We're Turning The Planet's To Shit: Climate Change & Humanity's Ability To Ruin Anything Good

belinmad

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I can explain the Phd claim away (as I did). Based on your non-sensical answer - you’ll still be stupid.
 

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"Australia has vowed to cut carbon emissions by 43% on 2005 levels by 2030. Under its previous government, the target was 26-28%."

This is like my workplace. Let's keep increasing the target, keep the same timeframe, and hope we get there.

That was exposed in the aussie thread.
 

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No doubt it is getting hotter but a lot of us in the west have to adapt. It really isn't that big a deal.

I was in Prague and Lisbon last week and it was hell. My sleep has been fucked in the heat but I don't see the reason for mass hysteria. Sure, be a good neighbour and check on those more vulnerable but for most, meh.

I managed to run 8 miles today in 39 degree C weather. I didn't die

These things are common in Australia. We think nothing of it.
 

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^Do you trust the alarmist BBC?

Here's a case in point, classic BBC, instead of narrative on the meteorological factors of the hot weather coming up from Spain and causing the ''brutal temperatures'' we get a definitive statement: ''Climate scientists say the answer is climate change.'' Where the fuck is the science:

 

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^Do you trust the alarmist BBC?

Here's a case in point, classic BBC, instead of narrative on the meteorological factors of the hot weather coming up from Spain and causing the ''brutal temperatures'' we get a definitive statement: ''Climate scientists say the answer is climate change.'' Where the fuck is the science:

Wait a second. So now it’s the weather in Spain’s fault that it’s hot in the UK?
 

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^Do you trust the alarmist BBC?

Um, no. I don't trust any of these climate alarmist media.

Here's a case in point, classic BBC, instead of narrative on the meteorological factors of the hot weather coming up from Spain and causing the ''brutal temperatures'' we get a definitive statement: ''Climate scientists say the answer is climate change.'' Where the fuck is the science:

You are not supposed to ask that question, you are supposed to believe their rhetoric and not question anything.

Oh yes, `the science'.
- Where is the science to say the world is doomed in 8 years?
- What about the science which opposes `the science'.
- They always talk about the science, but where is this science. No-one seems to know, especially those who talk about `the science'....when questioned they usually link to propaganda media reports.

They set up fake authorities:
- the club of science (we are experts, so you must believe us and never question us)
- fact checks online
- the `so called' authorities label people conspiracy theorists.

When you run into these things you know people/groups probably have something to hide, and they try to throw people off the track with words and labels, this is a classic marxist tactic used in China. You divide and conquer, ie, signal out the people who don't submit to the message and make them outcasts (they call them `climate deniers' or `anti science' or `conspiracy theorists' these days). People should be aware of their tactics and think for themselves.
 

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Wait a second. So now it’s the weather in Spain’s fault that it’s hot in the UK?
Interestingly, the fires in Spain appear not to be caused by climate change:

 

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Interestingly, the fires in Spain appear not to be caused by climate change:

so its your fault! god damn dutch people.
 

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No no no it’s the heat that’s causing the fires, everyone knows that, even our ABD!
 

belinmad

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No no no it’s the heat that’s causing the fires, everyone knows that, even our ABD!

Indeed!! And what a learning experience it was.
Other things I learned in my ABD: Pesto does not cure or prevent corona. Also, pesto does not prevent fires. Finally, pesto believers don’t get jobs in management consulting firms.
Net net: maybe you should try an advanced degree too!
 

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you see beli-buddy, if making false claims and then trying to explain them away is a viable business model for you, that's awesome! However, in a recreational forum, alternating posts between "you're an idiot, but I have a PhD" and "I don't have a phd/advanced degree/whatever, but you're an idiot" is just cringe
 

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Anyone want to talk about how hot it is and we’re all going to die much sooner than originally forecasted?
 

belinmad

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you see beli-buddy, if making false claims and then trying to explain them away is a viable business model for you, that's awesome! However, in a recreational forum, alternating posts between "you're an idiot, but I have a PhD" and "I don't have a phd/advanced degree/whatever, but you're an idiot" is just cringe

Actually this is perfect propositional logic - yet one more thing you failed to learn in pesto school:
If p -> q, if !p -> q, therefore, q

I have a phd -> you are an idiot
I dont have a phd -> you are an idiot
Therefore
You are an idiot
 

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Lake Mead 2000-present

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i don't know how any of you imbeciles can look at things like this and then say everything is just hunky dory.
 

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Lake Mead 2000-present

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i don't know how any of you imbeciles can look at things like this and then say everything is just hunky dory.

Sometimes the lakes lose water while other times they gain water. Look, here are reports and studies showing the lakes being more full than they have been in years.

The Great Lakes are filled to their brims, with no signs of receding​


Satellite observed recent rising water levels of global lakes and reservoirs​


To show l am not bias, here is a study which shows lake levels have increased but also talk about climate change.

Monitoring Lake Levels From Space: Preliminary Analysis With SWOT​


Hey Grand Potentate Grand Potentate You know what is really interesting? Some peer reviewed studies show the sea levels have lowered in various areas (south pacific) where other areas it has increased.

See? We can't say climate change is causing all these things. All the results are contradictory,ie, ice levels are increasing yet they are also decreasing, sea levels are rising yet they are also decreasing,lake levels are rising yet they are also decreasing.

But ultimately no-one is an expert, so we don't really know. Why? Because climate involves dozens or more areas of expertise, and the most qualified experts are perhaps experts in two areas at most, and this is why so many experts disagree about climate and climate change. You may say the consensus says 99% of experts agree, but that consensus was non scientific and included faulty samples, many scientists who disagreed weren't included in the sample, and the smaple questions were also misleading. That NASA study and others were not peer reviewed either, and they were all fraudulent.

It is not as simple as the media would like us to believe. I have also busted the media many times here on their lies about starving populations migrating to other countries by posting records of record crop levels in their countries.
 

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The big questions are.....

1). why are countries so insistent on relying on China for their energy policy?
2). why are scientists with opposing views of climate change repressed and silenced?

Marxist tactics are used to stifle debate. The U.N want a redistribution of wealth and power over to China and away from the democracies and capitalist countries, that is why China is exempt from Climate polices. De-industrialise the west by regulation and a great increase in their business costs, that is how it is being done. When the smaller businesses are out the way the global body can heavily regulate big business and create a big socialist network. The world economic forum talks about this stuff.

Look!
China Is National Security Threat No. 1

"As Director of National Intelligence , I am entrusted with access to more intelligence than any member of the U.S. government other than the president. ......... the People’s Republic of China poses the greatest threat to America today, and the greatest threat to democracy and freedom world-wide since World War II". (John Ratcliff)

You take away democracy by giving money to politicians (I have proof of that). They pander to lobby groups.
You undermine sovereignty and freedom by making countries dependent on technology, manufacturing and energy from China.

Do you know why China lost its freedoms? Because they were asleep like many in the western countries. People lose their freedoms when they snooze.

Not saying anymore. Have said enough for this year. I have made my views clear on this from time to time. Back to clothes for me.
 
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Grand Potentate

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Sometimes the lakes lose water while other times they gain water. Look, here are reports and studies showing the lakes being more full than they have been in years.

The Great Lakes are filled to their brims, with no signs of receding​


Satellite observed recent rising water levels of global lakes and reservoirs​


To show l am not bias, here is a study which shows lake levels have increased but also talk about climate change.

Monitoring Lake Levels From Space: Preliminary Analysis With SWOT​


Hey Grand Potentate Grand Potentate You know what is really interesting? Some peer reviewed studies show the sea levels have lowered in various areas (south pacific) where other areas it has increased.

See? We can't say climate change is causing all these things. All the results are contradictory,ie, ice levels are increasing yet they are also decreasing, sea levels are rising yet they are also decreasing,lake levels are rising yet they are also decreasing.

But ultimately no-one is an expert, so we don't really know. Why? Because climate involves dozens or more areas of expertise, and the most qualified experts are perhaps experts in two areas at most, and this is why so many experts disagree about climate and climate change. You may say the consensus says 99% of experts agree, but that consensus was non scientific and included faulty samples, many scientists who disagreed weren't included in the sample, and the smaple questions were also misleading. That NASA study and others were not peer reviewed either, and they were all fraudulent.

It is not as simple as the media would like us to believe. I have also busted the media many times here on their lies about starving populations migrating to other countries by posting records of record crop levels in their countries.
Shooey I don't want to sound belittling when I ask this but have you actually read through these articles and studies or did you just google the phrase "rising water levels in lakes", or something to that effect, in an effort to rebut the picture? See we've got a few people here that like to comment on articles while also not reading them so I just wanted to know where you were at.
 

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1). why are countries so insistent on relying on China for their energy policy?
because we offshored all our manufacturing to china in an effort to make rich people even richer.
2). why are scientists with opposing views of climate change repressed and silenced?
because they're stupid. they're stupid people who are stupid.

shooey have you ever looked into any of these 'scientists with opposing views' and seen where they get their funding from? might be a good research project for you.

Marxist tactics are used to stifle debate.
could you please explain which specific marxist tactics are being deployed to silence those that believe climate change doesn't exist?
The U.N want a redistribution of wealth and power over to China and away from the democracies and capitalist countries,
i think you're confusing china and the World Bank
that is why China is exempt from Climate polices.
again, this has to do with manufacturing.

De-industrialise the west by regulation and a great increase in their business costs, that is how it is being done.
well if they actually wanted to pay for labor then we wouldn't be having these particular issues now would we?
When the smaller businesses are out the way the global body can heavily regulate big business and create a big socialist network.
ah so you're against corporations as well. i don't know shooey that's a bit marxist-y. these criminals might be infecting your way of thought.

The world economic forum talks about this stuff.
you should do some more homework on the WEF. lots of chinese partners on this list:


You take away democracy by giving money to politicians (I have proof of that). They pander to lobby groups.
excellent that you understand this shooey!

You undermine sovereignty and freedom by making countries dependent on technology, manufacturing and energy from China.
another great point!

Do you know why China lost its freedoms? Because they were asleep like many in the western countries. People lose their freedoms when they snooze.
you lost me with this one

Not saying anymore. Have said enough for this year. I have made my views clear on this from time to time. Back to clothes for me.
so soon? its only July.
 

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Shooey I don't want to sound belittling when I ask this but have you actually read through these articles and studies or did you just google the phrase "rising water levels in lakes", or something to that effect, in an effort to rebut the picture? See we've got a few people here that like to comment on articles while also not reading them so I just wanted to know where you were at.

Just a quick flick through it this time, but l have read through enough ocean and lakes studies etc in the past to know what was going on. I have done the hard yards over the years on looking into climate change. I am largely retired from climate research now, and l largely abstain from making comments anymore. I never cease to be amazed at how many believe in this stuff, but 20 years ago l was a believer too.
 

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That contract ''...half a million dollars a year - about £850,000 in today's money...'' is absolute chicken feed.

If the oil industry which you all currently benefit from the fossil fuel lifestyle, wanted sinisterly to change public and policy makers opinions on impending climate disaster, they would have been spending more than that. A hell of a lot more.
 

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interesting read for the brits or those wondering why the brits are so miserable. money quote:

British domestic architecture has also been shaped by idiosyncratic rules that contribute to its poor environmental credentials. For instance, in many parts of the UK, homes that face each other at the rear are required to be built 21 metres apart. This large distance means that instead of clustering buildings together around cool courtyards or shady streets, as is common in hotter climates, many homes in new neighbourhoods are directly exposed to the sun.

The 21-metre rule is, according to the Stirling prize-winning architect Annalie Riches, a bizarre hangover from 1902, originally intended to protect the modesty of Edwardian women. The urban designers Raymond Unwin and Barry Parker walked apart in a field until they could no longer see each other’s nipples through their shirts. The two men measured the distance between them to be 70ft (21 metres), and this became the distance that is still used today, 120 years later, to dictate how far apart many British homes should be built.
 

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interesting read for the brits or those wondering why the brits are so miserable. money quote:
All over the map again, as ever with The Guardian.

The reasons for crap, small housing in the UK is not lack of environmental credentials. They were part of the EU long enough and complied with the regulations on insulation, etc.

Here in the Netherlands, they also distance housing. Who would have thought, people don't like to live in cramped conditions, overlooked by their neighbours. Also cramped concrete buildings whether shaded, or not, create heat traps from radiating heat from the concrete. In general, the temperatures in the countryside are quite a few degrees less than the cities during a heat wave. Which was the case here in 2018, Rotterdam was recording 40C+ whilst the surrounding countryside, including Zeeland which is generally a few degrees warmer was much lower at 33-36C.

Some of the best housing in the UK, for the masses, was the social council housing built in the late 50s up to the early 70s. Extremely well built, spacious with large back gardens. Much better built that the private housing estates, the Barratt's etc, in the late 70s and 80s with their naff front gardens and box sized bed rooms.

There's also the phenomena here the houses with one bedroom for the divorced male. Dreadful.
 

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Some of the best housing in the UK, for the masses, was the social council housing built in the late 50s up to the early 70s. Extremely well built, spacious with large back gardens. Much better built that the private housing estates, the Barratt's etc, in the late 70s and 80s with their naff front gardens and box sized bed rooms.

Not the Barbican Estate?
 

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i'm updating the thread title to better reflect the situation after seeing this shit:



for reference, this is roughly .3% of the plastic that we dump into the ocean EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY.

humanity was a mistake.
 
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