Why Is Health Care In America So Fucked Up?

Fwiffo said:
Our children’s hospital reached 12 hours. At least in the States you can pay cash to get ahead of the queue.
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You don't jump the triage queue at a US emergency department with $$. My buddy broke his neck in Orlando and we sat in emergency at the local hospital for 5 hours and then he waited at the tertiary care hospital for another two hours. Emergency departments in both countries are full of people who should not be there which results in long waiting times.
 
Thruth said:
You don't jump the triage queue at a US emergency department with $$. My buddy broke his neck in Orlando and we sat in emergency at the local hospital for 5 hours and then he waited at the tertiary care hospital for another two hours. Emergency departments in both countries are full of people who should not be there which results in long waiting times.
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I think people get confused by the urgent care clinics here - basically just 24/7, no appointment clinics that specialise in minor emergencies. Often staffed by PAs and great if you need a few stitches and don’t want to wait around at a real hospital.

A lot of insurance plans won’t contribute much to your visit and they are kind of expensive. Sadly, there are also locals who go there thinking they are at a real hospital only to get a massive bill for minimal help that their insurance won’t help with.
 
just found out my monthly insurance payment is going up to $1285 from $1050.

if anyone knows a horny immigrant with a good corporate job and gold plated health insurance that's looking for a green card, please let me know.
 
Grand Potentate said:
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Canada’s Health Care System Is on Life Support

After decades of cuts, Canada’s public healthcare system is in crisis. The results of austerity are not theoretical — people are dying in Canada’s waiting rooms.
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canada edition
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Nothing new. Actually my company is debating whether coverage that includes repatriation back to Canada by air ambulance and commercial means makes any sense. Your home province's hospitals are likely full so you might as well get transferred to a proper medical facility in whichever foreign country you fell ill and try to get fixed up there.
 
Americans spend more on healthcare than other similar countries. This fact is not in dispute – but the causes of this disparity are often debated. It is common to use this fact to support whatever narrative you want to tell about American healthcare. It is often used to imply that Americans are sicker, or that the healthcare we deliver is less effective. But there is likely a simpler explanation.

First let’s look at the numbers. In 2021 the US spent 17.8% of GDP on healthcare, $10,687 per person. The next closest country was Germany who spent 12.8% and $6,524 per person. At the low end, South Korea spent 8.8% and $2,874 per person. The US is clearly an outlier for industrialized nations.

Of note, US citizens do not have the highest out-of-pocket healthcare expenses ($1,225 per household). That would be Switzerland at $1,577. South Korea, who has the lowest total cost, has one of the highest out-of-pocket costs at $1,040. The countries with the lowest household cost were those with socialized medicine, in the $500-$800 range.

There are a number of hypotheses to explain the US outlier effect. Americans may be more unhealthy, requiring more healthcare. American healthcare may rely more on expensive advanced technology. We may deliver unnecessarily more healthcare with diminishing returns. The delivery and payment for healthcare may be less efficient. Or, Americans may be simply paying more for essentially the same healthcare. All of these things may be true to some extent at the same time.

While there are important demographic differences between US citizens and other industrialized nations, the gap in conditions like obesity and diabetes is closing and does not explain the cost difference. What the research primarily shows is that Americans pay more for the same healthcare services.

A 2018 study published in JAMA found that social spending and healthcare utilization were not substantially different between the US and other similar countries. Rather, the main difference that explains the higher costs is that the same healthcare goods and services simply cost more in the US.

Part of the issue is administrative costs, which are estimated to be between 15% and 30% of all healthcare costs in the US. This is partly due to the fact that the US system is more complex than most other similar nations. The primarily problem, however, is not the complexity itself but the lack of standardization. Our patchwork system has no standardized forms or rules. There are entire occupations, such as coding and billing specialists, that don’t even exist in other countries. This is an area where thoughtful regulation could impose standardization on the industry to reduce costs and administrative waste.

Drug prices are another outlier. About 9% of total healthcare costs, and 12% of personal costs, were due to prescription drugs. Total drug costs were estimated to be 2.5 times higher than similar industrialized nations. That alone can account for a significant portion of higher US healthcare costs. For some individual drugs, they can cost 10 times as much in the US than other nations. This is entirely due to the fact that the US does not regulate drug prices while other countries do, therefore the pharmaceutical industry will simply make the bulk of its profit in the US where it can charge as much as the market will allow.

Hospital care is perhaps the single biggest contributor to US healthcare costs, amounting to 31% of total healthcare expenses. Again, in the US the same hospital services can cost 2-3 times as much as identical services in other countries. US hospitals charge more for everything from MRI scans to knee surgery.

Meanwhile, utilization of hospital services is not dramatically different in the US vs similar countries. The US is average-to-slightly-above-average in terms if ordering MRI scans and performing knee surgery.

What all this means is that if we are going to address the extremely high and rising healthcare costs in the US we will need to follow the evidence. Reducing hospital stays and healthcare utilization will have only a negligible impact. There are some marginal gains to be made when it comes to practicing cost-effective medicine. You don’t really need to prescribe that new expensive drug when and older cheaper drug is essentially equivalent. We definitely need to keep an eye on the overall efficiency of healthcare delivery and practice. But when it comes to overall costs, such measures are just nibbling around the edges.

The dominant factor in increased US healthcare costs is that we pay more for the same goods and services. This is due to the regulatory and market environment in the US. A large piece of this is also our increased administrative costs, which is likely the lowest hanging fruit when it comes to reducing healthcare costs. Standardizing and streamlining healthcare administration is a no-brainer. Allowing Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate for drug prices is another measure with broad expert support. Drug prices should be more equitably distributed among industrialized nations (while subsidizing poorer nations). Hospital costs need to be brought in line with more international standards as well.

The good news is – these are all straightforward regulatory issues which can be informed by many examples in other nations. We can dramatically reduce US healthcare costs, and bring them in line with international averages, without having to wrestle with complex demographic or biomedical issues that don’t have clear solutions.

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    Founder and currently Executive Editor of Science-Based Medicine Steven Novella, MD is an academic clinical neurologist at the Yale University School of Medicine. He is also the host and producer of the popular weekly science podcast, The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe, and the author of the NeuroLogicaBlog, a daily blog that covers news and issues in neuroscience, but also general science, scientific skepticism, philosophy of science, critical thinking, and the intersection of science with the media and society. Dr. Novella also has produced two courses with The Great Courses, and published a book on critical thinking - also called The Skeptics Guide to the Universe.
 
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"Like thousands of other migrants, Orlando wound up in New York City's public hospital system, where he was diagnosed with esophageal cancer and began chemotherapy and radiation treatments. He’s now able to eat and speak clearly, and he’s certain he wouldn’t still be alive had he decided to remain in Venezuela.

Orlando, who asked to be identified by his first name because of safety concerns, is one of the more than 116,000 migrants who have arrived in New York since April 2022, placing an enormous strain on the city’s public hospital system.

In the past year alone, medical centers across the five boroughs have received nearly 30,000 visits from undocumented migrants seeking medical care, according to data from New York City Health + Hospitals, which operates the city’s public hospitals and clinics. About 300 new babies have been born to migrant moms during that period, most at Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, which has seen one-quarter of the overall migrant visits."

In the video it says 25% of hospital patients are migrants...
 
fxh fxh as a head shrinker I thought you might find this article fascinating:

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Scientific Misconduct and Fraud: The Final Nail in Psychiatry’s Antidepressant Coffin

Historically, there have always been some patients who report that any treatment for depression—including bloodletting—has worked for them, but science demands that for a treatment to be deemed truly effective, it must work better than a placebo or the passage of time without any treatment. This...
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There is a great This Is Hell podcast episode with the author of the piece should you be interested.
 
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