The War in the Ukraine

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Never mind evacuating civilians out of Lysychansk but I'm surprised Ukrainian soldiers are heading into Lysychansk. It seems pretty much a lost cause now.
 

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“'I am ready to protest,' said Viktoriia Bilan-Rashchuk, 43, of Kyiv, whose husband, Volodymyr, a theater actor with no previous military experience, is fighting on the eastern front line in Sievierodonetsk. Last month, she said, she raised money to send his unit protective headphones — standard military equipment used to prevent hearing loss for soldiers firing off rocket systems."

"Luiza Dorner, 25, of Kyiv, whose husband is fighting in the Donbas region, said statements from Zelenskyy and other government officials have started to ring hollow. When she talks to her husband on the phone, she said, she can hear the fear and exhaustion in his voice.

Svitlana Lukianenko, whose husband worked in information technology before the war but is now fighting near Sievierodonetsk, worries the Ukrainian military is not replacing the dead and injured soldiers fast enough, leaving her husband at greater risk with each passing day.

Igor Khort, who is in charge of training for the Territorial Defense Force, the volunteer unit of the Ukrainian army, said they only have the capacity to train roughly 120 people each week in Kyiv, the capital and largest city. New soldiers get just five days of training before being sent to the battlefield, he said."

"Olena Zhabyak-Sheremet, 52, said her husband joined the force when the war started under the impression he would serve in the Lviv area working at checkpoints. But at the beginning of April, he was told to pack his bag to head east. If he refused, she said, commanders threatened to label him a deserter. She has not seen him since.

'No one even taught him how to shoot,' she said. 'Out of the blue, he was sent into the thick of it.'"
 

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“Pro-Russian rebels allied with the Russian army say they have moved into parts of Lysychansk, the city facing Severodonetsk across the Siversky Donets river. But Ukrainian officials have not confirmed that.”

Given Bakhmut was already under pressure where will the new front line be…Sloviansk. Kramatorsk.
 

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Echoing a few posts I made in this thread for the past month.
 

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I believe Russia running out of Russians may be the most concerning for Russia. Everything else they have China, India and the former republics to lean on.
Putin is engaged in a long play - cancer and other ailments permitting - he's not answerable to anyone and isn't constrained by unacceptable casualty numbers. He may yet run out of generals though. Have you seen that big fat fuck they've brought out of retirement? He'll be zeroed in on rest assured of that, if only for the comic potential in blowing him up all spreading fat all over his entourage.

That was very intriguing Putin's race through the city on Saturday night. What mischief is he planning?
 

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I believe Russia running out of Russians may be the most concerning for Russia. Everything else they have China, India and the former republics to lean on.
Man, it's their whole MO. They invented the Human Wave Attack™.
 

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Man, it's their whole MO. They invented the Human Wave Attack™.

Yes, but for an ageing population that is about to walk off the demographic cliff like Italy and China it is not hopeful. Women still outnumber men (which is indicative they never recovered from WW2) and since the fall of the USSR the life expectancy for men is declining.

At least if China was facing the same challenge you could say they have an artificially large male population ...before they also walk off a demographic cliff.
 

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"Speaking to Reuters news agency after reaching safety in the town of Sloviansk, a Ukrainian soldier said to be one of the last to leave Severodonetsk described his feelings about having to retreat.

'It was a shame of course because a lot of effort was put into defending it - it went on for months,' said Danylo, 24. 'But... we're not too upset as we also want to live.'"
 

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According to the 19 year old at 4:50 they were crushed at Severodonetsk



And 3:23 the remaining Lysychansk residents blame the Ukrainian government.
 

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"Ships have then often headed on to Syria or Turkey.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has said they have investigated claims about Ukrainian grain being shipped to Turkey and so far not found any evidence.

'We saw that the ships' port of departure and the origin of the goods is Russia on the records,' he said."
 

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"Railway tracks and electricity lines in the northern city of Kharkiv were damaged in a series of attacks. No casualties were reported."

"The southern city of Mykolaiv - on a key route to the port city of Odesa - was shaken by several explosions."

"Slovyansk, a major Donbas city held by Ukrainian forces, has also been shelled again by the Russians. Its mayor Vadym Lyakh said banned Russian cluster munitions killed four people there - another claim the BBC was unable to verify."

Running out of missiles and munitions those Russians.
 

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Residents of Lysychansk welcoming liberation by Russia with flowers.
 

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"Oleksiy, a member of the Ukrainian army who started fighting against the Moscow-backed separatists in 2016, had just returned from the front with a heavy limp. He said he was wounded on the battlefield in Zolote, a town the Russians also have since occupied.

'On the TV, they are showing beautiful pictures of the front lines, the solidarity, the army, but the reality is very different' he said, adding he does not think the delivery of more Western weapons would change the course of the war.

His battalion started running out of ammunition within a few weeks, Oleksiy said. At one point, the relentless shelling kept the soldiers from standing up in the trenches, he said, exhaustion visible on his lined face.

'The commanders don’t care if you are psychologically broken. If you have a working heart, if you have arms and legs, you have to go back in,' he added.

Two other soldiers the AP interviewed — former office-workers in Kyiv with no prior battle experience — said they were sent to the front lines in the east as soon as they completed their initial training. They said they observed 'terrible organization' and 'illogical decision-making,' and many people in their battalion refused to fight.

One of the soldiers said he smokes marijuana daily. 'Otherwise, I would lose my mind, I would desert. It’s the only way I can cope' he said."

Does the government give you the weed or you're foraging for it or ordering online to have it delivered?
 

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Why is no one except Fwiff posting in this thread anymore now that the Ukrainians are being pummeled?

More to the point, why doesn't the West mind it's own business - literally - as Russia will be pumping oil and selling grain to get that sweet, sweet foreign currency to pay for the war, and I think we could all use some cheaper food and energy bills right now.

Nah, better to sacrifice your own countrymen for a misguided principle!
 

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Why is no one except Fwiff posting in this thread anymore now that the Ukrainians are being pummeled?

More to the point, why doesn't the West mind it's own business - literally - as Russia will be pumping oil and selling grain to get that sweet, sweet foreign currency to pay for the war, and I think we could all use some cheaper food and energy bills right now.

Nah, better to sacrifice your own countrymen for a misguided principle!
I can't now, with some exceptions. Loose lips and all of that.
 

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Lol you're a fucking knob.
Who's the biggest knob, the knob or the cretin who feels the need he has to engage with him.

You know nothing about the Ukraine or Putin. You're a Russian apologist alright. That makes you an armchair fascist dick.

So, yes LOL you knob head gobshite.
 

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"The defeat of the Russian attack on Kyiv shows what happens when tanks are inexpertly deployed by a force that cannot do combined arms warfare (combining tanks with infantry, artillery and aircraft) and has weak logistics."

"The tank - one of the iconic symbols of modern warfare - has both its critics and defenders. In the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, Armenia's tanks got decimated by Azerbaijan's Turkish-made drones. In Libya, these same drones, the TB2 Bayraktar, inflicted serious losses on the forces of General Haftar, while in Syria, government tanks also fell prey to the Turkish drones."

I'm sure Armenia, Libya and Syria were aware of combined arms from WW2 Blitzkrieg. Having the resources and know how to carry it out is another matter.
 

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"The defeat of the Russian attack on Kyiv shows what happens when tanks are inexpertly deployed by a force that cannot do combined arms warfare (combining tanks with infantry, artillery and aircraft) and has weak logistics."

"The tank - one of the iconic symbols of modern warfare - has both its critics and defenders. In the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, Armenia's tanks got decimated by Azerbaijan's Turkish-made drones. In Libya, these same drones, the TB2 Bayraktar, inflicted serious losses on the forces of General Haftar, while in Syria, government tanks also fell prey to the Turkish drones."

I'm sure Armenia, Libya and Syria were aware of combined arms from WW2 Blitzkrieg. Having the resources and know how to carry it out is another matter.

These things go in cycles, as technology advances in leaps.

In the late 80s we were being told that rotary wing ATGMs would rule the battlefield, hunting armour. Then some big NATO exercise went down and the observers came back white faced and re-wrote the doctrine pulling, the attack helicopters back and pushing tanks again. The new manpads did a lot better at taking out slow moving helicopters than anyone expected.
 
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