Why Is Health Care In America So Fucked Up?

Pimpernel Smith

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It's anecdotal evidence, but you should never ignore this, as often it is spot on especially regarding trends.

Still, not sufficient evidence for me that a one-stop-shop NHS solution will work in USA or ideally elsewhere. Insurance, compelled if need be, from a number of providers and a safety net for those who cannot afford is the way to go.
 

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It's anecdotal evidence, but you should never ignore this, as often it is spot on especially regarding trends.

Still, not sufficient evidence for me that a one-stop-shop NHS solution will work in USA or ideally elsewhere. Insurance, compelled if need be, from a number of providers and a safety net for those who cannot afford is the way to go.
My view was that the Dutch System is pretty good.
 

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My view was that the Dutch System is pretty good.
Yes, it is very good. When you've come from the rationed/how dare you infringe on the Doctor's precious time/come back when you've got the full blown disease/earn your treatment through pain process of the NHS, then it is a blessed relief. Things are so bad in the NHS to see your house doctor you have to book an appointment to book an appointment. No joke, that's 100% true.

Over here, I've always been able to get access to a doctor on the same day. Going to the hospital for an ''emergency'' means you will get access to treatment within half an hour maximum. No several hours waits like in the UK.

The NHS one-stop-shop is really not the answer for the rest of the world. So good it's never been copied elsewhere.
 

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I was commenting more on the Funding set up in .NL - but the service delivery seems to work fine too. And it caters for the rich, middle and underclass as well.
 

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All treated equally.

You have a number of insurance providers and you can pick and choose. In essence, they're pretty much equal. There are a number of different policies you can pay for, but there's not that much difference between them other than you can get some dentistry paid for and the first Euros 400 or thereabouts paid for. As long as you have any insurance you are free to pick which specialist is the best. There's no distinction between insurance providers or which policy you have chosen. Nor those who are getting the insurance covered by the state because of unemployment, disability.

You are obligated as adult to be covered with insurance. Also some of your salary goes to the state for health services which is on top of your insurance. It's around Euros 180.00 per month with own risk of up to Euros 400 per adult. That excludes what goes out of your salary, not exactly sure what this is, but I pay 52% in stoppages on my salary.
 

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You have a number of insurance providers and you can pick and choose. In essence, they're pretty much equal. There are a number of different policies you can pay for, but there's not that much difference between them other than you can get some dentistry paid for and the first Euros 400 or thereabouts paid for. As long as you have any insurance you are free to pick which specialist is the best. There's no distinction between insurance providers or which policy you have chosen. Nor those who are getting the insurance covered by the state because of unemployment, disability.
ok, but why is that necessary. youve already said the state provides insurance. why do you, as a society, NEED to pay a third party to provide additional insurances and take profits off of people's backs.

You are obligated as adult to be covered with insurance. Also some of your salary goes to the state for health services which is on top of your insurance. It's around Euros 180.00 per month with own risk of up to Euros 400 per adult. That excludes what goes out of your salary, not exactly sure what this is, but I pay 52% in stoppages on my salary.
what's a 'stoppage'?
 

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^Deeply depressing.

The thing that I find crazy about the US system is that whenever the US government (such as the Obama administration) attempts to change the US health care model to something akin to a universal-insurance model, rather than insurance linked to employment, a large chunk of people in the US will immediately start screaming "Communism! It's Communism!". However, under the current system, the US government still provides enormous subsidies to US business and the healthcare system - it's just done by providing tax breaks and indirect subsidies, rather than directly paying money to healthcare companies or insurers.
 

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but in my browser at least, the response is very small, fuzzy and totally illegible...
 

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You're not comparing like for like there. As an example, here in the Netherlands, you give birth and then you're on a mixed ward with people male and female with all kinds of other complaints and operations. And then you're out the next day. As they would want to be.

You cannot seriously expect those who are under the NHS to comprehend the state of the art treatment in the USA.

The costs in the UK are hidden, but they are there non-the-less.
 

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You're not comparing like for like there. As an example, here in the Netherlands, you give birth and then you're on a mixed ward with people male and female with all kinds of other complaints and operations. And then you're out the next day. As they would want to be.

You cannot seriously expect those who are under the NHS to comprehend the state of the art treatment in the USA.

The costs in the UK are hidden, but they are there non-the-less.
This post makes no sense at all. Its juding based upon cost. Thats it. This foolish idea of superior medical care in the united states that you keep trotting out is laughable. Premium care is reserved for the ultra wealthy and our managerial overlords. People on the street in the US arent getting 'state of the art treatment'. Theyre getting the same dogshit treatment as the rest of the populace. But people on the street in the UK are treated markedly better and they dont have to mortgage one of their organs on the black market for that privilege.
 

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Pimpernel Smith im sure that with better codes and manuals the citizens of this county could shave at least 10 minutes off their drive out of town so that they can get their babies delivered.
 
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