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[The Shooman]

The Lattanzi curse

Lattanzi shoes worn about 8 times. Both soles came apart after about 4 wears due to brittle stitching. Bought new. btw, not my hand.

Another lattanzi shoe after about 10 wears. Bought new. Both soles came apart after about 6 wears.

What the shoe looked like not long ago:

Thought it was supposed to be 12 spi on the soles. See all the tiny stitches

But after ripping up the soles l found these big stitches, about 6 spi.

But that isn't the worst of it. It's the lies, the false promises and the deceptions from **** that l disliked the most. Did not deal with the situation with honour at all, more like a used car salesman.

Tally so far:
- 1 Lattanzi shoe lost in mail
- 2 new Lattanzi shoes fall apart after a handful of wearings
(3/7 pairs = end in tears)

I have never had shoos come apart ever, only my Lattanzis.

 

[QuandoDio]

So Lattanzi's are not the biggest daddy of them all. It is more Baba Yaga?

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

The Lattanzi curse

Lattanzi shoes worn about 8 times. Both soles came apart after about 4 wears due to brittle stitching. Bought new. btw, not my hand.
View attachment 44498


Another lattanzi shoe after about 10 wears. Bought new. Both soles came apart after about 6 wears.
View attachment 44504

What the shoe looked like not long ago:

View attachment 44506

Thought it was supposed to be 12 spi on the soles. See all the tiny stitches
View attachment 44499

But after ripping up the soles l found these big stitches, about 6 spi.
View attachment 44501

But that isn't the worst of it. It's the lies, the false promises and the deceptions from **** that l disliked the most. Did not deal with the situation with honour at all, more like a used car salesman.

Tally so far:
- 1 Lattanzi shoe lost in mail
- 2 new Lattanzi shoes fall apart after a handful of wearings
(3/7 pairs = end in tears)

I have never had shoos come apart ever, only my Lattanzis.

A very unfortunate experience.
I am a strictly Northampton RTW man and for clothes it's mainly off-the-peg. In the distant past, in England, it was MTM at high street places like Montague Burton, the inspiration for the idiom 'the full Monty' , John Collier and Hepworth.

The worst suit I have ever had was bespoke. It took forever and I gave it away to a street cleaner after wearing it once. Customer satisfaction cannot be discounted when we consider the success of mass production.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

I have never had shoos come apart ever, only my Lattanzis.

But what about all those discussions we used to have on FNB about gemming failure and machined GYW?

 

[Panama]

I have just ordered these...

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Here they are...

 

[The Shooman]

So Lattanzi's are not the biggest daddy of them all. It is more Baba Yaga?

The heels on all the shoes have also worn down in record time. AND, when l send that tan derby for a resole Mr Lattanzi put my dirty old topy back on the shoes instead of a new one. Yes, he put the old topy back on.

That being said, all of the shoes have the best leather uppers l have ever seen, and they are the most beautiful shoes l have ever seen. Shoes of this quality should not come apart and it is a mystery why a shoemaker would use thread so brittle without knowing. None of the great makers do Norvegese like Lattanzi does, so this is strange things like this have occured. Maybe his staff are not doing things the right way, but **** has also handled things not well either.

 

[The Shooman]

The Lattanzi uppers are in a completely different league to Edward Green or Vass etc. The uppers are made in the same way as top bespoke shoes, ie, reinforcements to the uppers in strategic areas so the shoes will never look tired, + the leather which glissens in a way that only the highest quality leather can. I have Lobbs made from great Hermes leather, but even those don't compare to Lattanzi leather.

 

[Grand Potentate]

The Lattanzi curse

Lattanzi shoes worn about 8 times. Both soles came apart after about 4 wears due to brittle stitching. Bought new. btw, not my hand.
View attachment 44498


Another lattanzi shoe after about 10 wears. Bought new. Both soles came apart after about 6 wears.
View attachment 44504

What the shoe looked like not long ago:

View attachment 44506

Thought it was supposed to be 12 spi on the soles. See all the tiny stitches
View attachment 44499

But after ripping up the soles l found these big stitches, about 6 spi.
View attachment 44501

But that isn't the worst of it. It's the lies, the false promises and the deceptions from **** that l disliked the most. Did not deal with the situation with honour at all, more like a used car salesman.

Tally so far:
- 1 Lattanzi shoe lost in mail
- 2 new Lattanzi shoes fall apart after a handful of wearings
(3/7 pairs = end in tears)

I have never had shoos come apart ever, only my Lattanzis.

jesus this sucks a big dick. sorry you had to go through this shooey. do you guys have credit card chargebacks in australia? did you talk to the main store in Italy? i know you're not a man who likes a battle but i'd sooner drop dead than i would let these cocksuckers pawn this piece of shit work off on me.

 

[klementine]

I see. So you like walking round with a worn down sole at the toe, Klementine. Why do you think the smart French always topy leather soles? And not only the Frenchies: even Big Daddy Shoomen such as Shooey have been known to do it.

Talking of Porches, my boy has one. Not sure which number though. I'll have to ask him.

wow, wow, wow, french people are not that smart, if you think, do you? most of my shoes have toe taps, it's kind of a mental thing, because, if you have good shoes, the toe spring is preventive, but the toe tap makes the difference. been there, done that for more than thirty years. give me your references ...

nowadays, I mostly wear deck shoes(see below), living by a lake, think of geneva, but it's not. just a tad smaller. same habits.

btw and not to rain on anyone's parade. shooey is not an expert by any standard in the "real" shoe world, if something like this exists in mankind. if you follow his path for around fifteen years across the various fora. e.g. his sock "son of saphir", you might consider your attitude or his. he is very opportunistic in his exposures and assessments. literally, he is a clown. always good for a laugh, no more or less, sorry. to be fair, he is harmless, his donkeys are ridden to death, that's all. bon chance, bello.

now, here is the story about deck shoes: you know, the good stuff, sperry top sider, marine pool, sebago, timberland boat shoe(the special one, which is really good), you name it. I "forgot" a pair on the riviera balcony. now, the sole is "baked" and it's more like ice skating, anyway.

nevertheless, if you think topy, which is a helicopter term, is good. just do it and just leave me alone with this nonsense/crap.

I do not own hundred pair of shoes, patronized more than thousand shoe repairs and foremost talked to a dozen of bespoke makers to for nothing.

conclusio: putting protection soles on good shoes is crap, nothing else, nothing to add. get your act together and tell me about your success stories about shoe rape. many thanks. my mojo is good, yolo, I hope your's is the same, bello.

 

[klementine]

So, am I right in thinking you don't like to topy, klementine?

I don't care. time is too precious to waste it on crap, do you agree?

 

[güero]

when l send that tan derby for a resole Mr Lattanzi put my dirty old topy back on the shoes instead of a new one.

There might be a message in there?

I am sorry for your experience. As one of the great philosophers once put it: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, you can’t get fooled again.

 

[The Shooman]

jesus this sucks a big dick. sorry you had to go through this shooey. do you guys have credit card chargebacks in australia?

Not able to use credit cards from Australia in many european countries. Had to send a bank wire transfer which took 30 minutes to convey all the details because the numbers and details were so long and complex. Filled an entire A4 page. Ridiculous.

did you talk to the main store in Italy?

Yes, none of them care. Lies and more lies there as well.

i know you're not a man who likes a battle but i'd sooner drop dead than i would let these cocksuckers pawn this piece of shit work off on me.

The whole team give off a terrible vibe.

 

[klementine]

But what about all those discussions we used to have on FNB about gemming failure and machined GYW?

not so many in the days I have appareant, anyway. nh rtw is cutting corners. it's rarely visible to the customer.

consider, the sole material is the biggest factor in the calculation. plus, the work is hard and it's not attractive at the low wages for young guns. loyalty is gone long time ago. this ship has sailed.

producing a shoe is not rocket science, but it takes a bit. this bit is almost exclusively gone ...

on a random note: have you reckognized that every other idiot opens his own shoe label. I stopped counting, but my guess there has been a three digit expansion just alone from the various fora.

two months on styfo makes you a legitime producer of shoes, sure, why not? imo, this market is overflown and handed over to marketing people. particularly styfo is harsh on criticism of their golden goose eggs, banned is their answer. you can fight it legally. it's not worth the dough.

sammy, be serious, I've done my homework and meanwhile I just don't care. I love my deckshoes, I've twenty pairs beside my hundred pairs of real shoes. so, what do you want to tell me about shoes and their integrity. is there anything new? tell me, please.

you can tell me about your shoes and what you like about them. that's all that counts at the end of the day. I have done my homework and everyone, e.g. Thruth is entitled to have his opinion, fair.

I'm just ignoring stories about bs, just because it's comfortable. consider, I studied books about shoemaking from the good old days. you make a shoe with a leather sole or you make a shoe with rubber sole. you need different lasts to do this properly. this is the bread and butter of shoemaking.

please, stop messing around with me, if you don't have the knowledege, do you. it took me thirty years to gain my knowledge, still learning and you tell me, you just glue a bloody piece of rubber on your rtw shoes. stop that bs and start to listen. fair enough-

take care my friend, rome wasn't built in a day ....

.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

btw and not to rain on anyone's parade. shooey is not an expert by any standard in the "real" shoe world, if something like this exists in mankind. if you follow his path for around fifteen years across the various fora. e.g. his sock "son of saphir", you might consider your attitude or his. he is very opportunistic in his exposures and assessments. literally, he is a clown. always good for a laugh, no more or less, sorry. to be fair, he is harmless, his donkeys are ridden to death, that's all. bon chance, bello

Shooey is probably the most knowledgeable of people on the fora, and the most enthusiastic regarding shoes. He also enjoys a laugh without a doubt.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

nowadays, I mostly wear deck shoes(see below), living by a lake, think of geneva, but it's not. just a tad smaller. same habits

Klementine my darling, if you mostly wear deck shoes and you have a hundred pairs of shoes and if you like clumping around in shoes with a metal cap at the front then perhaps you don't need a topy. But would you be good enough my darling to explain why you have the metal when you think good shoes don't need protecting. Thanks in advance.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Maybe (Lattanzi's) staff are not doing things the right way.

For the guy to have developed the great reputation that would seem to be the logical answer.

 

[The Shooman]

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[Sammy Ambrose]

Too many on the forums are faking it, ie, they get their knowledge from the forum internet, and professionals know it.

That has been the way with iGents since the beginning. The term iGent exists for a sound reason.

 

[The Shooman]

For the guy to have developed the great reputation that would seem to be the logical answer.

Lattanzi is a genious - a master shoemaker with a great creative mind. Words can't describe his abilities...he makes a shoo look like no other, they are so natural and balanced and perfect. I really wanted Lattanzi to be the biggest boy...it's been in my head for 20 years...Mr Lattanzi, bigger than a mountain, then it all came crashing down. I broke my bubble, and l don't like it. His flawed character gutted me. I wanted to be good mates, because l understood his genious mind, and we are both shoo lovers; but instead he chewed me up and spat me out. Such a shame.

 

[The Shooman]

That has been the way with iGents since the beginning. The term iGent exists for a sound reason.

Like with Gerd, l can't post on the other forums. I have never read such inane posting on shoes from so many `so called' forum celebrity superstars who know nothing. See...these blokes got their education on the forums. One highly regarded expert recommended going to a Savile Row tailor famous for collar gaps, and he also went to a famous shoemaker and got measured by a salesman and complained about the fit. When l explained that last makers measure feet for bespoke, not salesmen...he couldn't comprehend it. I suspect the maker outsourced his last to Springline because they knew he was a dope. These are people who give advice to everyone. It's all about puffing up egos, and professionals loathe them. The worst place to get advice on shoes are public forums, it is the blind leading the blind.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Lattanzi is a genious - a master shoemaker with a great creative mind. Words can't describe his abilities...he makes a shoo look like no other, they are so natural and balanced and perfect. I really wanted Lattanzi to be the biggest boy...it's been in my head for 20 years...Mr Lattanzi, bigger than a mountain, then it all came crashing down. I broke my bubble, and l don't like it. His flawed character gutted me. I wanted to be good mates, because l understood his genious mind, and we are both shoo lovers; but instead he chewed me up and spat me out. Such a shame.

I wouldn't take it personally, Shooey. It looks as if he has overstretched himself and given work to others not capable of doing it.

Don 't forget that some of the legendary painters would farm out some of the work to others. But the difference there was that they gave the work to those competent.

Lattanzi needs to be made to understand that his product was not of merchantable quality and he should reimburse you.

 

[Thruth]

not so many in the days I have appareant, anyway. nh rtw is cutting corners. it's rarely visible to the customer.

consider, the sole material is the biggest factor in the calculation. plus, the work is hard and it's not attractive at the low wages for young guns. loyalty is gone long time ago. this ship has sailed.

producing a shoe is not rocket science, but it takes a bit. this bit is almost exclusively gone ...

on a random note: have you reckognized that every other idiot opens his own shoe label. I stopped counting, but my guess there has been a three digit expansion just alone from the various fora.

two months on styfo makes you a legitime producer of shoes, sure, why not? imo, this market is overflown and handed over to marketing people. particularly styfo is harsh on criticism of their golden goose eggs, banned is their answer. you can fight it legally. it's not worth the dough.

sammy, be serious, I've done my homework and meanwhile I just don't care. I love my deckshoes, I've twenty pairs beside my hundred pairs of real shoes. so, what do you want to tell me about shoes and their integrity. is there anything new? tell me, please.

you can tell me about your shoes and what you like about them. that's all that counts at the end of the day. I have done my homework and everyone, e.g. Thruth is entitled to have his opinion, fair.

I'm just ignoring stories about bs, just because it's comfortable. consider, I studied books about shoemaking from the good old days. you make a shoe with a leather sole or you make a shoe with rubber sole. you need different lasts to do this properly. this is the bread and butter of shoemaking.

please, stop messing around with me, if you don't have the knowledege, do you. it took me thirty years to gain my knowledge, still learning and you tell me, you just glue a bloody piece of rubber on your rtw shoes. stop that bs and start to listen. fair enough-

take care my friend, rome wasn't built in a day ....

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You should end all of your posts with horses for courses and YMMV. I think it would be very appropriate.

 

[The Shooman]

^^^

Never knew it was my old mate. We should get together like old times and talk shoos.

 

[Barking Pugilist]

I don't care. time is too precious to waste it on crap, do you agree?

If looking after shoes that you have paid several hundred for is ‘crap’ then, yes I agree.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

on a random note: have you reckognized that every other idiot opens his own shoe label. I stopped counting, but my guess there has been a three digit expansion just alone from the various fora

I honestly wasn't aware of that development but that could be the way it is going.
Amazon product ASIN 0998707015

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

... putting protection soles on good shoes is crap, nothing else...

Don't watch this video if you have just eaten, klementine.

 

[The Shooman]

I honestly wasn't aware of that development but that could be the way it is going.
Amazon product ASIN 0998707015View attachment 44519

A lot of people have been taken in by the shoo trend online. They like the shoes and give it a go, but it is far from easy. Numerous up and coming shoe makers in Oz were warned by the old timers from the `shoo world' of the harsh reality of making custom hand sewn shoes, but none of them listened. The old guard told them "don't hand stitch the shoes, you'll make no money, glue the soles instead". None of them listened, and all of them crashed and burned. None are in the business anymore. All of them were filled with naive dreams of making it big, and it was spurred on by the internet. All of them were kids of course.

Even making glued soled custom shoes in Oz is tough...no name recognition, so many people aren't willing to pay $400 for a no name shoe without the fancy name. Paying for a stitched shoe makes it even harder, and that is why so few makers will stitch their shoes in Oz. Aussie people don't care about shoes. It takes years to make good shoes, and even if an aussie becomes good, he would have to develop a global market to survive, but who would travel all the way to Australia??

As for all these custom shoemakers who have started up, how many are surviving by solely making shoes? I bet many are surviving by making bags and other things.

One of Australia's best shoemakers spent the day explaining the economics of the custom shoe market in Oz (he taught me some things and was going to leave me his workshop), and it was eye opening. These young kids who read the internet don't know what they are getting into. It is not cool or glorious, it can be hard and stressful work (trying to manage the budget). When you start off, where do your customers come from?...they don't just appear. Even if you make shoes, few are able to charge the top prices. Most have to make shoes to a certain price range, especially in Oz.

 

[The Shooman]

The ones who have made it in the custom shoe business in oz have been brought up by the old guard. They know what they are getting into.

Jess Wooten was brought up by the old guard of great pedigree, with links to even the mighty George Koleff. Few people can boast such pedigree. He is a young bloke and one of the few making it in the custom shoo world, AND he stitches them too. He understands things that these naive kids never knew.

Shop | Wootten

Lester is new to shoemaking, but he knows all the old guard. Lester knows his market, the old guard advised him well. Notice how all his shoes are glued. He survives because he is not naive like all these kids today. Lester does o.k and his prices are just right for the aussie market. He only makes men's shoes, so he wouldn't make much money, so his costs must be low. I'll have to chat with Lester and see what he is up to.

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[Enrile]

The Lattanzi curse

Lattanzi shoes worn about 8 times. Both soles came apart after about 4 wears due to brittle stitching. Bought new. btw, not my hand.
View attachment 44498


Another lattanzi shoe after about 10 wears. Bought new. Both soles came apart after about 6 wears.
View attachment 44504

What the shoe looked like not long ago:

View attachment 44506

Thought it was supposed to be 12 spi on the soles. See all the tiny stitches
View attachment 44499

But after ripping up the soles l found these big stitches, about 6 spi.
View attachment 44501

But that isn't the worst of it. It's the lies, the false promises and the deceptions from **** that l disliked the most. Did not deal with the situation with honour at all, more like a used car salesman.

Tally so far:
- 1 Lattanzi shoe lost in mail
- 2 new Lattanzi shoes fall apart after a handful of wearings
(3/7 pairs = end in tears)

I have never had shoos come apart ever, only my Lattanzis.

This is probably sewn with a synthetic thread, when the linen thread is worn, the thread splits and splinters and its head becomes a kind of rivet. So the shoe cannot be opened in this way even if all its threads are worn.
Some may think that it is to save costs and they are right. It is not about the value of the thread, it is about the time that must be used to prepare the linen thread, time that must not be used to prepare the synthetic.
All these shortcuts can also be taken when sewing the welt, nobody will see it, but of course time puts it in its place.

 

[The Shooman]

This is probably sewn with a synthetic thread,

This is very interesting. Never thought Lattanzi would even think of using synthetic given the caliber of his shoes. .

when the linen thread is worn, the thread splits and splinters and its head becomes a kind of rivet. So the shoe cannot be opened in this way even if all its threads are worn.

Exactly, a proper lock stitch. However, many gyw use a sythetic thread now and they form a lockstitch which never comes undone (holding soles), so why would Lattanzi's come undone??

Lattanzi offered me numerous stories as to why they come undone, but they were pure nonsense, and l told him so. Have never had shoes come undone like this.

 

[The Shooman]

Is there a dedicated sneakers thread? If not, I have to post here - this is suitably neon-vomit inducing - still more cost effective than the Adidas-Gucci collaboration:

McLaren Will Sell $450 Sneakers With Push Into Fashion

The British supercar maker is expanding its luxury brand through a footwear debut with shoe label Athletic Propulsion Labs

www.bloomberg.com

On my way to the cobbler today I walked past about 12 people. Every single person had sneakers on. The conversation with the cobbler went like this:

Me: hey son, what's with all the blokes wearing sneakers outside? Why do they wear them?

Cobbler: it's about the comfort shooey

Me: ahh silly.

Cobbler: they'll be sorry one day, no foot support.

 

[Johnny]

Some of my latest , just 2 wears for each one for now

 

[The Shooman]

^^^

not only are you into good knitwear, you are also into good shoes. You are full of surprises J Johnny

 

[Enrile]

This is very interesting. Never thought Lattanzi would even think of using synthetic given the caliber of his shoes. .



Exactly, a proper lock stitch. However, many gyw use a sythetic thread now and they form a lockstitch which never comes undone (holding soles), so why would Lattanzi's come undone??

Lattanzi offered me numerous stories as to why they come undone, but they were pure nonsense, and l told him so. Have never had shoes come undone like this.

It's just a guess, but if it's sewn with a synthetic thread and the hole it goes through is much bigger than the thread....the hole is empty and the thread can escape.
Even to sew with the machine the thread must be suitable for the needle.

 

[Johnny]

^^^

not only are you into good knitwear, you are also into good shoes. You are full of surprises J Johnny

Thank you, those are some photos posted by the creator before shipping
Maybe when i will come back home i will make more photos, closer look at that patina service details

 

[klementine]

If looking after shoes that you have paid several hundred for is ‘crap’ then, yes I agree.

why didn't you do your due dilligence in the first place. please, don't cry after me, when you money is gone, easy. you guys have too much time on your hands and still buy expensive shoes just to destroy them, well done. I'm all for it, done. no need to say thank you ...

 

[klementine]

Some of my latest , just 2 wears for each one for nowView attachment 44542View attachment 44543View attachment 44544

sterile and fugly, done. nice try, btw.

 

[Thruth]

sterile and fugly, done. nice try, btw.

please post some of your shoos to show us how yours are better. thanks. it's kind of a thing around here when new members never have anything positive to say about anything, except their own expertise. we ask them to educate us. it is a menswear forum after all and exchanging ideas is the thing.

Do you have any Nile perch clodhoppers?

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

Some of my latest , just 2 wears for each one for nowView attachment 44542View attachment 44543View attachment 44544

They look great. Some pics of them on your feet would be good, Johnny.

 

[Sammy Ambrose]

(Klementine) please post some (pics) of your shoos to show us how yours are better.

Yes, be a darling, Klementine. I am on this forum to learn from the Big Daddies and you certainly seem to be the biggest of the Big. Pics of your shoes are breathtakingly awaited.