Challenging iGent Verities

Jan Libourel said:
It looks as if I am going to be up in Beverly Hills for the first time in a long time this Saturday. I'll have to check out their establishment on Rodeo Drive if I'm anywhere near there. They must be doing well to be able to afford the rent on Rodeo. I was once told it is about twice as high as for similar space on neighboring streets.
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Did you go Jan?
 
Rambo said:
Did you go Jan?
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My wife postponed it for a week. Unfortunately, I never got too close to Rodeo. I did visit Barneys. The price tags on the clothes there will sure knock your socks off. I have to wonder who buys all that stuff.
 
I had another question - what about wearing black suits at night? I don't mean black tie but a black lounge suit or is black reserved for those who are in service (waiters, doormen, etc.)

And since I was just at a funeral today is a white linen pocket square in a TV fold okay? Tie clip okay?
 
Oh I know. It was more a passing comment from someone that if you were to go clubbing a black suit is more suitable than any other colour. I don't go clubbing anymore but I was wondering what other utility there is for a black suit.

Yet there is so much black out there.

Brown shoes at night? Yes ? No ?
 
It's winter time. My favourite overcoat is a charcoal grey chesterfield. However, when it's colder, I have a trusty black overcoat. Is plain black improper and reflective of people in service or in mourning at a funeral?
 
I've been under the impression that for outerwear it's fine. A number of Barbour options, for example, are black wax-cotton.
 
I generally stick with charcoal for overcoats, but I have a nice double breasted black wool trenchcoat that I'll wear with black shoes or even dark brown. I don't know if that last is a good decision or not.

Regardless, I think it depends on the overcoat cut/design/whatever as far as looking like you are coming from a funeral.

From a few years ago. Ask me before I looked at this picture, I'd tell you I'd never wear that trench without a proper coat underneath these days. After looking at it...I kind of like it and am inclined to say fuck it. Rattle some cages.
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I'm wearing the same jacket and pants again sometime soon. Tie and shirt will probably be different.
 
I'm going to challenge IGenteelism on a whole different level.

For casual sweatshirts/hoodies, I still love Abercrombie and Fitch. Long, slouchy sleeves, but a cropped and narrow body, along with a big, floppy hood. Wearing one right now in fact. Get minimal branding, and it's so nice after the gym.
 
Did you take the sleeves up to the hinge of your wrist?

I always wondered about casual clothing and jackets - how much tailoring ought to go into them, if any.
 
All things A&F deserve to burn. Which is what they do with clothes rather than donate them. Or allow minorities to wear them.
 
I just read a men's magazine quoting Tom Ford said black shoes are for blue suits and brown shoes for grey. Should it not be the other way around?
 
I believe National Lampoon's High School Yearbook has a section in the back where the teacher's report in the student's file notes that his father was wearing brown shoes with a blue suit (as if this was a sign of poor taste, a black mark so to speak).
Monochrome sums up my feelings on most gray/black combos.
 
Socks - always a different shade from the trousers or multi-colour stripe patterns or you buy a pack of x colour and you just wear all x colour (such as black).
 
Another dogma I have no use for is: "The shirt must be lighter than the suit and the tie darker than the shirt." Why? Sure, the black shirt and white tie combo looks pretty silly on anyone except a musical comedy gangster. However, I think a light-colored suit, e.g., tan or light gray, with a medium to dark blue shirt and, say, a pink or yellow tie can look very good in an appropriately festive context.

On second thought, probably the foregoing rule may have some validity with the stodgy dark gray or navy suits commonly recommended for business wear, but it should hardly be universal. Does anybody here have any views on this one?
 
I would rock a light grey suit with all sorts of dark shirts. Royal, maroon, kelly green, etc..
 
In principle, removing the tie will make it less egregious. But dark shirt with a suit is still pretty.....mmmmmmm....probably not something I'm going to like
 
Chorn said:
In principle, removing the tie will make it less egregious. But dark shirt with a suit is still pretty.....mmmmmmm....probably not something I'm going to like
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Its something of an acquired taste, to be sure. I'm used to seeing it given the temperature and stylings of my locale. Also, something that I think I could pull off.
 
Jan Libourel said:
Another dogma I have no use for is: "The shirt must be lighter than the suit and the tie darker than the shirt." Why? Sure, the black shirt and white tie combo looks pretty silly on anyone except a musical comedy gangster. However, I think a light-colored suit, e.g., tan or light gray, with a medium to dark blue shirt and, say, a pink or yellow tie can look very good in an appropriately festive context.

On second thought, probably the foregoing rule may have some validity with the stodgy dark gray or navy suits commonly recommended for business wear, but it should hardly be universal. Does anybody here have any views on this one?
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Is that really a thing?

Tan linen suit with navy poplin shirt is a summer staple where it's hot out.
 
Is it only dandies who wear stripe and colourful socks or is it de rigeur for everyone?

I mostly wear staple dark suits to work (navy, charcoal grey, etc.) and find purchasing a dozen black socks to be easier. I doubt anyone really sees my ankles underneath boardroom tables or my office desk.
 
My socks are all navy or brown. I'd like more with very subtle patterns though. Nothing bright. Because fuck that shit.
 
FWIW, I like bright socks. They are becoming a more standardized piece of the general ware though, even reaching beyond the bounds of #menswear.
 
I'm pro-bright solids and the slight pattern. Most of them are WAY too busy with the geometric shapes and shit. But a nice solid pair of red or purple? Can really snazz up an outfit.
 
Rambo said:
I'm pro-bright solids and the slight pattern. Most of them are WAY too busy with the geometric shapes and shit. But a nice solid pair of red or purple? Can really snazz up an outfit.
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Yessir.
 
I'm challenging Igents today.

This weekend, I purchased 3 pairs of chinos in basic colors: black, white, and medium khaki. I had been wanting to purchase various Epaulet pairs (which would have totaled $450 or so for the three). Instead, I got them from Banana Republic w/ my employee discount (grand total of $90).

The fit is great. They're cotton canvas pants. And they were $360 less than getting them from my favorite store. I don't have qualms.

Come at me.
 
El Argentino said:
I'm challenging Igents today.

This weekend, I purchased 3 pairs of chinos in basic colors: black, white, and medium khaki. I had been wanting to purchase various Epaulet pairs (which would have totaled $450 or so for the three). Instead, I got them from Banana Republic w/ my employee discount (grand total of $90).

The fit is great. They're cotton canvas pants. And they were $360 less than getting them from my favorite store. I don't have qualms.

Come at me.
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How many different ways are you going to pick this fight?
 
I have a few BR woolen trou that are still going strong many years after being purchased. It may be that BR's quality is questionable on average, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a few stand out pieces here and there. It's just a matter of finding them.
 
I don't have any problem with that however the black ones are questionable as basic, I think.
 
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