What Is An Igent (2014 Update)?

Russell Street said:
He is very much the quintessential igent.
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He is although he is low on the dandy scale. I suppose dandy with respect to details but he certainly does not have an ounce of peacock in his outward appearance. Well except for green Hermes leather. But his wardrobe is rather somniferous, no?
 
thruth said:
He is although he is low on the dandy scale.
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well, dandy is not only about appearance. foo is a big headed dwarf, check. his mindset is stubborn and uneducated, check. his clothes are mediocre but expensive, check.
 
walker said:
well, dandy is not only about appearance. foo is a big headed dwarf, check. his mindset is stubborn and uneducated, check. his clothes are mediocre but expensive, check.
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That is what I was getting at. There seems to be dandy/IGent attitude and purchasing behaviour but no sense of flash or dash. See here:

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Mafoofan lacks the bright coloration and flamboyance of the later evolutions of the igent. He was like an embryonic prototype.
Or there are just different strains, and one is drab and unspectacular appearing? Peahens of the peafowl?
 
Russell Street said:
Mafoofan lacks the bright coloration and flamboyance of the later evolutions of the igent. He was like an embryonic prototype.
Or there are just different strains, and one is drab and unspectacular appearing? Peahens of the peafowl?
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whom are you talking about?
 
Russell Street said:
Mafoofan lacks the bright coloration and flamboyance of the later evolutions of the igent. He was like an embryonic prototype.
Or there are just different strains, and one is drab and unspectacular appearing? Peahens of the peafowl?
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A partridge maybe. Benign colour action but struts no less.

How big are his feet? I know the gunboats throw things out of proportion but his feet seem as out of whack as his head does
 
On a purely visual scale, one could have an evolution chart starting with Foo/Manton evolving to Chorn, then Luca and the pinaccle being the Pitti crowd complete with Gianni Cerutti.
 
well, the question remains. did foo chose manton for the proximity or due he thought he could tell him about dressing well?
 
Russell Street said:
how's this?
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Fail. My custom title clearly indicates I am an iGent, yet according to this, I am a dandy or perhaps even a mere clothing obsessor :(

(in seriousness though, very nice)

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Guy on the left looks like Carlton and dresses like 38R over on SF. Guy on the far right looks like his nickname in college was Lurch. Second from right just looks terrible--he won, right? Guy on our left of Foo can wear a suit. Great. Foo gets my vote. But then, I generally like how Foo dresses (though there are exceptions, of course). Shame about his attitude.
 
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If you've ever used the term "igent", or even know what it means, chances are big you are one. Spending any time defining it's characteristics, so you can mentally separate yourself from the term, is as igent as it gets. It's not that different from hipster-ism.

I've met a bunch of hipsters in my life. You know what their most common trait is? None of them like hipsters.

Just like Autism there is probably a spectrum on which you could define the level of igentry-ism one suffers from, where Foo is the extreme. I've got a pretty bad case (posting "fit pics" on SF and having a tumblr). On the other hand, I'm not blowing strangers in truck stops for bespoke money just yet (or worse - work as an "i-banker"), so it can't be all that bad.

You talk about the same stuff? You know (of) everyone involved? You've been registered to 1 or more forums on the topic "classic menswear"? You've posted on these forums? You actually have opinions about classic menswear that you voice? You speak the lingo?

Yeah, you're most likely (at least a high functioning) igent. But for peace's sake, let's call it an "online menswear aficionado". :troll:
 
Which end of the spectrum is a small group of people who create a men's clothing forum because they reject men's clothing forums but then spend their time gossiping about the forum that spawned them? Mild Asperbergers or mid range OCD or Adolescent Oppositional Syndrome?
 
Jimmy Frost Mellor said:
Which end of the spectrum is a small group of people who create a men's clothing forum because they reject men's clothing forums but then spend their time gossiping about the forum that spawned them? Mild Asperbergers or mid range OCD or Adolescent Oppositional Syndrome?
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Oppositional Defiant Disorder

EFV, you forgot that you also are launching a clothesline (I registered, by the way). And you used an old bearded dude as a model. A very iGent choice.

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So a classification of iGentism requires both magnitude and direction. Different types/combinations. And how far they take it. Which makes it difficult to compare one iGent to another in terms of who is more "iGent." Difficult, or entertaining.

So.

Vintage Foo or Ammanati?
 
I'm not super up-to-date, but Ammanati is the guy who did a less than objective write-up for Passagio Cravatte? I didn't hear of that whole PC mess until very recently, which is weird since it's everywhere over the interwebz.

I actually saw Gianni and snapped a picture of him in Florence. Come to think of it, he actually cut off the conversation when I mentioned recognising him from SF. My thoughts were a mix of "rude guy", and then the more forgiving side of me, that went "it's probably cultural differences". Now, I guess it was the mentioning of SF and all the controversy he's had there that made him turn off the charm so fast.

Foo or Ammanati? Foo is the OI (original igent), hard to compete with that.
 
All well made points. I would submit that I suffer from said afflictions. Otherwise why would I care to involve myself to the level that I do?

I like the term aficionado, enthusiast or any other term that defines one's interest - or obsession depending upon whose lens one is looking through - in sartorial things.

If iGent is a descriptor of all of us so be it. Especially if it truly does define our peculiarities in this realm of interest.

That said, an enthusiast, aficionado or iGent tag suggests someone with more than a passing interest in clothing who strives to learn more about that which they fixate upon.

People only know what they know and if they do not take the time to glean more than surface knowledge that is their problem. But it gives me the right to point out ignorance, inanity or misconceptions.

The problem with SF is that most of the learning and teaching is in the past. The number of threads that deal with substantive matters continue to dwindle replaced by pageantry and displays of what one has purchased.

I have been guilty of this in the past to a degree. But I don't post fits simply because I don't care to take the time to do it. I'm not interested to post things that I might have simply to show that I have added to my closet. If, on the other hand, a picture of something I own is worth the 10,000 words in the context of the discussion, I may indeed post it. It is often easier to post an image from the interwebz as they are more readily at hand as I do not have a lot of pics of shit that I own.

So, by definition I am an iGent and I won't try and deny it. I do reserve the right to co-opt the word and use it in derogatory fashion when I choose to snark at shallowness, ignorance, stupidity or vapid consumerism.

Hopefully, sandwiched between the snark is some objective fact that allows for a discussion and an opportunity to comment rather than just oohing and ahhing and the exchange of virtual fist bumping in lieu of sartorial intercourse.

My name is Thruth. I am an iGent. This forum gives me a place to vent which cuts down on the cost of my Meds and spares those I interact with IRL from my affliction.
 
EFV said:
The answer to that question will determine your place on the spectrum.
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I think I'm more of an aficionado of online menswear.
EFV said:
I actually saw Gianni and snapped a picture of him in Florence. Come to think of it, he actually cut off the conversation when I mentioned recognising him from SF. My thoughts were a mix of "rude guy", and then the more forgiving side of me, that went "it's probably cultural differences". Now, I guess it was the mentioning of SF and all the controversy he's had there that made him turn off the charm so fast.
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Hearing of him being hounded, even inadvertently, so warms my heart.
 
thruth said:
The problem with SF is that most of the learning and teaching is in the past. The number of threads that deal with substantive matters continue to dwindle replaced by pageantry and displays of what one has purchased.
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I think this is a more insufferable aspect of "igentism" than us all fussing over how the texture in Chorn's coat goes with his shirt. It's not even a dialog, just show and (barely) tell. Then everyone is required to say "nice shoes" or whatever. Circle jerk.
 
But you do darken the door of a real world tailor to have things made rather than solely surfing and e-acquiring. So aren't you also the aficionado who is online?
 
Russell Street said:
I think this is a more insufferable aspect of "igentism" than us all fussing over how the texture in Chorn's coat goes with his shirt. It's not even a dialog, just show and (barely) tell. Then everyone is required to say "nice shoes" or whatever. Circle jerk.
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This is the kernel that sticks in my teeth that I am obsessed with removing because it is purely an irritant
 
The balance of my time is largely biased toward online chattiness instead of acquisitive disorders. But then I'm of the staid wardrobe school that has reached a point where little is required beyond replacement. I'm not the new zealot that jsut started wearing adult/stylish clothing and is wrapped up in a shopping spree.
 
Chorn said:
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So a classification of iGentism requires both magnitude and direction. Different types/combinations. And how far they take it. Which makes it difficult to compare one iGent to another in terms of who is more "iGent." Difficult, or entertaining.

So.

Vintage Foo or Ammanati?
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Dogmatic, tedious Foo(l) vs. Wannabe, shilling tool?

Little to be learned directly from both but they are at different stages of development. There was a time when Foo was tolerable but really only channeled his mentor.

Ammanati offers what other than surface stories?
 
walker said:
I must have missed that. can you give/link to an example?
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I'll dig one out! Actually I was reading some old posts on AAAC and came across a thread where Foo actually asked a question not knowing the answer.
 
thruth said:
I'll dig one out! Actually I was reading some old posts on AAAC and came across a thread where Foo actually asked a question not knowing the answer.
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thats default. back in the days was a wedding thread by a noob. he told the people that his budget is limited and foo said: I'm in the same boat. at the same time, he bought an IWC for 10k. definitely the same boat.
 
SF is, perhaps it should read was, dominated by boymen who have access to excess. Its all finance supplied by parents. These indulged unweaned but seamingly aged adolescents generally have trained well in sophistry if articulate at all. Using aphorisms, greeting card philosophical depth and inevitable tea party lunar right politics they spout plagiarised knowledge to the great unwashed wannabes who can only afford bedsits and canned food.
 
I've never gotten the impression that it was a bunch of 20 and 30 something trust fund babies. The few legitimate high rollers I know there , I know they work their asses off. I suspect the majority of CM is comprised of late 20s to early 40s professionals. The late 20s not having had kids yet. The early 40s having advanced far enough in their careers to be able to afford both children and their hobbies.
 
I have no idea what most of the posters actually do for a living, besides those who are open about it. I do know that the guys I've met or PM:ed with are really decent people in their 30's-50's with a, perhaps unhealthy, interest in classic menswear. As for politics, they aren't really discussed that much, so I have no idea where people stand.
 
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