The War in the Ukraine

Who Will Win

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Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov:


– charges dropped against Prigozhin, who will leave Russia for Belarus [to meet a slow and painful death from ingesting radioactive material]


– Wagner fighters who didn't take part in the uprising will sign contracts with the MOD [no word on whether the cannon fodder will be issued weapons]


– Wagner fighters who did take part not charged [and are free to chose between exile, the gulag and conscription]


– No word on potential MOD leadership changes [a new group of corrupt and incompetent generals will replace the existing ones]
 
Anyone remember the "coup" in Turkey, attempted by a few k conscripts thinking they were on an excercise while Erdogan wasn't even in the country?
 
Anyone remember the "coup" in Turkey, attempted by a few k conscripts thinking they were on an excercise while Erdogan wasn't even in the country?
I recall a higher body count on that one, though it’s probably fairly even as Wagner shot down a plane and several helicopters on the way.
 

"Other senior officials in Kyiv say they are convinced that Mr Putin is opposed by informal but organised networks of disenchanted insiders.

In his office, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, told the BBC that 'Prigozhin is not the most senior. They might become the new political elite'"

And as Ukrainians we will support the liberation of Russia and help the new elite secure peace on Russian soil starting with Belgogrod.
 
 

I thought this was a pretty good depiction of things given it comes from a newspaper. It looks even better on an iPad.
 

"Our kamikaze drone hit [our own] car. We have one dead, another injured. Get the [expletive] out of there."

"The [soldiers] are running away. Some of them are stealing cars… 50 people have fled. They [expletive] ran away…"
 
🇺🇦 🇷🇺 Ukrainian President Zelensky has been very clear that he will not accept a “frozen conflict” in Ukraine, such as what happened after the 2014 Donbas Crisis, which resulted in the seizure of Crimea and the majority of the Ukrainian Navy. However, while he has repeated that he will not cede the four oblasts (Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donestk, and Luhansk), he has left some strategic ambiguity on the issue of Crimea. While he has been cited privately and amongst foreign leaders as saying one of his goals is the recapture of Crimea, a Russian red-line, he rarely spoken decisively on the issue until now.
In an interview with CNN, the embattled president told viewers that: “”We cannot imagine Ukraine without Crimea. And as long as Crimea is under Russian occupation, this means only one thing: the war is not over yet.”

He added that an end to the conflict without Ukrainian control of Crimea: “it will not be a victory.”

He also commented on his surprise and displeasure with the coverage of CIA Director Burns’ visits to Ukraine. He said:

“My communication with the head of the CIA must always remain off-screen,” he said. “We are discussing important things – what Ukraine needs and how Ukraine is ready to act…We don’t have any secrets from the CIA, because we have good relations, and our special services talk to each other,” Zelenskyy said.
“The situation is quite simple. We have a good relationship with the head of the CIA, and we are talking. I told him about all the important things related to the battlefield that we need.” - ATLAS NEWS
 
He added that an end to the conflict without Ukrainian control of Crimea: “it will not be a victory.”

Good luck with that. You're going to have to institute some purges of the civilian population as they imported a lot of people in nearly 10 years of rule and the existing population in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014 didn't have too many issues with foreign rule anyway other than dragging the men into militias.
 
Good luck with that. You're going to have to institute some purges of the civilian population as they imported a lot of people in nearly 10 years of rule and the existing population in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014 didn't have too many issues with foreign rule anyway other than dragging the men into militias.
True for now, but given the choice of a failed Russia state post-Putin and a victorious Westward-facing Ukraine it might be different.

People said the same thing about the Baltics, East Germany and Poland after the Cold War.
 
Ukraine's counteroffensive struggles against Russian fortifications, airpower

"A recent New York Times article reported that Ukraine is yet to deploy most of the 40,000 Western-trained and -equipped troops it had shepherded for the campaign.

The 68th Brigade itself has been in action for almost the entire war, defeating a major Russian armoured assault on the town of Vuhledar in February.

'From November through February, the enemy attacked again and again, near Vuhledar and Pavlika,' Dolphin said. 'My unit took [one of the main] roads under control and didn't let the enemy approach, but there were a lot of losses. Out of 420 soldiers, we lost 100 killed and injured, including, unfortunately, the best ones.'

Despite those heavy losses, the 68th was given a leading role in the ongoing offensive. Another brigade, the 72nd, was transferred to hold the Vuhledar sector as the 68th moved from defence to offence. The 68th has achieved some results, liberating the village of Blahodatne on June 11.

The 68th is still licking its wounds. A group of 25 draftees, brought in to replace those lost of the winter, is currently receiving a crash course in battlefield tactics, learning whatever it can over the course of just two weeks before deployment.

'It reminds me of the Germans in 1945,' Dolphin said of these still-green recruits, who will be on the front lines in less than a week. 'Here is a group that has never served. Two weeks are not enough, but we don't have time.'"

There are Western-trained, western-equipped troops....and cannon fodder probing troops?
 
Many assumed average Russians would sour on war in Ukraine. That hasn't happened

"'I know lots of people, and I see lots of people on the internet who are saying, 'Well, I used to support Ukraine, but I see that they truly hate us,' Gritsenko said. Gritsenko, 21, said while she doesn't have 'blind support' for the Russian government, she believes that as an Orthodox Christian, she has a responsibility to do her part and help those in need, including Russian soldiers. '"

"When asked about those who oppose his group and instead call for young people to protest the war, he dismisses that suggestion. 'The situation with all this protest will be even worse,' he said. 'Better to consolidate with the government and simply to feel united.'"

New Patriots: "...who are rooting for Russia and in some cases justifying the war, even if they didn't initially agree with it. 'They do not really believe that Russia's victory will bring real positive change in Russian society, they just feel that if Russia loses, it will be much, much worse,'"
 

"In a high-level example of the back-channel diplomacy taking place behind the scenes, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met with members of the group for several hours in April in New York, four former officials and two current officials told NBC News."

Lavrov came to New York? I thought Putin and his senior cabinet ministers were all sanctioned from arriving. Did he fly to Turkey and then switch flights to Turkish Airlines?

"As part of the effort, at least one former U.S. official has traveled to Russia for discussions involving the Ukraine war, two of the individuals said."
 

"I'm tempted to divide these differing perspectives into three broad groups: those who see Russia's defensive lines as if they're made of tin, those who see them as wood, and those who imagine them as glass.....It is notable that the gloomier perspectives regarding Ukraine's counter-offensive tend to come from soldiers closest to the frontlines and most heavily involved in combat operations."

Tin:
"I think this war will not be resolved in the battlefield. It will end with a political deal," he said gloomily.
"Without more [Western] help, I think we might lose this game,"...."These Russians… there are a lot [of them]. They have many anti-tank guns and missile systems," he said.

Wood:
"I'm a realist, although some people call me a pessimist," said Artem, a 36-year-old soldier, as a Ukrainian jet roared overhead. His view was that Russian troop morale was low, and that Ukraine was likely to make some significant breakthroughs in the coming months. But he could not see the counter-offensive turning into a rout, like it briefly did last November.

Glass:
"The view - widely held by prominent western military analysts like Mick Ryan and generals like UK armed forces chief Sir Tony Radakin - that the counter-offensive is on course and that in weeks, or months, Russia's defences will shatter, allowing Ukraine to seize strategically significant territory and to advance close to (if not into) the Crimean Peninsular."
 
For being anointed as "the good guys" in most of the Western media, the Banderites do seem to be partial to assassination and terror tactics!
 
All can be forgiven when you're acting in defence of democracy, self-determination, and righteousness.
 

"There is a slight word of caution here, which is that whether we like it or not people want to see gratitude...My counsel to the Ukrainians is sometimes you're persuading countries to give up their own stocks [of weapons] and yes the war is a noble war and yes we see it as you doing a war for - not just yourself - but our freedoms. But sometimes you've got to persuade lawmakers on the Hill in America, you've got to persuade doubting politicians in other countries that you know that it's worth it and it's worthwhile and that they're getting something for it. And whether you like that or not, that is just the reality of it."

Zelensky might need to change his grumble approach.

"Mr Wallace said you sometimes hear 'grumbles' from American politicians - not the administration - about support to Ukraine that 'we've given $83bn worth or whatever [and] you know, we're not Amazon.' The defence secretary said he too had told the Ukrainians in June last year that the UK was not the online delivery service when it came to supplying arms. 'I said to the Ukrainians last year, when I drove 11 hours to [Kyiv to] be given a list - I said, I am not Amazon.'"

Where's my Prime shipping Mr. Wallace? I need it same day.
 

"Lt Gen Tsokov was deputy commander of Russia's southern military district. Ms Skabeyeva who presents a talk show on the state-run Rossiya-1 channel said he was killed by a UK-supplied Storm Shadow missile."

Well, Dropbear guessed wrong. They used it to shoot VIP targets - not bridges and big infrastructure.
 

"Among the issues Maj Gen Popov said he highlighted to his superiors were the lack of proper counter battery systems to help repel Ukrainian artillery attacks, as well as a lack of military intelligence."

That's strange. The Ukrainians keep saying the Russians aren't running out of artillery shells and support on the front lines any time soon.
 
From all I can gather, the Ukrainians have been suffering fearful casualties--largely from Russian mines and artillery--in their recent offensive and have been resorting to press-gang tactics to replenish their losses, taking disabled guys and whatnot to replenish their diminished ranks. It's sort of looking as if "The West" is backing a losing horse.

On another note, I see that the notorious Azov Brigade has ties to the Atomwaffen Division. Even by Neo-Nazi standards those guys seem awfully crazy and extreme. They make George Lincoln Rockwell and his American Nazi Party almost look like nice moderates by comparison. Actually there was a split in the American Nazi Party, with the extremists claiming Rockwell and his followers were "soft-hearted pantywaists." They started a publication called Kill! The main point of difference was the Rockwell faction only believed in killing Jews guilty of "Communist and Zionist treason" while the radical faction favored exterminating all Jews on biological grounds. One of the latter group, ironically, was a Jew. He killed himself when his Jewish background was going to be revealed. At least he was philosophically consistent! Another of the radical Nazis, John Patler assassinated Rockwell, for which crime he served eight years...seems like a rather lenient sentence for a clear-cut case of first-degree murder!
 
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From all I can gather, the Ukrainians have been suffering fearful casualties--largely from Russian mines and artillery--in their recent offensive and have been resorting to press-gang tactics to replenish their losses, taking disabled guys and whatnot to replenish their diminished ranks. It's sort of looking as if "The West" is backing a losing horse.

I wouldn't know first hand because I wasn't alive at that time but it looks and sounds increasingly like South Vietnam.

The US intelligence leaks from earlier in the year show even the US doesn't understand how Ukraine will "win" and certainly not win on Zelensky's terms of going back to pre-2014 borders. That Lavrov came secretly to New York in April to discuss with US officials (without Ukraine) hints that depleting years of accumulated ammunition stocks isn't sustainable.


One of the latter group, ironically, was a Jew. He killed himself when his Jewish background was going to be revealed.

That's weird. But then so are Jewish police rounding people up to board trains bound for extermination camps.
 

"One journalist described it as the closest hit to Romanian territory since the beginning of the war. Reni is about 200m from Romania across the Danube and 10km from the Romanian port city of Galati."

200m? That's pretty accurate.
 

"We visited the same brigade's outdoor workshop, hidden in a forest behind the front line, where they are now trying to repair more than a dozen armoured vehicles - most of them US Bradleys.

...But he also admits that some are beyond repair and will have to be either scavenged for spare parts or "returned to our partners" to be rebuilt.

While Western armour has provided Ukrainian troops with better protection, it has not been able to punch through the rows of Russian mines - one of the biggest barriers for Ukraine's advance. Travelling the southern front we also saw British supplied Mastiff armoured vehicles damaged and destroyed. The 47th Brigade is now using some of its older, Soviet-era tanks to clear minefields. But they too can't escape the explosives hidden in the ground, even when fitted with specialist mine-clearing equipment."
 

"Gradually, the war is returning to the territory of Russia - to its symbolic centres and military bases, and this is an inevitable, natural and absolutely fair process."

First formal admission from Zelensky?
 
Russia launches deadly 'double tap' airstrikes on Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk, officials say

"The Russian missiles slammed into the centre of Pokrovsk, which is in the eastern Donetsk region that is partially occupied by Russia. Emergency crews were still removing rubble at the scene on Tuesday. The Iskander missiles, which have an advanced guidance system that increases their accuracy, hit within 40 minutes of each other, according to Kyrylenko."

A heinous crime!

"Since the start of the war, Russia has aimed artillery and missiles at the exact same spot it struck around 30 minutes earlier, often hitting emergency workers who had deployed at the scene. The tactic, called a 'double tap' in military jargon, is something the Russians also used in Syria's civil war."

Oh...okay. Why is this news today?
 

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