What's Wrong With Baseball?

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As a fan, I found this article and the comments engrossing. I don't know if any of you people are fans as well, but I thought I'd share and see if anyone enjoyed it. Thoughts?

http://deadspin.com/whats-wrong-with-baseball-1628473196/all

What's Wrong With Baseball?

Over at the New Yorker, Ben McGrath has a brief, characteristically thoughtful essay up about a question that people have been asking basically for as long as the game has been played but which, lately, seems to actually have something to it: What's wrong with baseball?

As he freely concedes, going by measures like attendance and revenue, everything is just fine, and this is where a lot of partisans are happy to leave it. More people are going to games, and players and owners are making more money, than ever before; definitionally, nothing is wrong at all.

The problem is that this obviously isn't right. Baseball has as talented a cohort of young players as it's had in a long time right now—Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw and Andrew McCutchen and Yasiel Puig and Jose Abreu and Andrelton Simmons and on and on—and yet they're all basically anonymous. Meanwhile, the dismal ratings for baseball's jewel events reflect the reality that baseball is now essentially a regional game, its success more a function of a bubble in television rights fees and of the money and free time its aging fanbase has with the kids out of the house and retirement approaching than anything else. The economic argument that baseball is doing great and the cultural one that it's increasingly irrelevant, it turns, aren't so neatly separated. As McGrath asks, "Who will fill the seats vacated by Boomers after they come up lame?"

To answer that, it's probably worth remembering how we got here. To name just a few things, games really are too long and slow, with too little going on in them (the decrease in offense is almost entirely about out-of-control strikeout rates); there's ever-increasing competition from other sports; youth participation is down for all sorts of complex reasons; and the introduction of the unbalanced schedule did more than most people realize to make baseball an even more intensely regional game. Given all that and whatever else you can come up with, it makes sense that baseball is in a relative decline.

The main issue, though—and something that McGrath curiously doesn't bring up—is probably just that baseball is now dealing with the consequences of having spent a solid decade telling anyone who would listen that baseball is awful and no one should watch it.

Let's take a normal 25-year-old, born in 1989. He would have spent his formative years as a sports fan in the immediate aftermath of a canceled World Series, hearing that greedy players were destroying the game and that the dynastic Yankees team dominating the sport was such an affront to its competitive integrity that drastic measures had to be taken to give other teams any kind of chance at winning. He would have heard about the commissioner touring the country threatening to abolish various teams, some of them successful ones. He would have seen the league enthusiastically cooperating with a congressional investigation that all but treated many of its most famous players as criminals; the league touting an owner-written report claiming that those players were frauds, cheats, and liars; and the league and the government working together with small-time con men to destroy the very best of those players.

From the perspective of owners, all of this made sense. A majority of owners had an interest in (falsely) claiming that their teams just couldn't compete, because they wanted to rig a system where they would be all but guaranteed profits. They had an interest in depicting players as greedy, selfish cheats, both because it gave them back leverage they'd lost when they forced the cancellation of a World Series and because it appealed to the sensibilities of the well-off older people who were filling their stadiums. They had an interest in telling an entire generation not to think of any ballplayer as any kind of hero. The only problem, really, is that everyone listened.

There's no obvious reason why a 25-year-old would be an especially big baseball fan; there's no reason, having seen baseball ruin rather than protect the reputations of its best players, why the marketing companies that make great athletes transcendent stars would want to be involved in promoting Mike Trout or Clayton Kershaw as something more than exceptional ballplayers; and there's no mystery in what's wrong here. The people running baseball told everyone that the game was broken and that the players—who weren't doing anything their peers in other sports weren't doing—were frauds. Meanwhile, rivals took a somewhat more sensible approach. Now the game has to deal with the consequences of people more or less buying the political line adopted by its management class, which involved depicting the very thing they were selling as not worth buying. The real question is whether they learned their lesson.

Read through the comment section as well for some interesting takes.

Here's the McGrath essay at the New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/twilight-baseball

The Twilight of Baseball
By Ben McGrath

If Mike Trout walked into your neighborhood bar, would you recognize him? Let me rephrase: If the baseball player who is widely considered the best in the world—a once-in-a-generation talent, the greatest outfielder since Barry Bonds, the most accomplished twenty-two-year-old that the activity formerly known as the national pastime has ever known—bent elbows over a stool and ordered an I.P.A., would anyone notice? A few weeks ago, Trout, who plays center field for the Angels, hit a ball nearly five hundred feet. At the All-Star Game, he was clocked at twenty miles per hour—rounding the bases, on foot. Yet his Q rating is about on par with that of Jim, the guy in South Jersey whose burgers Trout’s mother sometimes mails, frozen, to her superhuman son in Anaheim, to keep him rooted in the tastes and comforts of home. The pride of Millville: a chubby-cheeked mama’s boy with a haircut certified by the Marine Corps. He strides among us like a colossus, anonymous.


“Is baseball in trouble?” is one of those questions—like “Is football too violent?” or “Is golf too boring?”—that is both everlasting and newly inescapable, symptomatic of an era in which the games we watch, ostensibly to amuse ourselves, are commonly analyzed like brands. It’s the wide world of sports as a high-school cafeteria, surrounded by bleachers. “Will the center table make room for soccer today?” we all ask ourselves, while keeping a suspicious eye on the commotion that’s quietly been gathering around lacrosse, in what used to be the preppie corner. “Is football drunk? If he’s not careful he might soon be expelled.” Meanwhile, “Poor Nascar. His parents got whacked by subprime, and now, after a brief flirtation with some cheerleaders, he appears destined for trenchcoat mafia.”

The discussion of baseball’s health, pro and con, generally peels one of two ways: economic or cultural. The economic argument points to the league’s paid attendance, for instance, which is very high. Thirty thousand people attend the average ballgame today, compared to fifteen thousand in the early nineteen-seventies. Annual revenues, too, are strong: eight billion, more than double what they were when McGwire and Sosa were chasing Maris, owing to ever more lucrative TV-rights deals. How bad can the situation really be if it’s substantially better than it was back when home runs were on everyone’s mind? (Consider that the N.F.L.’s annual ten billion is often cited casually as prima-facie evidence of football’s invulnerability: concussions consmussions.) In absolute terms, baseball is doing just fine—thriving, even.

The cultural argument returns us to the cafeteria, and it begins by noting that nobody seems to be discussing home runs any longer. It’s a relativist perspective, whereby the pecking order is foremost. On television nowadays, the World Series can hardly compete with Browns versus Jaguars, Week Seven. The so-called Fall Classic’s ratings have been declining in recent decades, roughly mirroring the vaunted gains in midsummer attendance. It’s not baseball that’s doing fine, in other words; it’s the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Cardinals, the Dodgers, the Giants, the Brewers—everyone except South Florida, basically. You watch your team, but not mine—an arrangement befitting our partisan moment. What’s more, the other major team sports have made similar or, in some cases, greater proportional gains in attendance during the same supposedly triumphant period in baseball. This suggests, or at least raises the possibility that, M.L.B. owes its economic boom to little more than the Baby Boom: more people, with more disposable income. Who will fill the seats vacated by Boomers after they come up lame? Relatively speaking, baseball fans are geriatric. (And white—let’s not forget the waning African-American enthusiasm for the sport, to the extent that stories like this one, about the success of an all-black team in the Little League World Series, are meant to be read as surprising good news.)

As a fan of not just baseball but hockey (good revenues and great attendance, by the way!), I’ve long since grown hardened to the bullying implicit in the relativist argument. As long as the athletes we admire are paid enviable wages, and as long as the games we want to watch are broadcast on TV or streamed on the Internet, who cares what the smirking zeitgeist surfers think? But the Trout conundrum strikes me as a significant milestone in baseball doomsaying—more problematic, say, than the demise of corporate slow-pitch leagues, which the Wall Street Journal recently foretold. When was the last time baseball’s reigning king was a cultural nonentity, someone you can’t even name-drop without a non-fan giving you a patronizing smile?

I’ve been thinking about Trout lately, because of the interminable retirement parade for Derek Jeter, and because of Bud Selig’s planned departure from the commissioner’s office in January. In a few months, Red Sox Nation will toast David Ortiz on the occasion of his thirty-ninth birthday. Soon enough, Big Papi, too, will be gone—and baseball under Commissioner Rob Manfred may be looking at a horizon devoid of personalities who exist beyond the realm of fantasy leagues. (Barroom debates are at their best amid the buzz of a couple of beers, so let’s set aside the Puig factor, as well as the Mo’ne phenomenon, which produced better ratings for ESPN last week than any adult game since 2007.)

“It feels as if he rolled into baseball out of the pages of a W.P. Kinsella novel,” ESPN’s Jayson Starke wrote of Trout last month. Kinsella’s “Shoeless Joe” inspired “Field of Dreams,” a movie whose appeal (however treacly, no matter the Costner) derives from romantic, rather than economic, assumptions about baseball’s role in the national consciousness. It débuted in the spring of 1989, the rookie year of Ken Griffey, Jr., a prospect so highly anticipated that he had his own branded candy bar. The quarter century that followed gave us Bonds and A-Rod, Pedro and the Rocket—and now Mo’ne Davis, a thirteen-year-old girl whose dream is to play point guard for UConn.
 
You know what's wrong with baseball?

The Red Sox aren't any good right now and it's pissing me off.
 
Baseball has completely sold itself out to the highest bidder. It has nothing but money on its mind, both players and owners. I just don't care about billionaires being assholes to millionaires being assholes to a crowd of hundred-thousandaires.
To be fair, ALL American sports have done this. On the scale of awfulness, I think it definitely ranks behind Football and possibly ahead of Basketball.
 
To certain degrees, though. Everybody's got to get paid. Not everybody has to raise the price of admission 20% a year to do so.

MMA is still in its infancy but UFC has done right so far. Probably due to Dana White's involvement thus far
You can't possibly be this drunk...

As for ticket prices:

MLB ticket price average $27.94 after 2 pct rise
By Associated Press Published: Mar 31, 2014 at 12:03 PM PDT

CHICAGO (AP) - Major League Baseball's average ticket price rose 2 percent this season to $27.93, the steepest rise since a 5 percent hike in 2009, according to the Team Marketing Report's annual survey.

The average NFL ticket price was $81.54 last season, TMR said. The NBA average is $52.50 this season and the NHL average is $61.62.


The average rose 1.8 percent last year after remaining flat in 2012.

World Series champion Boston had the highest average, rising 4.8 percent to $52.32. The New York Yankees, who missed the playoffs for just the second time in 19 years, kept their average flat and remained second at $51.55.

The Chicago Cubs were third at $44.16 following a 0.9 percent decrease. The Cubs are coming off their fourth straight season with a losing record and are celebrating the 100th anniversary of Wrigley Field.

The Dodgers' average rose 15.3 percent to $25.80 as Los Angeles hiked its opening-day payroll to $234 million and ended the Yankees' 15-year streak as baseball's biggest spender.

San Diego had the lowest average at $16.37, and Arizona was just above the Padres at $17.98. After its third straight season of 100 or more losses, Houston dropped its average 13.6 percent to $27.98.

Kansas City had the highest rise, going up 24.7 percent to $24.73 after its first winning season since 2003.

TMR's Fan Cost Index, which includes four average-price tickets, two small draft beers, four small soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking, two programs and two adult-size caps, rose 2.3 percent to $212.46. The Red Sox were the high team at $350.78 and Arizona the low at $126.89.
 
You are seriously using the UFC as an example for, well anything? At least use a man's sport like boxing.
 
At least it's a sports that decent people can watch, instead of Maxim magazine reading hair gel wearing barb wire tattoo having douchebags.
 
I learnt baseball through a summer camp. In retrospect if it were up to me, I wouldn't have went to the camp if it weren't some perverted form of babysitting. If I hadn't learnt it, I'd be like half my peers, who are all immigrants and unable to understand the game. I grew up in the era of trading baseball cards. Who trades baseball cards amongst the youth these days? No one. There are other diversions like binge watching something on NetFlix or Snapchat or whatever kids do these days. And kids starting at my generation were already giving up on athletics and participation in sport. These days I ask my coworkers what sports their children get involved with and it's everything under the sun: footy, cricket, rugby, tennis, archery, etc. Cricket fields, especially where I live, are displacing baseball diamonds.

I think some of it can also be blamed on the longevity of players. When I was young, people talked about Barry Bonds. When I was old enough to just walk up to the stadium and buy my own tickets after work, people were still talking about Barry Bonds. I remember asking "Huh? Aren't there any new players?" I don't know the generation who came after Derek Jeter. I heard he was retiring the other day and I asked my mate, "Oh I thought he was the young guy." Whether that was all aided by the steroids is another matter.

The schedule is also massive. This is why I think the NFL works pretty well - you only get one game a week. I don't even know who goes to the weekday afternoon games. Maybe they should stop diluting the season with the sheer amount of games and just focus on marquee match ups. Perhaps look at changing the rules too. Cricket developed the Twenty20 game to appeal to more people. What has baseball done to appeal to more people?
 
Baseball is slower than chess. Nothing happens for minutes on end. I've been to minor league games and the action is non-stop and all-encompassing. Seriously, the ball is in play for about eight minutes per game at most, right?

The lack of steroids (except for the entirety of the Skankeez) is also to blame. Nothing new is happening, except for million-dollar monkies getting paid more. The sport is stagnant.

Of course I don't give a crap about any sports, particularly pro sports, so my opining is less than worthwhile.
 
The pace and deliberation of baseball are two of it's biggest assets, along with the schedule. It lends a stability and meaning to the game that others don't. Statistics matter a lot more in baseball because they are framed on an even amount of opportunity for each team, and the season evens out flukes and chance to where the better teams generally win.

The only reason the NFL only has 16 games is because it's not physically possible to have more, people would be more crippled than they already are. Don't get me wrong, football is my number one favorite past time ever, but baseball is a very close second, not coincidentally because they have the most in common. The complexity and execution of both is unique in sports, only really cricket, rugby, and Aussie or Canadian football come close.
 
Baseball is boring as all fuck. A chick took me to see a game last year, it was like watching CSPAN. You seriously can't expect people to sit thru minutes on end of managers at the mound, ball scratching, and guys taking a full minute getting into a hitting stance.

To the original post... never heard of a single one of those up and comers.

And baseball players are fat. What kind of sport is it when all your players look like this?

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Fwiffo Fwiffo I thought that baseball card point was especially prescient. No one does that any more but I remember being addicted to it. Studying the card backs. Making collections. I had some very valuable rookie cards. Ken Griffey jr upper deck baby!
 
Fwiffo Fwiffo I thought that baseball card point was especially prescient. No one does that any more but I remember being addicted to it. Studying the card backs. Making collections. I had some very valuable rookie cards. Ken Griffey jr upper deck baby!

I use to steal them from a neighbor kids house. He had 2 shoe boxes full.
 
Fwiffo Fwiffo I thought that baseball card point was especially prescient. No one does that any more but I remember being addicted to it. Studying the card backs. Making collections. I had some very valuable rookie cards. Ken Griffey jr upper deck baby!
There were some epic Upper Deck sets back in the day.
 
I go to a lot of college baseball games. It's a great time. You go to socialize, and get some sun, with the game as a background. Used to be an avid Rays fan when I lived down there. I like the sport, but they need to enforce the batter-stepping-out-of-the-box rule. Would sure as hell speed the game up.
 
Curling is more exciting than baseball. Women are right in saying that it is just men spitting and scratching their nuts. The poor announcers have vast time periods to fill where absolutely nothing is happening. Hot air balloon races have more action.

Roller derby is the way of the future.
 
I used to love Big League Chew. And even the gum that came in Bazooka Joe packs. Although, that used to be hard and brittle and your jaw would hurt for a few minutes trying to chew it.
 
I used to love Big League Chew. And even the gum that came in Bazooka Joe packs. Although, that used to be hard and brittle and your jaw would hurt for a few minutes trying to chew it.

+1 on both. that's what's wrong with the millennials, no hard gum to chew
 
I played baseball for years - made my homestate's club all-star youth team, but never embraced it in school. It was a lot of fun in a time that wasn't obsessed w/ social media. Recreation has just become too fast paced for the sport.

ESPN has gone on a few times w/ people trying to "debate" why golf is losing viewership too. (duh)

Also - baseball and football card collector checking in, FTW
 
No. Football gets ratings because women look at the player's butts and tune in to the superbowl for the ads.
Yes, exclusive broadcasting rights have given these greedy fucks regionial audiences.
 
The Yankees are an abomination. And I say this as having rooted for them back in the days, as their minor league team is twenty minutes from me and I'd go see them all the time.
Hey buddy, that's my team. You take your Scranton Shitsnacks and go to hell!
 

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