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The fact that you were saving the British thing for later in the thread made me infer that you thought I was British.
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The fact that you were saving the British thing for later in the thread made me infer that you thought I was British.
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Differences in states are less than countries? I'm astonished.
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From what I can see, there are very, very deep divisions within America. I imagine most would be reluctant to admit it publicly, but most are nonetheless very aware of it.
Certainly the idea that America is a homogeneous society is very wide of the mark in my opinion.
Certainly the idea that America is a homogeneous society is very wide of the mark in my opinion.
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Why?
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Differences I'm states are less than countries? I'm astonished.
Again, the way you posted made me infer that you thought the culture in the US wasn't more homogenous than in Europe. Maybe I should stop inferring things from your posts.
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Why were you saving it for later?
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Homogenous society does not equal homogenous culture.
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Probably. You don't seem all that good at it.
I must have missed when Europe became a country.
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And you might want to stop inferring too, as I never implied Europe was a country.
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I didn't infer. To compare the USA requires another country. To compare it to Europe is a false equivalency.
The EU would do well to learn from the US though on managing disparate entities, as you get ready to step on your collective dicks and let the cradle of Hellenic civilization crash and burn.
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I think culture is very largely society. Not necessarily, but far better when it is.
America is fast approaching the point where the cultural and racial dominance is going to shift decisively. This is going to present a tremendous challenge.
The economic situation is also going to place enormous strain on relations within the country, because the money will dry up, and they have created a huge culture of blame, excuse-making, inefficiency and dependency. The main difference between America and Venezuela, for example, is that the currency the US government counterfeits is the world's reserve currency. When this changes it could well be a catastrophe for them , and the fault lines within the country could be blown wide open.
This will likely be very bad for the rest of the world of well, of course.
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Oh, oh, oh. It is just shocking how much mileage I'm getting out of this (twice this was relevant on SF)!
Before I started this specific research, I was focused on national cultures (Hofstede, GLOBE, WVS, etc). And until recently, I would have agreed. But actually, research into subnational culture (current, but not long term, interest) consistently shows (at least in Europe, Canada, and the US) that differences between subnational (regional) cultures are equally large and sometimes larger.
My point is centered an attitude that is endemic to a specific gender of a specific ethnicity of a specific class. Not America as a whole.
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I was comparing on how traveling is more special for Americans than for Europeans, as we have lots of countries with different cultures a couple of hours drive from our doorstep. I'd say it's a valid comparison when looking at the entitled traveller syndrome, which I haven't encountered much in all the European countries I've lived in or when traveling.
The US is managing its states better, but again, that's easier due to the homogenous culture. You all identify yourselves as Americans, while no European identifies themselves as European. The rich US states pay for the poor US states, but the rich European countries do not want to pay for the poor European countries. Then there are loads of cultural and political differences, which makes negotiations though. Hell, even within certain countries, it can take over a year to form a government after elections, due to the political system.
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I have not read that research, but it's been a while since I've read any non-financial research. Interesting stuff! That makes my hypothesis invalid. Why do you think this specific gender/ethnicity/class/nationality behaves this way?
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I sure feel more special when I travel. I only got to 9 countries and 5 continents last year, which was a reduction from normal, so my sample size is small, which makes it all very new and meaningful. I also feel Mexican. Or maybe Chinese. Since I'm so American and all and we are very homogeneous
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Well done good sir.
I'm feeling lazy today after Friday's fiasco at work so the low hanging fruit that are monkeyface's declarative statements were too appealing to pass up.
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Give it a few decades, you will be Mexican. If you don't want to be Mexican, you'll have to move somewhere.
Mexico will be handy, and it should be pretty much empty by then.
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Because they stupid. That was the feeling behind this thread.
Giving it serious thought...I don't know. But the movie/book Eat, Pray, Love tapped into that sentiment, so it's existed for a while. But I guess my generation acts on this more? Cheapness (relative) of travel and richer "look at my experience with the Other" opportunities via social media.
An ex-GF (also a RWG) now has twins named Asher and Michigan. She didn't travel SEA.
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So there are no rich white girls in European countries that go on vapid life affirming journeys because travel is so regular and the cultural and ethnic heterogeneity means people can stay home instead of going to Mongolia?
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Precisely.
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Why Michigan? I assume not all of it is a post-apocalyptic shithole like its most famous city, but it still seems like an odd choice.
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God that movie was awful. Asher makes me think of ashtray, and Michigan makes me think of Detroit.
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Nah, we just call it a gap year and everybody knows it's mainly for fun and partying, even if you pretend otherwise.
Some people go full hippie on that year though, dreads, drugs, not showering, wearing the same fisherman pants, ratty tanktop and round shades 24/7. But even they know they do it for fun, although their concept of fun is a little different.
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yes rich bitches should become humble tailoring apprentices and make buttholes for poverty wages dear
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You shouldn't be so mean to german backpackers who come to australia!
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There are loads, especially in Byron Bay, but seeing as Australia is quite expensive, most of them are in SEA. That's where they end up when they've ran out of money. In $10/night one bed beach bungalows that they share with 5 people.
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The travel obsession is just cool hunting.
Much has been stated already, so some of this is just a nod-a-thon. Saying you've spent extensive amounts of time in exotic locations gives people the impression you're much more well rounded than you are. And much less bored with yourself than you were at home. And it also establishes, in your social circles, that you can. It's like wealthy people that do charitable stuff, more often than not they could give a fuck, but it raises social standing among the other elites.
Lest me be the first to notice, but people go to great lengths to prop up a false sense of importance.
It's cute to plan a big trip and have your adoring parents front the coin to pay for it. To their friends, you're an enriched family. The Kellerman's sent their sweet Rachel to India for a year and she wears these edgy Indian clothes at their dinner parties now. And look, she brought back that wood carving. So guess what, the next family feels compelled to allow the same thing... it's like the 8 year olds with cell phones now, a few years ago it was 14 year olds.
Seems Australians are the most prolific at this life affirming journey crap, they take extensive periods of their youth and bumble around working a bit in one place to get to the next. Pretty soon, a number of productive years go by feeling "fulfilled" and having nothing to show for it save for some photos and stories.
This squeege of your parents stuff is the same reason family generational business fail so often. 2nd generation business fail at 60%... 3rd? 90%. It's the 3nd gennies that usually take these trips.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good vacation as much as anyone, but I definitely don't do it to look for meaning.
Much has been stated already, so some of this is just a nod-a-thon. Saying you've spent extensive amounts of time in exotic locations gives people the impression you're much more well rounded than you are. And much less bored with yourself than you were at home. And it also establishes, in your social circles, that you can. It's like wealthy people that do charitable stuff, more often than not they could give a fuck, but it raises social standing among the other elites.
Lest me be the first to notice, but people go to great lengths to prop up a false sense of importance.
It's cute to plan a big trip and have your adoring parents front the coin to pay for it. To their friends, you're an enriched family. The Kellerman's sent their sweet Rachel to India for a year and she wears these edgy Indian clothes at their dinner parties now. And look, she brought back that wood carving. So guess what, the next family feels compelled to allow the same thing... it's like the 8 year olds with cell phones now, a few years ago it was 14 year olds.
Seems Australians are the most prolific at this life affirming journey crap, they take extensive periods of their youth and bumble around working a bit in one place to get to the next. Pretty soon, a number of productive years go by feeling "fulfilled" and having nothing to show for it save for some photos and stories.
This squeege of your parents stuff is the same reason family generational business fail so often. 2nd generation business fail at 60%... 3rd? 90%. It's the 3nd gennies that usually take these trips.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good vacation as much as anyone, but I definitely don't do it to look for meaning.
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I thought this was just people wanting to be seen as what they are not. If you're a vapid, lavish, godless whitebread, you really want to be the opposite of all those things: deep, impoverished, spiritual exotic. Of course they can only approach it from the life and mindset that they have, so you get this odd mix.
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What are you reading that says differently?
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Most Australians pay for their own trips. Its an old habit.
Seeing we are so far from anywhere - we always figured if it takes 24 hours to get there then we might as a well go for a year. Plus we feel worried we might not be up with it all - so we travel to check out what its really like in USA, UK, EU, South America etc.
Asia is just in our backyard - its only 9 hours away! Thats easy. A year back my mate got return airfares to Japan for $440 aud on special. So he and his wife took a week off. Yearly holidays in Vietnam or Thailand etc are common for very non wealthy non white people.
Keep in mind we all get 4 weeks recreation leave or vacation as those Americans call it. Plus a almost week at Easter and in many industries a forced week off at xmas.
Seeing we are so far from anywhere - we always figured if it takes 24 hours to get there then we might as a well go for a year. Plus we feel worried we might not be up with it all - so we travel to check out what its really like in USA, UK, EU, South America etc.
Asia is just in our backyard - its only 9 hours away! Thats easy. A year back my mate got return airfares to Japan for $440 aud on special. So he and his wife took a week off. Yearly holidays in Vietnam or Thailand etc are common for very non wealthy non white people.
Keep in mind we all get 4 weeks recreation leave or vacation as those Americans call it. Plus a almost week at Easter and in many industries a forced week off at xmas.
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Well, of course.
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Well, also subtext that how they portray themselves reveals what they value. I cannot relate to this value system as my appreciation for modern day third world squalor is zero. I don't need false substitutes for religion either.
Oh yeah, this is also the result of every woman doing yoga. It's not just exercise or relaxation. It's eastern mysticism. Do it for awhile and soon you find yourself in foreign nations worshiping their gods.
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Or perhaps you can be like Mormons and push your kids out the door to convert ignorant people around the world into your silly religion?
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Those buggers are honest about what they are doing, which is glamorless work, as opposed to this vacation disguised as spiritual discovery.
If any of these kooky spoiled broads comes back and starts a prison ministry or is seen actually helping the poor, I'll be somewhat impressed.
If any of these kooky spoiled broads comes back and starts a prison ministry or is seen actually helping the poor, I'll be somewhat impressed.
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I see, so vapid rich white girls who start a prison ministry are kooky and spoiled, but "believers" converting gullible natives in far away lands to their white savior religion is glamorous?
Help me understand.
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A couple of those shit tie wearing clowns came to my door once, they never came back. I hope they put me on the black list.
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Their false gods.
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Person of colour list.
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Sorry. #identity-neutral list.