A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

There is a massive difference between immigration in the past and now. In the past you were forced to integrate into a society. Today you can basically live in your old country by proxy thru technology. The net effect is a splintered society full of everyone elses social problems.

You really need a history refresher.

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Whole parts of cities and even whole areas of some US states used to be dominated by particular groups - Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians. Some areas had more German-language newspapers than English-language papers, as an example.

Despite that, within 2-3 generations, those ghettoes/colonies/whatever you like to call them had largely disbanded as the children and grandchildren of the migrants had learned English and had moved on to other areas.
 
That money is likely spread out across the globe. Interesting idea, even though Lyin' Ted is a world class piece of shit. The irony that one of the worst people on Earth paid for the wall is hilarious. Stretch that idea out and you can use seizures from illegal immigrant criminals to fund it. The El Chapo Act... brilliant.

An aide of his thought it up: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order Act

In general I like the idea of targeted taxes. Tax on cigarettes goes directly to cancer research/treatment. Traffic fines go directly to road maintainance and policing, etc.

The danger is always going to be law enforcement self-funding strategies. That's already happened in the past with asset seizures of suspected (not convicted) drug dealers.
 
In general I like the idea of targeted taxes. Tax on cigarettes goes directly to cancer research/treatment. Traffic fines go directly to road maintainance and policing, etc.

The danger is always going to be law enforcement self-funding strategies. That's already happened in the past with asset seizures of suspected (not convicted) drug dealers.

Do you even VAT bro?
 
+1.

Whole parts of cities and even whole areas of some US states used to be dominated by particular groups - Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians. Some areas had more German-language newspapers than English-language papers, as an example.

Despite that, within 2-3 generations, those ghettoes/colonies/whatever you like to call them had largely disbanded as the children and grandchildren of the migrants had learned English and had moved on to other areas.

I think you've missed my point, which is that technology is making people assimilation resistant. I never disagreed that it takes time, or w/ any historical aspect of it.

In addition, you're talking about a generally homogeneous body of immigration, which was for the most part aligned with Christianity and already had quite similar value systems. That's a much easier pill to swallow when it's mainly a language barrier.

Alternatively, in this new brand of immigration, you have wildly different cultures of which one in particular is very resistant to assimilation. All of these extreme differences are much harder to integrate, and you end up with what we have: identity politics. I think trying to equate historical immigration in the US with what is happening now ignores how different and more difficult it is.

Lastly, if you look at history it's littered with this stuff going wrong. Think of all the genocides, and clashes that happened when 2 groups came into contact fighting for resources. And think of things like the formation of Iraq, where they basically forces people to live together that didn't want to... hasn't worked out.
 
An bunch of (likely fake) anonymous quotes amounts to scary? Fake news.

Everything is fake! The world is fake! Reality doesn't exist! Cognitive dissonance, error does not compute with poor pants snowflake reality!
 
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Have you ever thought about what I find scary might differ from what you find scary? Maybe put yourself in someone else's shoes?

I think the work you are looking for is empathy.

There have been many hit jobs written like this over the last few months, as much as I try to empathize, I just don't see much beyond fake news.
 
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I think you've missed my point, which is that technology is making people assimilation resistant. I never disagreed that it takes time, or w/ any historical aspect of it.

I tend to disagree. Think about a couple of centuries ago - you lived in your own village/community, surrounded by people speaking the same language, reading newspapers published in your language. Getting to other towns or cities could take a couple of days. Getting to another country could take weeks or even months.

Now, you turn on the TV, look at the internet or step out onto the street and you're surrounded by different languages, different cultures. It's all around you. I would therefore argue that it's easier to assimilate nowadays than it was previously.

In addition, you're talking about a generally homogeneous body of immigration, which was for the most part aligned with Christianity and already had quite similar value systems. That's a much easier pill to swallow when it's mainly a language barrier.

Alternatively, in this new brand of immigration, you have wildly different cultures of which one in particular is very resistant to assimilation. All of these extreme differences are much harder to integrate, and you end up with what we have: identity politics. I think trying to equate historical immigration in the US with what is happening now ignores how different and more difficult it is.

I thing that you're engaging in some historical revisionism here.

Are you aware of just how bitterly various groups of immigrants - Irish, Italians, Slavs etc - used to detest each other?

There used to be businesses, even up to just a few decades ago, that would *only* hire Catholics or *only* hire Protestants. That was the case in countries like the US and Australia. The police force of a particular town, for example, may have been full of Irish Catholics. If you were, for example, a middle-European Protestant, you could forget about becoming a policeman, or if you did, you'd always be on the outer.

This is an anecdote, but it's not isolated - when my parents first married, they lived in a block of flats owned by a couple of Sicilian heritage. The wife was born in Australia, but she spoke hardly any English as she'd grown up surrounded by parents and friends who spoke Italian all the time. My mother - a schoolteacher - used to tutor this lady, aged in her late twenties, in English. Her young son, who had just started primary (or elementary) school, didn't want to speak Italian/Sicilian - he wanted to speak English and to play with other kids.

The Italians, Sicilians and Greeks hard largely arrived just after WWII, so had been in Australia for about 30 years by that time, as this was in the early 1970s. At the tail end of the Vietnam War, there was a sudden influx of refugees and other migrants from SE Asia - mainly from Vietnam, but also from Laos, Cambodia etc.

The Italians and other southern Europeans used to badmouth the Asians and were highly critical of them. I remember my parents telling me that they were amazed at the vitriol directed at the Vietnamese, coming from children of migrants whose families had only been here for a few decades. There was talk of the Vietnamese being criminals, of them forming ghettoes (this coming from a family who lived surrounded by Sicilians!), of not fitting in.

Now, another few decades on, everyone accepts the Italians, the Greeks and the Vietnamese. They're simply part of society. It's not unusual to fear or dislike migrants. It's not unusual to say that the latest wave won't fit in, that they're not like "us". It's been happening for centuries and, unfortunately, will probably continue to happen.
 
In other news, President Trump gave an interview to Reuters news agency:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...be-easier-trumps-reuters-interview-highlights

It's all pretty alarming, but this is really quite mind-boggling:

On peace in the Middle East

“It’s a possibility, we’re talking to both. It’s a possibility, but I want to see peace with Israel and the Palestinians. There is no reason there’s not peace between Israel and the Palestinians – none whatsoever.”
 
In other news, President Trump gave an interview to Reuters news agency:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...be-easier-trumps-reuters-interview-highlights

It's all pretty alarming, but this is really quite mind-boggling:

On peace in the Middle East

“It’s a possibility, we’re talking to both. It’s a possibility, but I want to see peace with Israel and the Palestinians. There is no reason there’s not peace between Israel and the Palestinians – none whatsoever.”

Those are all fake quotes. Can you prove that they're real? It doesn't exist if you can't personally verify it.
 
It's funny. When I was in Australia, everyone complained about how the US was assimilating everyone into their concumerist, vapid American culture. Living in America, I hear a bunch of people complaining about foreigners not assimilating fast enough.
 
It's funny. When I was in Australia, everyone complained about how the US was assimilating everyone into their concumerist, vapid American culture. Living in America, I hear a bunch of people complaining about foreigners not assimilating fast enough.

See? Everyone complains about "other" people's culture and how they don't trust or don't like it!
 
I tend to disagree. Think about a couple of centuries ago - you lived in your own village/community, surrounded by people speaking the same language, reading newspapers published in your language. Getting to other towns or cities could take a couple of days. Getting to another country could take weeks or even months.

Now, you turn on the TV, look at the internet or step out onto the street and you're surrounded by different languages, different cultures. It's all around you. I would therefore argue that it's easier to assimilate nowadays than it was previously.

Partially correct, but how would Christianity expand so widely if they were so clustered away?

It's easier to see differences nowadays, not necessarily assimilate.

I thing that you're engaging in some historical revisionism here.

Are you aware of just how bitterly various groups of immigrants - Irish, Italians, Slavs etc - used to detest each other?

Very aware. Same today. People don't necessarily want to intermix so intimately, but are forced to against their will.


There used to be businesses, even up to just a few decades ago, that would *only* hire Catholics or *only* hire Protestants. That was the case in countries like the US and Australia. The police force of a particular town, for example, may have been full of Irish Catholics. If you were, for example, a middle-European Protestant, you could forget about becoming a policeman, or if you did, you'd always be on the outer.

Still happens. Try being white and get a job at a Chinese restaurant as a waiter. But only white people are racist.


Now, another few decades on, everyone accepts the Italians, the Greeks and the Vietnamese. They're simply part of society. It's not unusual to fear or dislike migrants. It's not unusual to say that the latest wave won't fit in, that they're not like "us". It's been happening for centuries and, unfortunately, will probably continue to happen.

The Greeks and Vietnamese weren't blowing your cities up. Muslims are. It's fair to not want them here for that reason.

Lastly, because of tech, immigration is not necessary anymore. You can work from virtually anywhere in the world with a minimal amount of readily available technology.
 
Three quarters of terrorist attacks in the US caused by right wingers. So let's use that broad brush to paint a big Eject sign on anyone who votes right.

You can't deport citizens.

Also, if you are going for the broad brush argument, you might consider what Antifa did at the inauguration, Berkley, etc, to be terrorism. But even more misleading is the straw man of creating that statistic around "after 9/11". How convenient to ignore 4,000 deaths at the hands of muslims.
 
So ban Saudis and welcome Syrians if you want a ban based on terrorism body count if that's your thing.
 
This is a winning argument for deporting right wingers.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are worried about getting killed by a Muslim instead of a crazy white dude or random gangbanger.

44 people a day are murdered in the US, yet one French cop getting is worldwide headline news.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are worried about getting killed by a Muslim instead of a crazy white dude or random gangbanger.

44 people a day are murdered in the US, yet one French cop getting is worldwide headline news.

Blame the leftist ratings whore media.
 

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