That's what the Brit readership think, which clearly isn't to The Telegraph's reality script.

I noted that Pelosi has lost no time in stating that the protestors/rioters/insurrectionists had fallen back on their ''Whiteness''. It's like there's a deliberate plan to create a schism between the races. Why would that be? I don't need an answer, it's already clear.
 

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The FBI Field Office here is currently doing ‘knock and talk’ visits to warn some of the more dangerous Trumpist militias that they need to cool it or they will be arrested. They made a point of saying it is independent of the big Parler dump - they were monitoring that site long before the terrorists attack last week.
 
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