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I need the opinions of elegant gentlemen of taste and refinement. I don't know any so I'm asking you cunts instead.

I'll be getting me mitts on a new summer jacket soon - darkish blue glen check in a wool / linen / thirst mix, about 8 oz from memory. I'll post pics when I take delivery, but I'm hoping to explore a few options before then. So:

What pentz / shirt / thirsts options would you recommend?

For pentz I've got light stone and cream chinos that I think would work pretty well. What about tailored pentz? Would light / medium grey work? If so, what kind of fabric, and any other colour suggestions? I like the idea of a light flannel, but not sure if that would go.

For shirts I assume plain light blue would work, but what else? I'm assuming I should stick to plains, is that right? Pink? Light grey? I'm at a bit of a loss here.

When it comes to thirsts I've got almost no idea whatsoever. I'm looking to get my first grenadines, so maybe something like that? Again, with the pattern in the jacket I'm thinking plains, but I'd like some patterns if possible as well. If I did stick with plains, I'm thinking something textured - grenadine, something a bit slubby like shantung, that kind of thing.

All suggestions / piss-taking gratefully received.
 
I will try to moderate my language. Pentz will be hard to give up though, I am enjoying using the word in an ironic sense. Or is it post-ironic?
 
fxh said:
never was ironic. so cant be post or neo or retro
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Someone uses it ironically here. I think it's to mock the Pitti spunkers, dressed for acqua alta in their mid-calf pentz - basically, pedal pushers for unmen - and socklessness.

Of course, if the flood came their precautions would be ineffective because the water would ruin their Tackynacci Belgian unshoes, which they wear to match their pentz and probably cost more than said pentz.

Oh, the irony!
 
People always say that gray flannels are the first pants you should buy. These people also say that you can only wear flannel when it's cold.

What if you live in a time or place where it's not cold?
 
Algernon Crisp said:
Pentz will be hard to give up though, I am enjoying using the word in an ironic sense. Or is it post-ironic?
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Algernon Crisp said:
Someone uses it ironically here. I think it's to mock the Pitti spunkers, dressed for acqua alta in their mid-calf pentz - basically, pedal pushers for unmen - and socklessness.
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"Pentz" is SF slang, and I'm pretty sure that it originally came from the Ambrosi thread. I don't know whether Signore Ambrosi himself referred to "pentz" and that it took off from there, or whether someone else used it when referring to Mafoofan's struggles with getting Ambrosi to provide him with the multiple pairs of $1000 trousers that he'd ordered, but it became popular and widespread over on SF.
 
I'm looking for nice knit summer sweaters, reasonably priced and in classic colors, round neck and/or cardigan, preferably from somewhere in the EU. Any tips?
 
Darkside said:
People always say that gray flannels are the first pants you should buy. These people also say that you can only wear flannel when it's cold.

What if you live in a time or place where it's not cold?
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What is your definition of "not" cold?

Flannel is seen as a colder weather fabric both in terms of how warm it might wear and its texture.

That said, it depends on type of flannel (worsted vs woolen) and fabric weight.

Woolen flannel - think Fox Brothers - is the soft, fuzzy flannel and in a 16 ounce weight, might not work for warm-blooded people in warm to hot weather

worsted flannel - think J&J Minnis - is made the same way as a worsted suiting fabric and has a different finishing done to it: combing it to raise a nap which is a bit fuzzy but not like woolen flannel. You can still see the weave beneath the fuzz.

Woolen flannel is more fragile than worsted so in a lower weight will wear cooler but not last you as long.

A worsted flannel in a lighter weight can take you into warmer weather.

But that is why there are lighter wools and plain/open weaves and linen for better performance (relatively speaking) in hot weather

So back to your question, how not-cold is it is your space & time?
 
Simple questions sometimes require nuanced answers. Thank you for that!

I'm in a location where the summer temperatures range from 60 to 75 F. Hardly warm (or cold.)

My flannel untrousers are 310grams, which translates to about 11 oz. in American. I will now consider them fair game.
 
Darkside said:
Simple questions sometimes require nuanced answers. Thank you for that!

I'm in a location where the summer temperatures range from 60 to 75 F. Hardly warm (or cold.)

My flannel untrousers are 310grams, which translates to about 11 oz. in American. I will now consider them fair game.
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10 / 11 oz is a pretty good weight for general conditions.
 
Darkside said:
Simple questions sometimes require nuanced answers. Thank you for that!

I'm in a location where the summer temperatures range from 60 to 75 F. Hardly warm (or cold.)

My flannel untrousers are 310grams, which translates to about 11 oz. in American. I will now consider them fair game.
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certainly comfortable in the 60's. 310 g/sq. meter = more like 9 ounces/sq. yd. so for sure fine at those temps. i wear 12/13 oz/sq. yd in the range you posted
 
Thruth said:
certainly comfortable in the 60's. 310 g/sq. meter = more like 9 ounces/sq. yd. so for sure fine at those temps. i wear 12/13 oz/sq. yd in the range you posted
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Are you sure? I make it 11. Is there some kind of special conversion factor or something?
 
Journeyman said:
"Pentz" is SF slang, and I'm pretty sure that it originally came from the Ambrosi thread. I don't know whether Signore Ambrosi himself referred to "pentz" and that it took off from there, or whether someone else used it when referring to Mafoofan's struggles with getting Ambrosi to provide him with the multiple pairs of $1000 trousers that he'd ordered, but it became popular and widespread over on SF.
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correct. it was introduced in that thread because that is the way salvatore pronounces the word pants
 
I wouldn't say grey flannels are the first trousers you should buy but they are nice to have if you do the navy blazer, blue OCBD brown suede shoes thing. I love the melange woollen flannels in light/mid grey but I do also like the charcoal worsted flannel - I haven't got any at the moment - which seems to be out of favour amongst the cognoscenti these days. Proper woollen flannels aren't all that robust however. So if you are one of those who are hard on clothes or have big thighs that rub together then you'll only want to pull them out once or twice a year.

Woollen flannels do wear warm in my experience but mostly they are down around 9oz or so these days and it isn't a big deal - depending where you are of course. I tend to see them as the opposite of linen in seasonality but they are nowhere as identifiably winter/country as tweed trousers like Donegal as I notice a few of the gents like.
 
gube said:
Something not too warm or thick. Maybe a cotton-cashmere blend or fine merino instead of heavy lambswool or the like.
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Backtrack this thread for our discussion with Monkeyface on sweaters. Most of his choices weren't lightweight, but there were several sexy styles and interesting brands to look through.
 
Too matchy?

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