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A forced exodus from Gaza to Egypt? Israeli ‘concept paper’ fuels outrage

Israel downplayed the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza be transferred to Egypt’s Sinai Desert as a “thinking document” from the country’s Intelligence Ministry.
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"It laid out a vision for mass displacement at the end of its war with Hamas: establishing tent cities in Egypt, creating a humanitarian corridor, then building cities in the northern Sinai to house the refugees for the long term, with a security zone to prevent Palestinians from returning to Gaza.

Sinai is a sparsely populated peninsula, its interior a largely inhospitable desert that has been the subject of past conflicts and negotiations between Israel and Egypt. "

Pure, virgin, holy land. The development opportunities are limitless.

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Fwiffo said:
www.nbcnews.com

A forced exodus from Gaza to Egypt? Israeli ‘concept paper’ fuels outrage

Israel downplayed the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza be transferred to Egypt’s Sinai Desert as a “thinking document” from the country’s Intelligence Ministry.
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"It laid out a vision for mass displacement at the end of its war with Hamas: establishing tent cities in Egypt, creating a humanitarian corridor, then building cities in the northern Sinai to house the refugees for the long term, with a security zone to prevent Palestinians from returning to Gaza.

Sinai is a sparsely populated peninsula, its interior a largely inhospitable desert that has been the subject of past conflicts and negotiations between Israel and Egypt. "

Pure, virgin, holy land. The development opportunities are limitless.

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Pretty sure they would rather stay in their all-inclusive beach resort. This war will end as well.
 
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Israel-Hamas war: Antony Blinken had three tasks in hand during Middle East visit - none of them went well

The US secretary of state visited Jerusalem, Ramallah, Amman, Baghdad and Ankara, diplomatically speaking, seems still to be on the road to nowhere.
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"Turkey's leader for instance, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has made it clear Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is history to him. 'We have erased him,' he has said."

Is that like damnatio memoriae or you just stopped talking to him?
 
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"Anti-Semitism"? I note that the charge of "anti-Semitism" is being leveled against those expressing support and sympathy for the Palestinians. Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the Palestinians also "Semites"? I realize that whole concept of "Aryan vs. Semite" is redolent of 19th century racism. I should think the Palestinian Arabs would be at least as "Semitic" as the Ashkenazic Jews, who are often indistinguishable from their European neighbors. It is often claimed that the Ashkenazim are in some measure descended from the Central Asian Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 700 CE. However, this is controversial. I can only hope that just and lasting peace that is tolerable to both sides can be achieved.
 
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Hamas leaders 'dead men walking' as Israel claims troops are fighting in 'heart' of city

New satellite imagery analysed by Sky News shows several fires in Gaza City over the past two days, in a sign the Israeli military is concentrating firepower in the city centre. An IDF spokesman said "the directive is definitely to kill or capture all the leaders of Hamas".
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"Israeli forces say they have encircled Gaza City, which is the Hamas militant group's main stronghold in the territory. But Hamas has 'prepared the battlefield, unfortunately, very well', Mr Conricus said, and the region is 'totally enmeshed with tunnels'.

'Many of them [are] short tactical tunnels that are just basically fighting positions that allow Hamas to move from one alley to another, to emerge and then submerge,' he added. 'And some are longer and deeper and wider. But we are slowly getting to all of them and there are gains achieved each day of the fight.'"

Gaza City is encircled...but Hamas is hiding in the tunnels underneath. How does that above ground encirclement actually work?
 
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Jan Libourel said:
"Anti-Semitism"? I note that the charge of "anti-Semitism" is being leveled against those expressing support and sympathy for the Palestinians. Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the Palestinians also "Semites"? I realize that whole concept of "Aryan vs. Semite" is redolent of 19th century racism. I should think the Palestinian Arabs would be at least as "Semitic" as the Ashkenazic Jews, who are often indistinguishable from their European neighbors. It is often claimed that the Ashkenazim are in some measure descended from the Central Asian Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 700 CE. However, this is controversial. I can only hope that just and lasting peace that is tolerable to both sides can be achieved.
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The term "Semitic" today is used for a group of languages spoken in the Levante, the Arabian peninsula and Northern Africa - but yes, both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic lanugages, and in somewhat outdated terminology, both the Jewish people in Israel and the Palestinians could be called Semitic people.
 
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US warns Israel against reoccupying Gaza after war

Gaza and the West Bank must be united under the Palestinian Authority, the secretary of state says.
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"US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has warned that Israel cannot reoccupy Gaza after the war with Hamas ends. Mr Blinken also insisted Hamas could not continue to rule there as it risked a repetition of the 7 October attacks."

Not allowed.

"He said there should be no forced displacement, blockade or reduction of territory, and that the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority should govern."

Worked out well last time.
 
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Jan Libourel said:
"Anti-Semitism"? I note that the charge of "anti-Semitism" is being leveled against those expressing support and sympathy for the Palestinians. Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the Palestinians also "Semites"? I realize that whole concept of "Aryan vs. Semite" is redolent of 19th century racism. I should think the Palestinian Arabs would be at least as "Semitic" as the Ashkenazic Jews, who are often indistinguishable from their European neighbors. It is often claimed that the Ashkenazim are in some measure descended from the Central Asian Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 700 CE. However, this is controversial. I can only hope that just and lasting peace that is tolerable to both sides can be achieved.
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The Palestinians are not genetically Arab at all. They are Greek origin. They arrived on ships back in the day. Hence their being known as the 'people of the sea'. I have Palestinian friends who have had their blood tested. Zero Arab.

The Philistines in Canaan and Palestine | Luwian Studies

The Philistines who settled on the coast of Palestine, are counted among the Sea Peoples by most researchers.
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Sammy Ambrose said:
The Palestinians are not genetically Arab at all. They are Greek origin. They arrived on ships back in the day. Hence their being known as the 'people of the sea'. I have Palestinian friends who have had their blood tested. Zero Arab.

The Philistines in Canaan and Palestine | Luwian Studies

The Philistines who settled on the coast of Palestine, are counted among the Sea Peoples by most researchers.
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It is a gross oversimplification to say that the Philistines were of Greek origin. We are really not sure what they were ethnically. They may have been a confederation of several peoples. We do know that intermarriage of Hebrew men to gentile women, including Philistines, in later centuries was a problem as testified in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Of course, Alexander the Great "ethnically cleansed" Gaza after a protracted siege by killing the adult male population and selling the women and children into slavery.
 
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Jan Libourel said:
It is a gross oversimplification to say that the Philistines were of Greek origin. We are really not sure what they were ethnically. They may have been a confederation of several peoples. We do know that intermarriage of Hebrew men to gentile women, including Philistines, in later centuries was a problem as testified in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Of course, Alexander the Great "ethnically cleansed" Gaza after a protracted siege by killing the adult male population and selling the women and children into slavery.
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What we do know is they were not in the main indigenous as the Hebrews were. The point I was making Jan, is that although many Arabs are Semitic, Palestinians are most probably not.
 
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Dropbear Dropbear , what‘s your take on this analysis? I had a similar thought as the number of casualties reported inside Gaza has been slowing down since the ground operation started (also the fact that Hamas reports all deaths commingled, no distinction of military v civilian). Thoughts?
 
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Dropbear Dropbear , what‘s your take on this analysis? I had a similar thought as the number of casualties reported inside Gaza has been slowing down since the ground operation started (also the fact that Hamas reports all deaths commingled, no distinction of military v civilian). Thoughts?
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Come on, not even going to bother trying to ask me about this blatant IDF propaganda?
 
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Dropbear Dropbear , what‘s your take on this analysis? I had a similar thought as the number of casualties reported inside Gaza has been slowing down since the ground operation started (also the fact that Hamas reports all deaths commingled, no distinction of military v civilian). Thoughts?
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1. Is intriguing. I don’t know the answer and could think of a range of alternate possibilities, like Hamas retreated South under the cover of civilians or that they are planning for an insurgency rather than a last stand from the tunnels.

2. Is the surprise for many. Aside from Iran, Hamas aren’t getting much support from anyone in the Middle East. KSA is still on track to normalise relations with Israel. The Palestinians in the West Bank are not impressed and it’s starting to look like they have less support amongst the people of Gaza than previously believed.
 
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Dropbear said:
1. Is intriguing. I don’t know the answer and could think of a range of alternate possibilities, like Hamas retreated South under the cover of civilians or that they are planning for an insurgency rather than a last stand from the tunnels.
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Given IDF controls the North-South corridor, I think less likely they would go that way.

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2. Is the surprise for many. Aside from Iran, Hamas aren’t getting much support from anyone in the Middle East. KSA is still on track to normalise relations with Israel. The Palestinians in the West Bank are not impressed and it’s starting to look like they have less support amongst the people of Gaza than previously believed.
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Fully agree - Iran is keeping things cool(ish) elsewhere, likely due to lack of support from regional "friends" (and US deterrence)
 
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What if the HAMAS tunnels and stockpiles under the main hospital turns out to be like the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction?
 
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The nth time they have fabricated sub-Russian quality propaganda in the last weeks what a 🤡 show
 
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There is no evidence: https://archive.is/V3UA3
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For those who don’t read dutch
nltimes.nl

Dutch embassy warned that Israel uses "disproportionate force" in Gaza

A confidential memo from the Dutch Defense Attache at the embassy in Tel Aviv warned the government that the Israeli army “intends to deliberately cause enormous destruction to infrastructure and civilian centers” in the Gaza Strip, which explains the “high number of deaths” among Palestinian...
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He added that investigators do not have firsthand testimony
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Come on dude you have to be able to work through this propaganda critically.

Edit - I mean this is just ridiculous
But officials provided a stark window into the evidence they have been gathering at a press briefing, which included a statement from a woman who witnessed the Nova festival attack from her hiding place on October 7.

“They bent someone over and I understood he was raping her, and then he was passing her on to someone else,” the woman, who was not identified, said of what she saw.

“She was alive, she stood on her feet and she was bleeding from her back. I saw that he was pulling her hair. She had long brown hair. I saw him chop off her breast and then he was throwing it toward the road, tossed it to someone else and they started playing with it.”

The witness added: “I remember seeing another person raping her, and while he was still inside her he shot her in the head.”
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“I understood he was raping her”

They were playing catch with here sawed off tit.

They might as well have called them dirty savages.
 
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