Passaggio Cravatte - The Scandal Continues

[Sartodi Napoli]

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ME TO THE TRUNK SHOW TO SEE ALL OF MY THIRSTY WARES! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY POWER. SO UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE A CROOK OR NOT.

Jajaja. Those tackys must be done doing the train on the hotel one behind each other doing rim jobs, wasn't it? Unbelragazza and my haters. Rectomites...

Ey how do you know a message was sent to Cromptie? The tacky got scared?

 

[Thruth]

Has Gianni offered any defense beyond "Neapolitan business (except me!) is dirty and dishonest and look at this photo of beautiful thirst printed by hand many decades ago!" I have yet to see anything.

Not in public. Dieworkwear states that Gianni has replied to him via email.

 

[Thruth]

S

COME TO THE TRUNK SHOW TO SEE ALL OF MY THIRSTY WARES! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY POWER. SO UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE A CROOK OR NOT.

Strangely, after following the Passaggio saga, I'm starting to prefer this type of English. Kind of like reading an ee cummings poem. I think I understand it but get much more out of it when I read it again and again.

 

[Thruth]

Wait, he's trying to say 'silk'?
http://translation.babylon.com/italian/to-english/sete/

It amuses me greatly that sum translates closely to thirty ounces of silver in the current market.

30 pieces of silver to allow Gianni to quench my thirst for thirst! A bargain, no?

 

[Grand Potentate]

I have to say I've been chuckling at the thumping that Gianni has taken today.

He's getting takes over the coals.

The best post of the day had to be ThinkDerm's "I have the same tie. Is it vintage?" After a pictorial exposition showing that it clearly wasn't.

 

[Grand Potentate]

I suppose the forum boss(es) aren't joining the fray huh?

Who, Fok and J? Why would they give a fuck? This asshole is paying them 6 bills a month, plus this bunch of horseshit is attracting all sorts of traffic. It's a win win for them.

 

[ConchitaWurst]

Who, Fok and J? Why would they give a fuck? This asshole is paying them 6 bills a month, plus this bunch of horseshit is attracting all sorts of traffic. It's a win win for them.

yes, but on the other hand it does look like they are backing a fraud, don't you think?

 

[Grand Potentate]

yes, but on the other hand it does look like they are backing a fraud, don't you think?

And? What's the liability to them? Their reputation? You honestly think that matters to them?

 

[ConchitaWurst]

And? What's the liability to them? Their reputation? You honestly think that matters to them?

i thought so yes. supporting your affiliates by giving them extra exposure and allowing them to spam the forvm is one thing, but allowing them to use the forvm for possible fraudulent, false, misleading, deceptive behaviour is quite an other.

but i guess i was pretty naive.

 

[Grand Potentate]

Do Mrs Cleo's?

 

[Sartodi Napoli]

i warned the forum since my first post and they deleted my threafs while lettng my insulters and gianni rim jobbers.

 

[Thruth]

i thought so yes. supporting your affiliates by giving them extra exposure and allowing them to spam the forvm is one thing, but allowing them to use the forvm for possible fraudulent, false, misleading, deceptive behaviour is quite an other.

but i guess i was pretty naive.

I think this naivety extends to many of us in thinking that SF or any forum for that matter has a responsibility to do right by its members. My confusion stems from seeing moderation that bans or sanctions individuals when they step over the line for whatever reason. I guess it is different with respect to vendors. This is purely a business relationship between SF and Passaggio. But then again, why delete the inkjet thread? Does the business relationship extend to protecting the vendor in some circumstances?

 

[Allen Smithee]

But then again, why delete the inkjet thread? Does the business relationship extend to protecting the vendor in some circumstances?

This may belong in the-sf-aaac-trainwreck-thread but I'm puzzled by that too. The Allen Smithee account at SF was technically guilty of a violation, but why did that legit thread get axed when my other posts there generally remain?
Did i mention that there is now an inkjet thread here?
http://www.dressedwell.net/forum/threads/inkjet-fabric-printing-compendium.816/#post-45758

 

[ConchitaWurst]

But then again, why delete the inkjet thread? Does the business relationship extend to protecting the vendor in some circumstances?

i really don't understand that either. i almost start believing this to be true, which would be a very bad thing.

you guys seen that in the meantime more desktop research has been done? new facts presented. more questions to be answered? and it seems almost inevitable that even more will come. this is a pretty deep cesspool it seems.

 

[Thruth]

This may belong in the-sf-aaac-trainwreck-thread but I'm puzzled by that too. The Allen Smithee account at SF was technically guilty of a violation, but why did that legit thread get axed when my other posts there generally remain?
Did i mention that there is now an inkjet thread here?
http://www.dressedwell.net/forum/threads/inkjet-fabric-printing-compendium.816/#post-45758

I thought of the trainwreck thread but I have such a short attention span I can only focus on so much. Certainly, there were some posts in the injet thread that may have crossed the line but the thread itself should not have been deleted for any reason. What was the post or posts that got Allen Smithee banned?

 

[Thruth]

i really don't understand that either. i almost start believing this to be true, which would be a very bad thing.

you guys seen that in the meantime more desktop research has been done? new facts presented. more questions to be answered? and it seems almost inevitable that even more will come. this is a pretty deep cesspool it seems.

It does make one wonder as to the motivation of either the mods or the higher ups of SF. Seems very curious as to why they disappeared the thread and does breed thoughts of conspiracy.

Good stuff from the latest posts in the SF Passaggio thread. The Dutch Wrecking Crew is doing a good job as well they should be. This is a matter of someone being held accountable for their words and deeds. I'll have to check my Passaggio files and images that date back to 2012. I have images that have mill tags on them. Everything was stated to be vintage. I can remember wondering to myself every time I saw several ties from various sources in the same fabric about how how rare the fabric could have been. But, I am sure one can find many metres of vintage fabric. I always had a mental image of him stripping fabric from drapes and chesterfield's around Napoli in his thirst for vintage thirst!

Does the Dutch Wrecking Crew have contacts at the mill that does inkjet printing (sorry, the name slips my mind) to show them the images and ask if the printing was done by them?

 

[ConchitaWurst]

The mill is Canepa. the contact there has once again confirmed to another member that the majority of what they do is inkjet. That Gianni is a regular client at the outlet. And that he buys inkjet printed fabrics there. When the other member asked whether our contact would be willing to go through the wetransfer file and identify the Capepa fabrics he was hesitant. He didn't want his firm to get caught up in this any further. There is someone that may go to the region sometime soon and he may have a look around at Canepa and report back. But maybe in the meantime Gianni decides to change strategy and address the issue heads on and tell the forum what has actually happened. It is really a shame he let it come this far instead of addressing the questions when they were raised. Instead it seems complaints were made with SF management and it seems that they have tried to cover it all up by axing the inque-jette thread.

Just to add one more thing. After making my post in the Affiliate Thread about possible inkjet printed silks being used I actually decided not to post in there anymore. I didn't post in Gianni's thread anymore for about 10 days or so. It was only when the inque-jette thread got axed, without any explanation or response to my question about that decision, and the Affiliate Thread was again being swamped with pictures of ties and fabrics and posts by members who were just simply applauding Gianni for his chosen strategy and discrediting other critical members that I felt the need to post again in the Affiliate Thread. I repeat that I wish Gianni would have decided to address the issues in another way and all this would not have been necessary.

 

[Allen Smithee]

What was the post or posts that got Allen Smithee banned?

Just to clear this aspect up, the SF Allen Smithee account, like the one here, had log-in info shared with several members. The mods looked and found that it had been accessed by someone with another account, so it looked like one user had two accounts, which is a violation.
The purpose of the account was to lay low and get a link to this site in the signature file, so care was taken not to attract attention or break rules. The reason for the thread deletion is a mystery, as all other posts of mine presumably remain.

 

[doghouse]

So I just got to read this cause I never pay any attention to the idiots at SF, but Holy Shit. What a trainwreck.

Somehow I got caught as collateral damage in this, and I can't post or PM on SF anymore. I never even said a peep about this or knew it was going on. If someone who is active at SF can PM a mod and ask them why I'm banned I would appreciate it.

 

[Thruth]

ConchitaWurst & Allen Smithee , thanks for the replies.

There seems to be a minor bit of backlash from some on SF along the lines of "as long as the ties are pretty who cares how they were described by Gianni". I also find it interesting that some are mocking the the evidence that has been presented as if the Keystone Kops have become involved. I think they key here is and always has been - as Conchita has stated - that had Gianni chosen to respond to the allegations we would not have arrived at where we are now.

I too did not put much stock in the original complaints but C&A's posts were detailed enough to have anyone stop and take notice.

It is beyond me how some on SF don't seem to give a shit about things like what Gianni says or more importantly how SF feels no responsibility to do right by its members. I must be getting old and come to think of it, older than Gianni's purportedly vintage thirsts.

 

[Grand Potentate]

Just a friendly reminder that if you guys want a record of the posts over at SF you better copy them, or have your counterparts post them here or at FNB, lest they be deleted all of a sudden for some stupid fucking reason. Not like it hasn't happened already.

 

[doghouse]

Indubitably.

 

[Sartodi Napoli]

So I just got to read this cause I never pay any attention to the idiots at SF, but Holy Shit. What a trainwreck.

Somehow I got caught as collateral damage in this, and I can't post o r PM on SF anymore. I never even said a peep about this or knew it was going on. If someone who is active at SF can PM a mod and ask them why I'm banned I would appreciate it.

Tell me your nick on St and i will ask. but i can't enter on Gianni bullshit but n

 

[Allen Smithee]

I get mixed up- is Gianni claiming to make the stuff himself or in his own shop?
It is ridiculous that doghouse's account got crippled too. Presumably, that's an older more established account. Mine is like two weeks old and given his sailing avatar his IP is probably hundreds or thousands of miles from mine. I suspect it's more about dissent and scorching anyone that might scare away a paying affiliate.

 

[doghouse]

Tell me your nick on St and i will ask.

gegarrenton

 

[Thruth]

Styleforum is down? Can't access via desktop, mobile

 

[Sartodi Napoli]

gegarrenton

I failed to multiquote.
Yes, another of Gianni ties is that he does them while he doesn't knows to sew a button and are made on a factory of mediocre quality.

 

[Robert]

I tried to access the thread on SF, got through to the "Classic Menswear", clicked on the Passaggio Cravatti link only to get a message that there is a problem on site and tech support are chasing it up. I cannot access any part of SF. Have I been nobbled?

 

[Robert]

....and I was looking forward to an evening of outrage at the high jinks of Inky Jet, the Eye-tie boy wonder!

 

[ConchitaWurst]

The other forvm is back up again.

The ties are made by a workshop in napoli by the name of cassandra. They also make bespoke ties for very reputable neapolitan shops like rubinacci. Cappelli uses this workshop if he has an overflow and his own workshop can't handle the workload. They then make the ties to the same specifications as a tie that would have been made in his own workshop.

 

[Sartodi Napoli]

Factory is in San Giorgio outside Naples.

See a Garza Ink jetted done in Kiton so can?t be vintage, as I said on Styleforum and those tacky insulters called me troll while getting rim jobs by Gia-ano.

The Thruth is out there.

 

[Grand Potentate]

There is some serious Stockholm syndrome style bullshit goin on in that thread now that people are turning on the posters who were calling out Captain Thirsty.

 

[doghouse]

So they support being lied to?

 

[Sartodi Napoli]

Tis some serious Stockholm syndrome style bullshit goin on in that thread now that people are turning on the posters who were calling out Captain Thirsty.

Yes Rambo, we chose living day by day, day by day Colonel Truman, while others got rim jobs by Captain Gi-ano.

 

[Thruth]

So they support being lied to?

Yes and no. Truth in advertising is a nebulous thing. If Drake's lies and says hand rolled but it actually is machine made, they are forgiven because they are Drake's. Oh, and that they are owned by the Armoury who are SF darlings and alums. Kind of like 7 degrees of style forum.

Gianni is ok because if others lie he can too. Plus he is more loveable because people feel sorry for him when bad members make fun of his poor English. So, the moral of the story is that you can lie, sell stolen merchandise and not know the difference between English and Italian silks as long as you write in poor English and often in all caps.

I am sorry your honour, I thought that girl had more years on her shoulders! Cue the laugh track and he skips out of the courtroom as the judge shakes his head laughing. Fade to black

 

[Thruth]

Some new posts on SF swinging things back to calling out our friend for everything that has been previously posted both there and here.

Is Flyingmonkey someone on here?

 

[Grand Potentate]

Lol at that gif.

Flying monkey is not on here to the best of my knowledge.

 

[ConchitaWurst]

This was just posted in Gianni's thread at the other forum

I think that everyone he has had a chance to voice their opinion.
I am going to call the discussion closed. If Gianni wishes to give an explanation, which I would encourage, that would be great. But there is no more to be gained from further discussion until then. All I see here are members taking sides, and getting personal, which is never good for the forum. So my word here will be the last one.
There are a lot of other things to talk about, so let's do that.
Cheers,
Fok.

 

[Grand Potentate]

This was just posted in Gianni's thread at the other forum

I think that everyone he has had a chance to voice their opinion.
I am going to call the discussion closed. If Gianni wishes to give an explanation, which I would encourage, that would be great. But there is no more to be gained from further discussion until then. All I see here are members taking sides, and getting personal, which is never good for the forum. So my word here will be the last one.
There are a lot of other things to talk about, so let's do that.
Cheers,
Fok.

I tried to tell you.

If you can't read through that "if he wants to give an explanation, which I would encourage, that would be great" and see what he's really saying, then I've got some land in the Everglades that you might be interested in buying...

 

[ConchitaWurst]

One more post was added summing it all up

Incidentally, I'be been on the forum from the start, and this stuff happens every so often. No satisfactory conclusion is ever to be had. In the end, Gianni is responsible to his customers. Those satisfied with his integrity and products will continue to give him business. Those who are not, will take their patronage elsewhere. That will be the extent of it.