A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

Rain Man said:
If there was, in fact, incidental collection on the Trump campaign under a FISA warrant -- and multiple collections, hence, "calls" -- then Trump has far bigger problems than whether or not "Obama wiretapped me."

You lawyer types know this, but for the rest of you: FISA warrants are issued when there's evidence to suspect a person inside the U.S. of espionage. FISA warrants are not handed out lightly. We do it a lot, but there is a lot of spying going on. Like, a lot, a lot. And if you're a politician, you do not want your phone to be one of the ones that anyone being monitored under a FISA warrant is calling. Especially repeatedly. Holy shit, just no.

Again, that word, "calls." As in, multiple. Damn.

Technically, Trump's campaign may not have been "tapped" -- which would explain the DNI's statement that there was never an order for a FISA warrant covering Agent Orange; that could be technically true -- but if people whose phones were being tapped on suspicion of espionage were calling Trump's campaign headquarters, well, then, "Lu-u-u-u-cy, you got some 'splainin' to do."

If this is factual, then this is gonna be really cool. We could be seeing arrests inside the White House for espionage charges, and possibly shortly. That will be some quality TV.

Man, we live in heady times.
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I know right???
 
Lord Buckley said:
Sadiq is also the mayor who said not to worry (Islamic) terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city.
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To be fair he comes from a country where 71% of the marriages are between first degree cousins.
French and German officials have said something similar, though.

Can somebody explain to me why the IC targeted the Trump campaign over ties with "Russia", while the Hillary campaign got a suspicious amount of money from China and there were no worries about influencing the outcome of the election or espionage (especially given the background of her unsecured, private servers)?
 
Scherensammler said:
Can somebody explain to me why the IC targeted the Trump campaign over ties with "Russia", while the Hillary campaign got a suspicious amount of money from China and there were no worries about influencing the outcome of the election or espionage (especially given the background of her unsecured, private servers)?
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Because China wasn't actively colluding with the Clinton campaign and international criminal syndicates to throw the election.

And take Russia the fuck out of quotes at this point. We're way, way past that.
 
Rain Man said:
Because China wasn't actively colluding with the Clinton campaign and international criminal syndicates to throw the election.

And take Russia the fuck out of quotes at this point. We're way, way past that.
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Wait a second, now we've got mobsters in on this?
 
Rambo said:
Wait a second, now we've got mobsters in on this?
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We always have. What else do you call a Russian government official?

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Seriously, though. The "civilian" hackers that FSB and GRU have been using so that they can retain top cover and plausible deniability absolutely qualify as international criminal syndicates at this point.
 
Meanwhile, back in London PC Plod is looking for the Russian handlers of the terrorist...

Mensch is in a full on Twitter frenzy: evidence of treason most foul at Breitbart, InfoWars and one IC source confirmed "Russian bots and internet trolls sought to propogate undergound. Those stories got amplified at fringe elements of our media like Breitbart." And CNN has made bold statements that Trump's associates coordinated with the Russians to coordinate negative information on Hillary during the campaign. They gave the thumbs up to Russian based hackers to release information pertaining to crooked Clinton. Whether it was factual or not, is not discussed by CNN.

Where will it all end and after all these months of silent coup with not a shred of evidence: Putin hacked my goldfish and Trump ate my hamster? Let us not assassinate this lad futher....have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

The desperate death rattle of the Democrats and Left continues.....
 
Lord Buckley said:
Meanwhile, back in London PC Plod is looking for the Russian handlers of the terrorist...

Mensch is in a full on Twitter frenzy: evidence of treason most foul at Breitbart, InfoWars and one IC source confirmed "Russian bots and internet trolls sought to propogate undergound. Those stories got amplified at fringe elements of our media like Breitbart." And CNN has made bold statements that Trump's associates coordinated with the Russians to coordinate negative information on Hillary during the campaign. They gave the thumbs up to Russian based hackers to release information pertaining to crooked Clinton. Whether it was factual or not, is not discussed by CNN.

Where will it all end and after all these months of silent coup with not a shred of evidence: Putin hacked my goldfish and Trump ate my hamster? Let us not assassinate this lad futher....have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

The desperate death rattle of the Democrats and Left continues.....
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There is evidence though. Flynn had to quit, Sessions had to recuse, Manafort had to resign because he worked for Putin and received large amounts of money (and is wanted in Ukraine), and Trump's campaign has had repeated contacts with people under surveillance for being foreign spies. One of these facts on its own might be cictumstantial, but how can you say that all of this combined isn't suspicious? It's too much to be a coincidence. Hell, Flynn even admitted that he was the fall guy on twitter, meaning it's not an isolated incident at all. Trump was in charge of the campgain, the CEO so to say, and the CEO is responsible for his employees' misconduct, even if he isn't directly involved.

If some emails are a good enough reason to lock someone up, then treason should warrant a lifetime in a supermax prison.
 
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First of all: I'm absolutely certain that "Russian" spies aren't that stupid to conduct their covert op missions in a way to leave such an obvious trace. Unless they had plans for it to be found.
Second: Chinese "businessmen" are very well connected (in some cases physically related as in family) to the government. You don't run a successful business without the blessing of the government.
Of course, the same is true for Russia. But why the constant focus on Russia (or now the Russian mob), when China would be pretty much a similar suspect.
Is there a chance that the highly respected within the IC guy was handed the papers about Russian interference to make the IC minions believe it's true, simply based on his reputation?
And why not come out with this during the campaign period and wait until after the election instead. Were the powers behind the Clinton campaign so convinced to win this election hands down that they had to wait until after the inauguration?
 
InstaHate said:
Treason against what tho? A globalist new world order?! At least Trump and Putin aren't Rothschild stooges.
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Well, Trump, and more so his father and grandfather, had strong ties with Jewish layers, bankers and politicians, but I guess these were not the globalist kind.
Putin took over from a Rothschild stooge, the German born Jew Boris Jelzman (you know him as Yeltsin, because they made him change his name).
http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=17168.0
 
doghouse said:
This is a Freedom Caucus member

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So what do the Rs actually want when it comes to healthcare insurance, in their ideal world? Just cut government influence completely and tie it fully to employment, making everyone slaves of their employers lest they get sick?

Also, why do they want to reinvent the wheel? About 50 countries have healthcare systems that work decently well. Why not just pick the best one and use it as a model? You guys have car insurance that is similar to what the rest of the world uses, why not healthcare?
 
Journeyman said:
I'm going to assume you're joking, because there's really no way that you could possibly be serious.
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You are talking to a person that legit thinks the Illuminati exists.

Monkeyface said:
So what do the Rs actually want when it comes to healthcare insurance, in their ideal world? Just cut government influence completely and tie it fully to employment, making everyone slaves of their employers lest they get sick?

Also, why do they want to reinvent the wheel? About 50 countries have healthcare systems that work decently well. Why not just pick the best one and use it as a model? You guys have car insurance that is similar to what the rest of the world uses, why not healthcare?
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At this point, I honestly don't even know. I know they want huge tax breaks for the .01%, but as far as actual health care, I'm baffled.
 
doghouse said:
You are talking to a person that legit thinks the Illuminati exists.



At this point, I honestly don't even know. I know they want huge tax breaks for the .01%, but as far as actual health care, I'm baffled.
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I've been trying to find out. It looks like the freedom caucus wants to cut all regulation, even pre-existing conditions. So sick people will be indentured servants for the rest of their lives. Moderate R's want to basically keep obamacare but somehow magically lower premiums for everybody without govt subsidies, and then there's a whole bunch of people somewhere in between there.

Trump is horse trading with all of them, but making concessions to the "freedom" (freedom for who? Billionaires) caucus means he loses moderate votes and vice versa. I also read a story on politico how one of them was persuaded to give Trump his vote because he got to sit on Mike Pence's chair in the Oval Office for a while. How sad is that?
 
Monkeyface said:
I also read a story on politico how one of them was persuaded to give Trump his vote because he got to sit on Mike Pence's chair in the Oval Office for a while. How sad is that?
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Peter King said Trump pointed him out and said they grew up near each other. After that, "it would be hard for me to vote 'no.'

This is what we are dealing with here.
 
Monkeyface said:
So what do the Rs actually want when it comes to healthcare insurance, in their ideal world? Just cut government influence completely and tie it fully to employment, making everyone slaves of their employers lest they get sick?

Also, why do they want to reinvent the wheel? About 50 countries have healthcare systems that work decently well. Why not just pick the best one and use it as a model? You guys have car insurance that is similar to what the rest of the world uses, why not healthcare?
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There might be a historical reason for this, for a long time America had the best medical treatment in the world. No question about that, ours was mere first aid in comparison. It may still be the same, or we may have caught up. So America was well ahead of the game and paid a premium for this, including for drugs.
 
Lord Buckley said:
There might be a historical reason for this, for a long time America had the best medical treatment in the world. No question about that, ours was mere first aid in comparison. It may still be the same, or we may have caught up. So America was well ahead of the game and paid a premium for this, including for drugs.
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The best healthcare on the top end, not for the median. If you're rich you can get the best care in the US, if you're average the insurance company will decide which care you get, which most likely won't be the best in the world.
 
Lord Buckley said:
There might be a historical reason for this, for a long time America had the best medical treatment in the world. No question about that, ours was mere first aid in comparison. It may still be the same, or we may have caught up. So America was well ahead of the game and paid a premium for this, including for drugs.
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I was going to explain, but Monkeyface Monkeyface already did. America's advanced care is top shelf, the regular stuff is appallingly inefficient and ineffective.

Rain Man said:
FTFY.
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Hey, they liked that better than his chair probably.

Monkeyface said:
And why do you elect those types of people?
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I didn't.
 
Lord Buckley said:
There might be a historical reason for this, for a long time America had the best medical treatment in the world. No question about that, ours was mere first aid in comparison. It may still be the same, or we may have caught up. So America was well ahead of the game and paid a premium for this, including for drugs.
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much like with legal advice in this country, if you can afford the best then no door is closed to you. if not then its a 70/30 crap shoot as to whether you'll get a schmuck or someone decent. if you can afford nothing then you're completely screwed. doctors, much like lawyers, have become flooded with incompetent jackoffs who are solely in it for the money. unlike lawyers though, they seem to still be getting jobs.
 
doghouse said:
Let's not get carried away here
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No, let's!!!!! Trump is going shake things up and drain the swamp until all the #deepstate drones and their globalist, #pizzagate puppeteers are forced into the light where they can be summarily shot by God fearing Islam hating American patriot warriors.
 
InstaHate said:
No, let's!!!!! Trump is going shake things up and drain the swamp until all the #deepstate drones and their globalist, #pizzagate puppeteers are forced into the light where they can be summarily shot by God fearing Islam hating American patriot warriors.
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Rain Man said:
We always have. What else do you call a Russian government official?

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Seriously, though. The "civilian" hackers that FSB and GRU have been using so that they can retain top cover and plausible deniability absolutely qualify as international criminal syndicates at this point.
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Lol come on FSB is like the FBI and the GRU is something like ISA on crack. The only ones that, to my knowledhe, could have done something like that is the Special Communications Service. I dont see how the FSB or GRU can operate far from their role to such levels. If anything the SVR would be more specialized to work on foreign countries.

And yes, Russia likes using bratva for anything to avoid any possible connections to them, it has in the past and will keep doing it in the foreseeable future.
 
You clearly are not familiar with the GRU's work.



Meanwhile, lol.

 
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