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Both my parents grew up in large poor families without education and through the depression as well. 12 kids on my fathers side. So they didn't have much money at all and during their later life we didn't have any real money to speak of.

My father always said that even if you were homeless you should have at least one good outfit that made you look at good as anyone else in any room you walk into. No matter how much money they had. And this one outfit was of prime importance and worth sacrificing other things to have. It was a necessity. . He was actually pretty fussy about clothes and although a laborer and farmer always dressed well. My mother didn't care as much if no one was around but could dress up to the 9s. Together going out they always looked great.

I think I had my first suit at 14.

I still subscribe to the philosophy of having at least one good outfit and looking good. Although for myself I've moved on a bit to having more clothes than most. I do spend time in organisations to give clothes to homeless, ex prisoners, alcoholics/addicts and street people and long term unemployed. I've never had a person I've dressed who hasn't wanted to look good. I've sent homeless blokes out in suits and ties looking better than most forum people and they always love it. Always. We also give them decent warm smart fashionable casual clothes and a hard wheeled suitcase to carry stuff around. They always walk tall. I've had hardened blokes cry and say they never thought they'd own a suit and never know how to wear a tie. And I feel good knowing I've sent some homeless bloke out looking better than 90% of men with easier lives.They know it and I know it. Its our secret fuck you to idiots.
 

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I was sitting over the road from a homeless guy at lunchtime today. He was wearing a white business shirt with the sleeves rolled up, a pair of dark trousers and a pair of black Adidas trainers. He also had a neat haircut. Unfortunately, his decent presentation was ruined by the fact that he was off his nut on a combination of alcohol and drugs and he was reeling around all over the place.

It made me reflect on just how close some people are to homelessness. Lose your job, miss some home repayments, have the house re-possessed and be unable to get accommodation for some reason (no family nearby, no deposit for rental property, have drink or drug problems), and you could conceivably end up on the streets.
 

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yeah - I don't care if people drink or take drugs.

Nothing better than looking great and being off your head on drugs/alcohol AND dressed up.

Look at Prince Nez f'rinstance.
 

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My grandparents were rich and and university-educated
My parents are rich and university-educated
I just rule
 

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I would add though that if you aren't very intelligent its a good idea to get a university education - as most people can't tell the difference.
 

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I think I read this thread just in the nick of time. Now if you'll excuse me, there is a large number of not-quite-desirable designer sport coats that I need to delete from my Ebay watchlist.
I call BS (if thats not already a well established sartorial acronym) on that millennial test - I am certainly too old and have taken entirely too many drugs to score 88
 

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I think I read this thread just in the nick of time. Now if you'll excuse me, there is a large number of not-quite-desirable designer sport coats that I need to delete from my Ebay watchlist.
I call BS (if thats not already a well established sartorial acronym) on that millennial test - I am certainly too old and have taken entirely too many drugs to score 88

yes, unfortunately you cannot use BS as it refers to Borrelli Sucks.
Right Sartodinapoli?
 

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I think I read this thread just in the nick of time. Now if you'll excuse me, there is a large number of not-quite-desirable designer sport coats that I need to delete from my Ebay watchlist.
I call BS (if thats not already a well established sartorial acronym) on that millennial test - I am certainly too old and have taken entirely too many drugs to score 88
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I got my Dad to do that test. He has a beard, buys vinyl, listens to the radio and makes his own bread. He got 100% millennial hipster
 

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this was a good thread
 

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I sure wish I read this thread before I had commissioned my suit and jacket...best thread on menswear by far
Think it get's harder to be into classical menswear on a budget, but not impossible. If you're a standard size, straight up and down, it's not that difficult. But you need to keep your eyes open and dare I say the archaic phrase, be a canny buyer.

You can save money straight away on socks: Uniqlo. The ribbed socks are good quality, €10 for 4.

Watches are tricky, as you get the Veblan effect and that instant I am the master flash of wrist with a conspicious show of luxury. But take comfort that most of the herd will only get a couple of watch references, most noticeably, Rolex. Then you have all the problems of wearing a luxury watch like getting them robbed in a long con or friendly taxi driver and his chums. A presentable and good quality watch can be sourced for less than 500 bucks: Seiko skydiver/original Cocktail time and the Orient Bambino.

Shoes, you're going to have to pay for quality. No work around there. But you can still do it without resorting to Edward Green or John Lobb, Paris.

Everything else is more problematic: suits, jackets, trousers, shirts and ties. And with the move towards more streetwear it will get harder. You're basically on your own there, running a gauntlet of what can be sourced locally to you and brave internet buying.
 

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Think it get's harder to be into classical menswear on a budget, but not impossible. If you're a standard size, straight up and down, it's not that difficult. But you need to keep your eyes open and dare I say the archaic phrase, be a canny buyer.

You can save money straight away on socks: Uniqlo. The ribbed socks are good quality, €10 for 4.

Watches are tricky, as you get the Veblan effect and that instant I am the master flash of wrist with a conspicious show of luxury. But take comfort that most of the herd will only get a couple of watch references, most noticeably, Rolex. Then you have all the problems of wearing a luxury watch like getting them robbed in a long con or friendly taxi driver and his chums. A presentable and good quality watch can be sourced for less than 500 bucks: Seiko skydiver/original Cocktail time and the Orient Bambino.

Shoes, you're going to have to pay for quality. No work around there. But you can still do it without resorting to Edward Green or John Lobb, Paris.

Everything else is more problematic: suits, jackets, trousers, shirts and ties. And with the move towards more streetwear it will get harder. You're basically on your own there, running a gauntlet of what can be sourced locally to you and brave internet buying.
Unfortunately I'm not a standard size - I'm very short, and have low torso:leg ratio, so almost nothing on the upper body fits, and usually the problems are not easily altered. I started trying to go bespoke mainly because of this.

Luckily, I live in a first world country and my family burden is not so big that I can't keep anything for myself. I'm by far not wealthy, but rarely anything I want is so prohibitively expensive that I can't afford. It's mainly a matter of buying quality items sparingly and I don't really have to cut corners. Quality watches and shoes can be very expensive, but I appreciate them more than I crave them so that doesn't affect me - I'm very happy with my Seiko and ~USD400-500 range shoes.

The main problem with me is that I get into things quickly - usually not for my own good. For example I usually place back to back orders from new tailors, instead of giving the first item a few wears first and improve upon it. This usually means I pay too much upfront, but the 2nd order doesn't improve as much as it should compared to the first, and then I'll be disappointed. I won't be broke because of this, but this leaves a bad taste in the mouth because I'm not rich enough to say the money is nothing, and the money could be better spent elsewhere.

I guess my mindset is that I very rarely want any "luxury". If I could get what I want cheap I wouldn't pay more for that, but at the same time I would throw unreasonable amount of money for something that fits me and my lifestyle perfectly. Maybe instead of "bespoke", I'm more looking for "unspoken perfection". Perhaps that goal is more luxurious than looking for luxuries - since no such thing exist.
 
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