Pitti 87

walker said:
is this how bespoke clothing should look alike?

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Nope,

The real answer is, this is how bespoke gets humillated, lowered and parodied into a gay fetish as leather, bot ties, harley davidson, and everything this dirtys get their hands on, gets lowered and humillated. Then you understand my crusade to keep the textile business, where this year is an exact century my surname has been on it.

I won´t tolerate and do not do this degenerates, pink sockers, albertitos and rincon de bujarrones ( spanish tacky forum) gets mock of business as tailoring is.

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Wow, the skinny - lapel hat. For people who want to be an anachronism but avoid the function of that pesky brim.
 
Rambo said:
I deleted all the recent posts in here. Keep that horseshit off the forum guys.
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you also deleted meaningful posts
back to modschool

btw where is the dogmans liek?
that you finally brought fok-like ORDNUNG to the thread,?????
 
gufasd said:
The moderation is lacking. Some of the posts might have been better in dumb threads, but on the whole the deletion was over the top. What content did you find so disagreeable that you had to become authoritarian?
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I am an autoritharian per se! I only obey God as only God gives me orders i must do!
 
Just wrote this into the Pitti section of the other forum;


I always have invitations and won´t ever be part of that circus that parodies the high tailoring into a sanitarium or circus.



Note any of the top tailors go Pitti ( or the few never take part of the circus, just go as a true gentleman, dressed as must be, do their business and return home, only owners of ( dubious taste and quality ) shops who use that for ¿ inmature promotion? and don´t know a thing about dressing or tailoring( obvious pics thumbs up etc)



Due to this, the big brands as Brioni etc are deciding to leave this circus as they do not want to be associated with this, what will make them lose their clientele, high directives, prime ministers and serious dressers who as me, see this as a profanation and an act of the worst taste possible.



For what i have been told from the inside, Pitti will end on a few years, and It was the time.



Ridiculicing, parodying, lowering, mocking and the humillation a serious sacrified business as tailoring is was too much for us who believe on elegance and a dignous good work.
 
^ The man with the beaver hat, block-striped shirt-dress and very large scale glen-plaid overcoat with badges and very large, chunky glasses is so absolutely absurd that he's actually cool.

He looks as though he could play the role of the Mad Hatter in an Alice in Wonderland re-make.
 
News from FOK, and my answer; http://www.styleforum.net/t/449525/pitti-uomo-87-in-pictures/60
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This. Also, if by ceasing to exist, @SartodiNapoli, you mean bigger and more successful, then you are right. Everyone always complains about the big shows, but this year participation was greater than ever.



THIS IS MY ANSWER THERE,
What i was told is that it will dissapear soon ( and will get kind a facial lifting renewal, to get rid of what is today), as it has become a show of disguissed people instead of buyers buying. That serious big brands do not want to be involved with this, and that economic return from having stands there is low, any or minimun, expecially compared with other serious shows when you do not see all this excess of dubious taste that perjudicates any who is serious on the business.



About this, i am not marketing expert, but heard the same concept. You invest a lot on a tv commercial that is seen by tons of million people ( prime time on the morning per example) were people who see it are jubilated people with low income or sadly unemployee people. This means that from 5 million viewer people, only a few are potential buyers able to buy your product, so they decide to pay less and find other dedicated programs were more % will be potencial customers instead.



The brands realiced was a bad thing to be on Pitti time ago with all this disguise show, be associated with that bad image, or those are not potential clients indeed and the succesful, is not economical succesful, but only people who pays the entrance or goes there, but any buys or leaves wanting to get a Brioni or X suit, that is the real success they, and everybody, except the attention seekers on the door, want to achieve.



The famous guy always thumbs up (i omit his name), cowboy shoes and always opened DB jackets on overdose UVA rays, it might seem very succesfull as he is a Pitti icon or is an all the ( dubious taste) blogs, japanese fashion magazine, but he and similar imitators of this " business" model as he , who are in all this pictures, don´t sell barely enough to pay the bills each month or each year refinance with banks to stay open.



So, he is the perfect example that this doesn´t attracts money or sales, that is what they want. They already got the fame, but can´t pay bills.



Most of the attention seekers you see edition after edition ( always are the few same) are mostly (bad) tailors, bloggers, ruined shop owners, some hair dressers or " stilistas" as well who want pics and fame. People who the industry doesn´t need but on the contrary those needs the industry.



A thing i should not say, a fashion brand ( who promotes that Joker kind bad look) who expent a lot on his Pitti stand, has let unpaid tons of euros to a shirtmaker factory i know and it seems won´t ever pay his deubt for tons of shirts made and delivered.



On the serious shows were shop buyers, fabric shows in Paris or Milan, shoe in Frankfurt or Milan as well, you don´t see all this disgusting images, so even the industry wants to get rid of it asap. ( And i hope soon for the image and dignity and seriousness of the tailoring business)


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gufasd said:
In reference to your last few paragraphs it seems that the way business is conducted in the menswear realm is quite childish. Do people really have stands for their clothes and give out samples? Is it that far fetched to show your work and make people pay for items?

In terms of serious buyers I find the idea that serious buyers for the industry are less absurd is in itself absurd. Fashion week is one of the most serious weeks for selling large volumes of expensive garments and is a giant shit show. People in the creative sphere love to act like morons - dressing like fools and pretending to be artists despite truly being glorified salespeople. The same is true for the menswear sphere of fashion with the caveat that they want to sell through tapping into other emotions. They want to put on a show for their "peers" while maintaining the ideas of reticence for the public eye.
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You've never been to a trade show?
 
gufasd said:
In reference to your last few paragraphs it seems that the way business is conducted in the menswear realm is quite childish. Do people really have stands for their clothes and give out samples? Is it that far fetched to show your work and make people pay for items?

In terms of serious buyers I find the idea that serious buyers for the industry are less absurd is in itself absurd. Fashion week is one of the most serious weeks for selling large volumes of expensive garments and is a giant shit show. People in the creative sphere love to act like morons - dressing like fools and pretending to be artists despite truly being glorified salespeople. The same is true for the menswear sphere of fashion with the caveat that they want to sell through tapping into other emotions. They want to put on a show for their "peers" while maintaining the ideas of reticence for the public eye.
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To your first paragraph,

Don´t you know how works Pitti? Is like any other show, of ice cream, used cars, or whatever.

On Pitti they let you try suits etc, and with luck you get a small freebie, pens with the logo, bracelets, or who knows what, but sure not shirts or suits for free ( unless you are called Craptom)

They also sell there, but it seems no one buys are they are closing and returning to the shop or factory with all the goods, jajaja

The idea was to get on tv news your logo for free and get free promotion of your brand etc, but all the attention is got by the clowns on the door, so i am very happy they will close this sanitarium.
 
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