Is Manton the Anti-iGent?

LelandJ said:
That collage was the very first time I saw 'all' of your fits at one time. I've followed SF for couple years now my 'experience' is definitely of individuals, I don't view everyone on SF like a collective bee hive, however some act as such. When you mention AAS, bingo, strange pairings, and childish colors are the only things that come to mind. I don't care if the five previous and following posters have no patterns at all. AAS posts a fit and I've been well sick of it.

You could take a poll on SF and ask whether people judge a person's fit within the context of the individual's wardrobe or the fits posted by others before and after.
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stop the maximally pigmented hate. i love aas. LKP LKP does as well. are you racist like mrmararororaro? better focus on your own fits than shit on aas
 
BINGOOOOOÓ

LL
 
LelandJ said:
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this picture made me realize why i like aas' contributions so much

apart from him being one of the few genuine guys in the waywn thread his face and especially his smile remind me of the american born actor/dancer donald jones who moved to holland mid 20th century to escape the emereken racism and bigotry

back then he apparently was the first black actor on dutch tv and he was still very popular on dutch tv when i grew up in the 80's.

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ConchitaWurst said:
this picture made me realize why i like aas' contributions so much

apart from him being one of the few genuine guys in the waywn thread his face and especially his smile remind me of the american born actor/dancer donald jones who moved to holland mid 20th century to escape the emereken racism and bigotry

back then he apparently was the first black actor on dutch tv and he was still very popular on dutch tv when i grew up in the 80's.

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harlem is very dutch too
 
Thruth said:
And rice table. Don't forget the rice table
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yes we have always been devoted to the maximally pigmented from surinam and the medium pigmented from indonesia. unfortunately, they didn't always appreciate our efforts and sometimes even doubted our goodwill
 
ConchitaWurst said:
yes we have always been devoted to the maximally pigmented from surinam and the medium pigmented from indonesia. unfortunately, they didn't always appreciate our efforts and sometimes even doubted our goodwill
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surinam has given us some good football players though and indonesia some nice food. although LKP LKP will confirm that the traditional dutch cuisine of kroketten, patat, bamiballen, berenklauwen, kapsalon and joppiesaus is the best
 
I really, really like Manton. I know others don't. But he's very amenable if you reach out to him, his book is about as well-written as a men's clothing book can be, and I've never had a problem with him.
 
So to get this back on track - although I have thoroughly enjoyed this interlude - Manton is the pre-iGent. A clothing hobbiest with a depth of knowledge of historical practices who communicated more with words than with pictures. While valuing brands, bespoke and dressing well he was not a peacock and to me gained pleasure by being a leader in such sartorial discourse no matter if you think that he was particularly adept at practicing what he preached or if you thought he was a pedant or a prick or knew nothing at all.

If you look back to the early days of SF you will see there was primarily discussion with pictures to illustrate points. Questions were asked and answered. Then as now there were intelligent questions as well as idiotic ones. The knowledge exchanged represented depth as opposed to so much shallowness now.
 
Don't really care if Manton talks a lot if his walk is so poor.

Chorn said:
What does a person's reason for dressing up say about them?
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Who else besides Stitches dresses up in CBD without it required for work? Doesn't it simply say uniform for work?
 
Chorn said:
What does a person's reason for dressing up say about them?
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What does it say about them? Depends. Why do you dress up? Is it a necessity or is it a choice?

If it is it a necessity does one do it grudgingly, cluelessly or effectively? A loaded question I know because there are poorly dressed CEO's (by ignorance or choice) and well dressed do-nothing's.

If it is not a necessity, why does someone do it? Are they trying to impress? Have they misjudged what might be appropriate? Are they a peacock or just naturally have a sense of style or dig the vibe from dressing up.

On a daily basis I see poorly dressed (to me) senior leaders. Few with any flair irrespective of the quality of their clothes. Suggests to me that they either do not know or care. I surmise they don't know how to dress well because you can tell who is dressing up because they have to and so it grudgingly as they wardrobe malfunctions separate them from the herd.

Now these people earn entry level and above 1%er incomes. The put on a suit or odd jacket and trousers but they resemble the neophyte menswear forum newbies: a pedestrian and unsophisticated sense of what they beleive is "good". I some respects they do not care enough to invest the time to learn. They might have more important interests. No different than most of us before we crossed the line for whatever reason and decided it was important to dress well and set out on this quest that brings us here, SF, AAAC, LL and FNB.

Why do I dress up? Because, based on my position, it is appropriate. Why do I try to dress well? Because if I must do it I must do it well. Have I been influenced by the forums? Absolutely. Has it changed how i dress? Most certainly. Does age have something to do with it? Of course.

In my 20's was MC important? No, I was more interested in dressing like a thug or a biker but I also thought hair half-way down my back was where it was at, a sentiment that did not fade until my mid to late 30's. It wasn't until almost 40 when i realized that semi-retirement was turning my brain to mush that i set out on a third career; one that required dressing above those who worked for me (my belief). It was a strategic but yet naive decision. That of a neophyte, although I had a good grounding earlier in life when I would hang out at Julien's in Chapel Hill and pick their brains.

It wasn't until a decade ago, a fourth career, that the process started in earnest. But still Paul Smith was style to me. Having taken a 50% pay cut to move to this godforsaken place so my wife could be closer to her aging parents, and underestimating the cost of housing in this market, somehow I was drawn to SF's B&S to maximize my purchasing power. I lurked and read and drank the Kool-Aid. Hard work erased the pay cut and manifoldly increased my earning power. Coupled with knowledge and the pragmatism of age the impulse buy mentality was thankfully short-lived and I am at a place where there is nothing I really need but always something i want. But I have learned to resist. Of course I developed a latent boot-only fetish but we all must have vices.

So, what does this say about me? I haven't a clue because in the grand scheme of things it is meaningless. I do know I dress for work because I beleive it is the appropriate thing to do. I try to dress well for me while I need to be dressing for work. At the end of the day, I can't wait to take off my uniform, place it carefully in my wardrobes, don my coming to work clothes and bugger off home.

When not at work, I put less thought into what I wear. Still focus on quality but far less anal about it. Week days, weekends there is no difference. No casual slacks, no sweater-under-jacket-sans-tie-loafers for lolling around on weekends. No time for it but it also smacks of the ubiquitous Arab fit one sees on cab drivers. That said, most likely I am the only pseudo-rancher wearing - at least around here - SWD brands with horseshit and oil stains.

Come to think of it, we suffer from an illness or sorts don't we?
 
Thruth said:
Come to think of it, we suffer from an illness or sorts don't we?
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It's only healthy and natural to care about your environment. Culture and aesthetics are inseparable and there's nothing closer in our environment than our clothes. That so many people today regardless of wealth are unconcerned with their clothes is just another symptom of a society that's deeply metaphysical, culturally unrooted, and disconnected from their environment: the clothes aren't intimate nor unique, they're just another foreign object with only utilitarian purpose, disposable, and nothing really to consider. There's so much ugliness in the modern world, ironically much of it desired or considered art as way of coping or justification for its discordant existence, that people don't even recognize the depravity of their clothes. Obviously poor people don't have a choice, unlike in all of pre-industrial human history, where all clothes were made by hand almost always by people known to the people wearing them. People paying $$$$ for historical peasant clothes makes sense because there was art in that lost way of life. Of course wearing such clothes in NYC or SF today with backdrop of endless Starbucks and glass emptiness is absurd. Holism is dead and the human race will most likely become extinct within our lifetimes especially in the northern hemisphere.
 
Chorn said:
What does a person's reason for dressing up say about them?
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It tells you their priorities.
In this hypothetical case where people are either dressing up solely to take photos for the internet, this shows that they found this to be the best use of their time. That certainly say something.
If one is actually going about their day deliberately dressed above what is appropriate, that says something about their disconnect from other people. In a way I do this, but I admittedly am a tad aloof.
If we combine these, and someone dresses up for photos to share with internet strangers, and then goes about their day dressing in an alienating way amongst actual people... that seems to show a disdain for actual nearby people in preference of digital people. That tribe mentality, and the feeling that one is part of some elite circle.
 
Wouldn't a discerning quality of an iGent be that he is more focussed on the buying and collecting part than the wearing part?
 
Monkeyface said:
Wouldn't a discerning quality of an iGent be that he is more focussed on the buying and collecting part than the wearing part?
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I think perceived intellectual and moral superiority is the gist of the iGent.
 
Combine all of those and you've got a pretty good working definition. I hate how people all of a sudden start saying "good sir!" and stuff like that as soon as they put on a suit.
 
Monkeyface said:
Combine all of those and you've got a pretty good working definition. I hate how people all of a sudden start saying "good sir!" and stuff like that as soon as they put on a suit.
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Good Sir, i find your post quite offensive given that i am wearing a suit. had i been wearing denim i would have let it pass. you have been told
 
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