We're Turning The Planet's To Shit: Climate Change & Humanity's Ability To Ruin Anything Good

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i'm updating the thread title to better reflect the situation after seeing this shit:



for reference, this is roughly .03% of the plastic that we dump into the ocean EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY.

humanity was a mistake.

333m kg of plastic is dumped in the ocean every day? Source?
 

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i typo'ed the figure its .3% not .03%. source below:

I know you don’t like optimism, but at least China seems to be waking up in this regard. Basically all the ocean plastic is from Asia, also a bit from Africa, I think I remember the Philippines are the worst single offender. As far as I’m told you can’t really use the marine plastic meaningfully at scale, at least until we get industrial-scale chemical recycling, but hey it’s out of the water so that’s nice!
 

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you'd think that people who don't believe in climate change would find this behavior odd.
Your whole political system runs on lobbying. I've never seen so many lobbyist organisations as in Washington D.C. Whole office buildings full of them.
 

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Don't forget the 40B that is set aside and doled out piecemeal to Ukraine to prolong a conflict where European allies now need to think about more coal and using diesel freighters to ship oil instead of pipelines.
 

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Your whole political system runs on lobbying. I've never seen so many lobbyist organisations as in Washington D.C. Whole office buildings full of them.
Dude, seriously, it is not just the US that is full of lobbyists.

Federal paid lobbyists:

US - 12,000
Canada - 8,000
Netherlands - 6,000
UK - 4,000

Do the per capita calculation.
 

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Flooding in Kentucky already 5’ higher than all-time high with more rain on the way.
 

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@Pimpernel Smith’s people doing their thing
The Met office has put itself in the target zone by being not only a weather forecasting organisation, but an agency of ''climate change'' whatever that means. The head of the agency issued a hysterical warning on the one day heat wave that the BBC projected across the world. My associates here and elsewhere, who consider the BBC the good-to-go to resource, all picked-up that this was emotive sensationalism to instill fear.

I would expect them to take some flak over this, as warranted. But of course personal attacks, threats are not acceptable.
 

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The Met office has put itself in the target zone by being not only a weather forecasting organisation, but an agency of ''climate change'' whatever that means.
do you understand how nuts this sentence sounds?

The head of the agency issued a hysterical warning on the one day heat wave that the BBC projected across the world. My associates here and elsewhere, who consider the BBC the good-to-go to resource, all picked-up that this was emotive sensationalism to instill fear.
yes and maybe you could understand why they'd be panicked about warning people when half their viewership are glass-eyed fruitcakes such as yourself who badger them every time they say it might rain and then it doesn't.

I would expect them to take some flak over this, as warranted. But of course personal attacks, threats are not acceptable.
well thank god you're being reasonable...
 

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The Met office has put itself in the target zone by being not only a weather forecasting organisation, but an agency of ''climate change'' whatever that means. The head of the agency issued a hysterical warning on the one day heat wave that the BBC projected across the world
The difficulty that all news agencies face now is that it is seen as a requirement for them to comment on and assess the relative 'goodness ' of the news rather than just report it.
 

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here you go Pimpernel Smith Pimpernel Smith . and not from the climate change agency either!
The problem for the models they use, is that the one day heat wave, was caused by a weather pattern that is naturally occurring. A one-day, one-off heat wave, does not a trend or armageddon make.
The difficulty that all news agencies face now is that it is seen as a requirement for them to comment on and assess the relative 'goodness ' of the news rather than just report it.
The BBC should rise above it, but like the rest they've signed onto the agenda and take delight in hectoring and lecturing us complete with grimaces and newspeak. The UK Sky News is the same, but they've walked back on their planned hour long daily dose of climate hysteria and fear.

The BBC is still seen as the good-to-go objective news resource across the world, but that's at risk. Two of my colleagues, complained about the hysterical news coverage on the heatwave. These are Dutch and Danish people who watch the BBC news regularly. The propaganda is so blatant now and the question is to what end? They're trying to soften up us for deliberate privation ahead e.g. the loss of energy and then food security.
 

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The problem for the models they use, is that the one day heat wave, was caused by a weather pattern that is naturally occurring. A one-day, one-off heat wave, does not a trend or armageddon make.

The BBC should rise above it, but like the rest they've signed onto the agenda and take delight in hectoring and lecturing us complete with grimaces and newspeak. The UK Sky News is the same, but they've walked back on their planned hour long daily dose of climate hysteria and fear.

The BBC is still seen as the good-to-go objective news resource across the world, but that's at risk. Two of my colleagues, complained about the hysterical news coverage on the heatwave. These are Dutch and Danish people who watch the BBC news regularly. The propaganda is so blatant now and the question is to what end? They're trying to soften up us for deliberate privation ahead e.g. the loss of energy and then food security.
Got to read the articles:

  • While Europe experiences heatwaves increasingly frequently over the last years, the recently observed heat in the UK has been so extreme that it is also a rare event in today’s climate. The observed temperatures averaged over 2 days were estimated to have a return period of approx. 100 years in the current climate. For the 1-day maximum temperatures over the region shown in Figure 1 the return time is estimated at 1 in 1000 years in the current climate. Note that return periods of temperatures vary between different measures and locations, and are therefore highly uncertain.
  • At three individual stations the 1-day maximum temperatures are as rare as 1 in 500 years in St James Park in London, about 1 in 1000 years in Durham and only expected on average once in 1500 years in today’s climate in Cranwell, Lincolnshire.
  • The likelihood of observing such an event in a 1.2°C cooler world is extremely low, and statistically impossible in two out of the three analysed stations.
  • The observational analysis shows that a UK heatwave as defined above would be about 4°C cooler in preindustrial times.
 

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Got to read the articles:
What are they factoring in though?

''Statistically impossible'' how many times has that been heard?

This is playing games: ''At three individual stations the 1-day maximum temperatures are as rare as 1 in 500 years in St James Park in London, about 1 in 1000 years in Durham and only expected on average once in 1500 years in today’s climate in Cranwell, Lincolnshire.'' Three weather stations out of how many, on a small island in a heatwave? One would expect correlation. Also disparity: Hawarden record breaking temperatures, not far down the coast in Llandudno quite normal temperatures.

If the best they can come up with is statistical games on weather station readings which haven't been in existence for the 500, 1000 and 1500 years cited, then they're basing their position on projections and models for which to date, have not delivered the climate armaggedon as promised.

Here's how to report summer weather:

 
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What are they factoring in though?

''Statistically impossible'' how many times has that been heard?

This is playing games: ''At three individual stations the 1-day maximum temperatures are as rare as 1 in 500 years in St James Park in London, about 1 in 1000 years in Durham and only expected on average once in 1500 years in today’s climate in Cranwell, Lincolnshire.'' Three weather stations out of how many, on a small island in a heatwave? One would expect correlation. Also disparity: Hawarden record breaking temperatures, not far down the coast in Llandudno quite normal temperatures.

If the best they can come up with is statistical games on weather station readings which haven't been in existence for the 500, 1000 and 1500 years cited, then they're basing their position on projections and models for which to date, have not delivered the climate armaggedon as promised.

Here's how to report summer weather:

This whole response is deranged
 

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Apparently hundreds of thousands of wild birds are dying, entire colonies, several species on the brink of extinction, entire nature reserves becoming depopulated and it does not seem to be ending (until they are all dead, of course). Can't really find anything in the news though, which is strange. Seems to be this strain of the virus: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01338-2
 

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Apparently hundreds of thousands of wild birds are dying, entire colonies, several species on the brink of extinction, entire nature reserves becoming depopulated and it does not seem to be ending (until they are all dead, of course). Can't really find anything in the news though, which is strange. Seems to be this strain of the virus: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01338-2
Dropbear Dropbear now we have bird flu to worry about as well?
 

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You know strangely it has been "seasonal" here which is mid to high 20s (i.e. 26c). We had a few days above 30c but not past 35c. Humidity pushes it up to 40c but none of the 40c+ ambient temperature that everyone else is seeing.
 

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"As dry years and storms become more common, the canal needs to find fresh sources of water and new ways to store it.

Every time a ship goes through the locks, 55m gallons (250m litres) of fresh water is used, then released into the sea. On average, 37 ships go through the locks every day, using more than 2bn gallons (9bn litres) of fresh water."

Should we even be using fresh water to do this?
 
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