Why Is Health Care In America So Fucked Up?

Thruth said:
as per usual. Not respecting informed consent choices has always been a thing for non-whites. Few know that 25% of Native American women were sterilized without consent in the 70's.
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You should check out Dark Water on AMC. It’s a crime show about set on a Navajo reservation in the early 70’s. They actually reference forced sterilization multiple times. It’s been a really good watch so far.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Make up your minds, I thought you guys were into abortion and not having kids? The reasons cited for this was improving their financial and quality of life, the same mass abortion ticket argument as now. But we regress, do you honestly believe that in the USA now, there's forced treatments being carried on a racial basis of birthing people because they're non-white? They'd be litigation like never before.

Edit: Apologies, I forgot to mention LGBTQ+ folk as well, as we all know, this kind of shit effects them more than womxn, but by choice in most cases.
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Just like you to gloss over the forced part of forced sterilization part. That would make a nice custom title: "Forced Sterilization Supporter".

You will have to switch from Buzz to At the Front, though.
 
Thruth said:
Just like you to gloss over the forced part of forced sterilization part. That would make a nice custom title: "Forced Sterilization Supporter".

You will have to switch from Buzz to At the Front, though.
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Dude, nothing wrong with Buzz Rickson's gear, especially as it pisses off all the right people.

I've glossed over nothing, merely exposed your lying, timid morality.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Dude, nothing wrong with Buzz Rickson's gear, especially as it pisses off all the right people.

I've glossed over nothing, merely exposed your lying, timid morality.
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Oh, Herr Sterilizer, you always miss the point whether by nature or on purpose. it is also not about you wearing Buzz and dancing like a prat at oldies concerts. Pissing off the right people? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sweetie, you just need to acquire the right gear to better support your forced sterilization POV. Buzz does not make repro German unis but At the Front Does. Pretty simple to understand.

I rarely post anything in this thread and you accuse me of lying? What an silly cunt you are indeed. Pick a good music vid for your typical I've-run-out-of-words that even make to me response.

This Buzz tee will be out soon. Get it. It will come in yellow and baby blue too.
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Thruth said:
Oh, Herr Sterilizer, you always miss the point whether by nature or on purpose. it is also not about you wearing Buzz and dancing like a prat at oldies concerts. Pissing off the right people? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sweetie, you just need to acquire the right gear to better support your forced sterilization POV. Buzz does not make repro German unis but At the Front Does. Pretty simple to understand.

I rarely post anything in this thread and you accuse me of lying? What an silly cunt you are indeed. Pick a good music vid for your typical I've-run-out-of-words that even make to me response.

This Buzz tee will be out soon. Get it. It will come in yellow and baby blue too.
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Calm down our kid, it was you who started the ad hominem on my taste in t-shirts. Don't be like soldier boy getting all bitter and twisted because I didn't earn my medals at My Lai in Vietnam, or wasn't an extra in the John Wayne 1944 outing The Fighting Seabees.

It was distasteful 5-6-7 years ago now when you liberals decided the best means of debate was to accuse the opposition of right wing skin head thuggery or being members of Neo-Nazi groups like your prime minister does who has done so much to diminish your nation's stature with his fascist fiat actions. But I digress, as if I would be buying SS Einsatzgruppen uniform and insignia from At The Front to wear. Again, distasteful.

But I assume you were smoking weed when you wrote that word salad. It was rather difficult to dissect.
 
Pimpernel Smith said:
Calm down our kid, it was you who started the ad hominem on my taste in t-shirts. Don't be like soldier boy getting all bitter and twisted because I didn't earn my medals at My Lai in Vietnam, or wasn't an extra in the John Wayne 1944 outing The Fighting Seabees.

It was distasteful 5-6-7 years ago now when you liberals decided the best means of debate was to accuse the opposition of right wing skin head thuggery or being members of Neo-Nazi groups like your prime minister does who has done so much to diminish your nation's stature with his fascist fiat actions. But I digress, as if I would be buying SS Einsatzgruppen uniform and insignia from At The Front to wear. Again, distasteful.

But I assume you were smoking weed when you wrote that word salad. It was rather difficult to dissect.
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1. I am calm.

2. I'm just not ignoring your default position of never staying on point.

3. This response is a perfect example of you running in all directions like projectile diarrhea.

4. You toss word salads on a dime.

5. Why do you see an imaginary stolen valour issue here since no one else sees it?

6. I have no idea why I am in your your imaginary liberal category.

7. Trudeau has nothing to do with this exchange, I'll agree with you that he is a fucktard sending Canada down the tubes, I have never voted Liberal and I am not sure what Trudeau and Canada has to do with me and you?

8. You spout "ad hominem, ad hominem" like a intellectually-challenged Chicken Little.

9. I enjoy your attempt at jibes back at me but I would appreciate if you focused on the topic while doing so. If my weed-addled brain can do it, I am sure you can do it too.

10. Don't worry, I will leave all the "ad hominem, ad hominem" to you.

See what has to be gone through to get back on point? I was simply surprised that you have no problems with governments rendering segments of their populations infertile with irreversible procedures without consent. That is all. You ignore it and continue to generate cover smoke. That speaks volumes.

Anyway, respond with one of your typical 3 responses:

1. Post any off-topic points that occur to you - that is easiest and most common for you.

2. Post a music video that you feel represents your POV better than your words.

3. Pull off one of your patented faux quitting the forum rants, lurk and return.

Thanks in advance!
 


Our doctors and healthcare system are so absolutely dogshit that this is what passes as medical information on the internet

Dropbear Dropbear might want to update the CDC on this.
 
Grand Potentate said:


Our doctors and healthcare system are so absolutely dogshit that this is what passes as medical information on the internet

Dropbear Dropbear might want to update the CDC on this.
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the system is fucked up despite this. Two bimbos with MFAs can say whatever they want in the US, can't they? There are chimps like this in Canada too.
 
Thruth said:
the system is fucked up despite this. Two bimbos with MFAs can say whatever they want in the US, can't they? There are chimps like this in Canada too.
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Of course. Shit like this is becoming more and more prevalent on TikTok
 
www.nytimes.com

They Were Entitled to Free Care. Hospitals Hounded Them to Pay. (Published 2022)

With the help of a consulting firm, the Providence hospital system trained staff to wring money out of patients, even those eligible for free care.
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They Were Entitled to Free Care. Hospitals Hounded Them to Pay.​

With the help of a consulting firm, the Providence hospital system trained staff to wring money out of patients, even those eligible for free care.
 

If you need a reminder about how much liberals don't give a shit about working class people, then see no further than Canada's new dental care "plan" - Hexbear

Canada is about to unveil the "biggest expansion of the public health system in 60 years" , or at least that's what the headlines and political party apparatchiks will tell you. While this is technically true, it's important to understand how this new programme began, and how it was slowly and...
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Thruth Thruth i saw this and thought of you
 
Grand Potentate said:

If you need a reminder about how much liberals don't give a shit about working class people, then see no further than Canada's new dental care "plan" - Hexbear

Canada is about to unveil the "biggest expansion of the public health system in 60 years" , or at least that's what the headlines and political party apparatchiks will tell you. While this is technically true, it's important to understand how this new programme began, and how it was slowly and...
www.hexbear.net www.hexbear.net

Thruth Thruth i saw this and thought of you
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The writer is a fucking idiot with too much political spin on the fringes rather than spinning the meat of the matter. Not unlike the No-nothing ass crack for a chin cleft limey-Dutch cunt who quit recently. Or any Austrian grifter on the dole who never provides evidence for spouting shit.

Having been intimately involved in this shit show from the get go, here is the thruth.

Dentacare is the brainchild of the New Democratic Party, left of centre, socialist-lite 'tards who are in a confidence and supply agreement to support the Liberal minority government until 2025, which prevents a vote of no-confidence bringing down the government prior to the next federal election. They should have done pharmacare first, which is another NDP platform promise.

The plan was to provide basic dental care for 75% of the Canadian population who have a family income of $90,000 or less per year. Co-pays are in play until the $80,000 and below threshold. There will be prohibitions as well as frequency limitations.

We spend $16 billion Canadian on dental care in this country with 94% being private dental benefit plans via employment and 6% public benefits for the poors.

The arguments for why the plan is messed is not that different from the arguments against Obamacare by those who enjoyed decent to excellent health care benefits via employment.

The feds severely underestimated the cost of dental care most likely on purpose until they were called on it from outside of government as well as by the parliamentary budget office. They then decided to roll it out in stages:

1. 12 and under this year and 2023
2. under 18 + gimps + seniors in 2024
3. The rest of the over 18 eligible crowd in 2025 (unless an election happens).

The proposed plan did not commit to :

1. pay the prevailing fee guide cost in the province of delivery and would rather pay pennies on the dollar like medicaid dental benefits.

2. protect of existing employer-based dental benefit plans, allowing employers to dump quality dental benefit plans for the lower benefits of the federal plan.

Because they dragged their feet and shit their pant over the total cost to insure the entire eligible population, they decided to roll out at least the under 18 plan to keep the NDP in line and to cap costs by the end of the year as "promised."

It is not universal because that is backward in this day and age, and it should be targeted to the population that is most at risk. 20% of Canadians from lower middle class down to the lowest SES class partially/completely avoid seeking dental care in any year because of costs.

As for the $650 over two years for kids, as a provider I can exhaust that without doing much actual dental treatment at all. As it stands now, the feds were forced to capitulate to agree to:

1. reimburse fees at the prevailing provincial fee guide rates
2. employers cannot ditch employment-based dental benefits plans
3. means testing is by the federal government based on the previous year's income tax reducing admin costs
4. it will be paid as a tax benefit
 
Thruth said:
The writer is a fucking idiot with too much political spin on the fringes rather than spinning the meat of the matter. Not unlike the No-nothing ass crack for a chin cleft limey-Dutch cunt who quit recently. Or any Austrian grifter on the dole who never provides evidence for spouting shit.
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after i read your first sentence my thought was "think of him like a left pimpernel" and so it seems you read my mind on that.

Thruth said:
Having been intimately involved in this shit show from the get go, here is the thruth.
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out of curiosity, how were you involved, other than being a provider and whatnot?

Thruth said:
The feds severely underestimated the cost of dental care most likely on purpose until they were called on it from outside of government as well as by the parliamentary budget office. They then decided to roll it out in stages:

1. 12 and under this year and 2023
2. under 18 + gimps + seniors in 2024
3. The rest of the over 18 eligible crowd in 2025 (unless an election happens).

The proposed plan did not commit to :

1. pay the prevailing fee guide cost in the province of delivery and would rather pay pennies on the dollar like medicaid dental benefits.

2. protect of existing employer-based dental benefit plans, allowing employers to dump quality dental benefit plans for the lower benefits of the federal plan.

Because they dragged their feet and shit their pant over the total cost to insure the entire eligible population, they decided to roll out at least the under 18 plan to keep the NDP in line and to cap costs by the end of the year as "promised."

It is not universal because that is backward in this day and age, and it should be targeted to the population that is most at risk. 20% of Canadians from lower middle class down to the lowest SES class partially/completely avoid seeking dental care in any year because of costs.

As for the $650 over two years for kids, as a provider I can exhaust that without doing much actual dental treatment at all. As it stands now, the feds were forced to capitulate to agree to:

1. reimburse fees at the prevailing provincial fee guide rates
2. employers cannot ditch employment-based dental benefits plans
3. means testing is by the federal government based on the previous year's income tax reducing admin costs
4. it will be paid as a tax benefit
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This is why i was curious on your take of the whole thing. the $650 number and income verification limits struck me as exactly like obamacare so it seemed like it was setup to fail from the start.
 
Grand Potentate said:
after i read your first sentence my thought was "think of him like a left pimpernel" and so it seems you read my mind on that.
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Absolutely.

Grand Potentate said:
out of curiosity, how were you involved, other than being a provider and whatnot?
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I was directly involved in the consultations with the Health Minister and his team of wonky policy wonks.
Grand Potentate said:
This is why i was curious on your take of the whole thing. the $650 number and income verification limits struck me as exactly like obamacare so it seemed like it was setup to fail from the start.
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I found myself thinking of the Obamacare debate when I laid out the problem list for the first time. The industry feared being bankrupted if the Feds implemented what they originally presented. So shades of Medicaid too in terms of pennies on the dollar, increased admin time and people wanting to opt out and do a smaller amount of pro bono instead. $650 goes a long way with exams, diagnosis, and prevention. Not so much when you pull out the drill. Having dental benefits is meaningless if you are too dense and wait until it hurts. Or you live 1,000 miles from care or you are a shut-in.
 
Thruth said:
$650 goes a long way with exams, diagnosis, and prevention.
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maybe up by you. not down here. i don't know what they bill medicaid here but for normal insurance they bill ~$300 for a regular visit and xrays. i think cleanings are a bit less.



Thruth said:
Having dental benefits is meaningless if you are too dense and wait until it hurts.
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or if you need a lot of work done, sadly.

i assume everyone will accept this and its not going to be just limited to certain providers like a medicaid scheme?

Thruth said:
I was directly involved in the consultations with the Health Minister and his team of wonky policy wonks.
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get out. that's pretty cool. i hope you advocated for carte blanche that everyone could get whatever they needed when they needed it.
 
Grand Potentate said:
maybe up by you. not down here. i don't know what they bill medicaid here but for normal insurance they bill ~$300 for a regular visit and xrays. i think cleanings are a bit less.
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US Medicaid reimbursement is less than 50%. As for insurance or paying out of pocket the costs are similar here but in CAD. Point is the tax credit covers $650 per kid per year with or without co-pays depending on income. The intention is to help families afford dental care not to cover every cost. If you are a decent parent that is all you need because you watch your kid's diet and monitor their brushing so they should not be rot-mouthed little turds, which only happens out of neglect. It will also cover fluoride, sealants on the chewing surfaces of teeth. You don't need radiographs the next year so there is even more $$ to spend. Obviously is not going to cover high end things like braces.

Grand Potentate said:
i assume everyone will accept this and its not going to be just limited to certain providers like a medicaid scheme?

get out. that's pretty cool. i hope you advocated for carte blanche that everyone could get whatever they needed when they needed it.
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Every provider will opt in as they get paid 100% of the fee guide or alternatively what they are charging above the fee guide. We don't different fees for insurance versus paying out of pocket. My recommendations were to insure high risk patients with comprehensive care but the feds wanted more Canadians covered with less benefits.
 
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