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I loved the numerous pictures of poll workers in Trump gear. What a fucked up process.
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The pre-printed ballot with a bunch of people who had already dropped out was another good one.
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I'm not too familiar with how Nevada works, but that, in and of itself, would not be too unusual. Bill Richardson was on my ballot in Florida before he dropped out of the presidential race in...2008, IIRC. I remember this particular example well because I'd already sent in my absentee ballot voting for him.
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That's interesting. To an extent, I understand it, because you're not going to reprint thousands of ballots if someone dropped out 2 days before, but some of these guys had been out for weeks. You'd think they could at least get some lines drawn through the names.
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Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal
According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that “the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government” should “frighten every business and political leader” and “excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists.”
Luntz’s poll found that young Americans are optimistic about both the country’s future and their own: 61% say the best days of the United States are still ahead of us rather than behind us, and 88% are somewhat, very or extremely optimistic about their economic prospects. But they have concerns, too. Their biggest, in order, are “corruption,” “greed” and “inequality.”
President Obama is not their favorite political figure — Bernie Sanders is. Indeed, 31 percent said Bernie Sanders is the major political figure they “like and respect the most” — more than Obama (18 percent) and Hillary Clinton (11 percent). Many fewer young people like and respect Republican politicians, with just 9 percent choosing Donald Trump, 5 percent George W. Bush and 5 percent Ted Cruz. Bill Clinton has been nearly forgotten, with only 3 percent choosing him. Elizabeth Warren also has low visibility, chosen by just 2 percent. All in all, 66 percent of young Americans chose a Democratic political figure.
Admiration of Sanders is especially strong among the younger half of respondents, with 40 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds saying he’s the political figure they most like and respect.
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
In addition, more 18- to 21-year-olds chose Sanders as the person they’d most like to have dinner with than anyone else, ahead of Obama, Jennifer Lawrence, Ellen DeGeneres, Bill Gates, Taylor Swift and Beyoncé.
They aren’t nationalistic: 58 percent of respondents said they agreed more with the statement “America isn’t better or worse than most other countries” than with “America is exceptional. It’s better than every other country in the world.” In fact, 35 percent of 18 to 26-year-olds, including 42 percent of 18 to 21-year-olds, said they considered themselves more a citizen of the world than of the U.S.
In response to the question, “Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?”, 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. 66 percent of the poll’s respondents said corporate America “embodies everything that is wrong about America.”
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
Finally, more young Americans declared that the “most pressing issue facing America today” is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent) and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists.
The poll, conducted February 11 to 14, surveyed 1,000 18 to 26-year-olds. In the introduction to his polling memo, Luntz dubs young Americans “the Snapchat Generation,” which indicates that he is very, very old.
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Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal
According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that “the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government” should “frighten every business and political leader” and “excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists.”
Luntz’s poll found that young Americans are optimistic about both the country’s future and their own: 61% say the best days of the United States are still ahead of us rather than behind us, and 88% are somewhat, very or extremely optimistic about their economic prospects. But they have concerns, too. Their biggest, in order, are “corruption,” “greed” and “inequality.”
President Obama is not their favorite political figure — Bernie Sanders is. Indeed, 31 percent said Bernie Sanders is the major political figure they “like and respect the most” — more than Obama (18 percent) and Hillary Clinton (11 percent). Many fewer young people like and respect Republican politicians, with just 9 percent choosing Donald Trump, 5 percent George W. Bush and 5 percent Ted Cruz. Bill Clinton has been nearly forgotten, with only 3 percent choosing him. Elizabeth Warren also has low visibility, chosen by just 2 percent. All in all, 66 percent of young Americans chose a Democratic political figure.
Admiration of Sanders is especially strong among the younger half of respondents, with 40 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds saying he’s the political figure they most like and respect.
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
In addition, more 18- to 21-year-olds chose Sanders as the person they’d most like to have dinner with than anyone else, ahead of Obama, Jennifer Lawrence, Ellen DeGeneres, Bill Gates, Taylor Swift and Beyoncé.
They aren’t nationalistic: 58 percent of respondents said they agreed more with the statement “America isn’t better or worse than most other countries” than with “America is exceptional. It’s better than every other country in the world.” In fact, 35 percent of 18 to 26-year-olds, including 42 percent of 18 to 21-year-olds, said they considered themselves more a citizen of the world than of the U.S.
In response to the question, “Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?”, 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. 66 percent of the poll’s respondents said corporate America “embodies everything that is wrong about America.”
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
Finally, more young Americans declared that the “most pressing issue facing America today” is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent) and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists.
The poll, conducted February 11 to 14, surveyed 1,000 18 to 26-year-olds. In the introduction to his polling memo, Luntz dubs young Americans “the Snapchat Generation,” which indicates that he is very, very old.
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Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal
According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that “the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government” should “frighten every business and political leader” and “excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists.”
Luntz’s poll found that young Americans are optimistic about both the country’s future and their own: 61% say the best days of the United States are still ahead of us rather than behind us, and 88% are somewhat, very or extremely optimistic about their economic prospects. But they have concerns, too. Their biggest, in order, are “corruption,” “greed” and “inequality.”
President Obama is not their favorite political figure — Bernie Sanders is. Indeed, 31 percent said Bernie Sanders is the major political figure they “like and respect the most” — more than Obama (18 percent) and Hillary Clinton (11 percent). Many fewer young people like and respect Republican politicians, with just 9 percent choosing Donald Trump, 5 percent George W. Bush and 5 percent Ted Cruz. Bill Clinton has been nearly forgotten, with only 3 percent choosing him. Elizabeth Warren also has low visibility, chosen by just 2 percent. All in all, 66 percent of young Americans chose a Democratic political figure.
Admiration of Sanders is especially strong among the younger half of respondents, with 40 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds saying he’s the political figure they most like and respect.
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
In addition, more 18- to 21-year-olds chose Sanders as the person they’d most like to have dinner with than anyone else, ahead of Obama, Jennifer Lawrence, Ellen DeGeneres, Bill Gates, Taylor Swift and Beyoncé.
They aren’t nationalistic: 58 percent of respondents said they agreed more with the statement “America isn’t better or worse than most other countries” than with “America is exceptional. It’s better than every other country in the world.” In fact, 35 percent of 18 to 26-year-olds, including 42 percent of 18 to 21-year-olds, said they considered themselves more a citizen of the world than of the U.S.
In response to the question, “Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?”, 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. 66 percent of the poll’s respondents said corporate America “embodies everything that is wrong about America.”
Source: LuntzGlobal, February 11-14, 2016
Finally, more young Americans declared that the “most pressing issue facing America today” is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent) and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists.
The poll, conducted February 11 to 14, surveyed 1,000 18 to 26-year-olds. In the introduction to his polling memo, Luntz dubs young Americans “the Snapchat Generation,” which indicates that he is very, very old.
Young people are liberal? Color me shocked. I'm sure this is terrifying to an old dude like Luntz.
I'm actually coming around to the millennials a little. The cuckoo ones get bad press, but there is a strong undercurrent of fiscal responsibility that runs through a lot them and most consider themselves non-affiliated politically. They are just under the radar because everyone has so much fun bashing the glaring idiots in their midst.
They have much to learn, but their optimism is good. Maybe too good really.
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They played a clip from Trump's victory speech on BBC Radio 2.
He gave the percentages and was very proud that more than 40% of the Hispanics voted for him.
And I was thinking: How many Hispanics would vote Republican and especially Trump?
He gave the percentages and was very proud that more than 40% of the Hispanics voted for him.
And I was thinking: How many Hispanics would vote Republican and especially Trump?
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Remember this is the Republican caucus. There are like 10 Latinos total in it. The general election would be a bloodbath on that front.
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With Mexicans for sure.
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Probably all the big time drug dealers in Las Vegas.
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You think that's because they're so deep in debt with student loans that they've had no choice?
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Only the rapists.
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Nope.
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its amazing how donald and ted are oneupping themselves over the mexicans.
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Is Ted Cruz funded by the Texan meat industry?
Just curious, because I watched a documentary, where they showed that Hispanic illegals, working in a meat factory, got deported.
But only a few at a time, so the production wouldn't suffer. And of course, they already had new "staff" coming in.
So with Trump and Cruz wanting to deport all!!! illegals, the meat industry won't be happy.
Just curious, because I watched a documentary, where they showed that Hispanic illegals, working in a meat factory, got deported.
But only a few at a time, so the production wouldn't suffer. And of course, they already had new "staff" coming in.
So with Trump and Cruz wanting to deport all!!! illegals, the meat industry won't be happy.
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Honestly the only Trump supporters I've met are Hispanic.
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On a presidential level it isn't even close.
And before you start carrying on I'm married into a hard core Hispanic Republican family, which is literally the only reason your state has Marco Rubio as senator.
The days of W carrying the Latino vote have sailed since the wall talk began.
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Deleted my post because I was wrong. Congress is 24-20, HD v. HR. Governors are 2-0 HR v HD. And you're right about voting habits. Thanks, Mexico.
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10 years ago you'd be spot on, but it's been crushed in the meantime.
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I am Jack's smirking revenge
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On the plus side, we'd have a FLILF.
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Trumponomics – How the Trump Economic Plan Will Work | Ian Welsh
Trumponomics – How the Trump Economic Plan Will Work
2016 FEBRUARY 25
by Ian Welsh
Ok folks, let’s say what people keep refusing to say.
Trump’s economic plan makes sense and will work.
Okay?
What Trump wants to do is to use tariffs to return production to the United States. He has mentioned a 35% tariff on cars produced in Mexico, for example.
This is not crazy, this is not insane, this is how economies were largely run for most capitalist history.
If a country is running a trade deficit it has more demand than it is filling domestically. If it has unused capacity and less than full employment (both are true in the US, I would want to see the US running under 2% unemployment consistently for years before I was sure it was at full employment) then the stuff it is making overseas, which can be made at home, should be made at home.
Blah, blah, blah—competitive advantage. I’ve written the articles on why comparative advantage is irrelevant most of the time. Read them.
Free Trade is Betrayal
Ricardo’s Caveat
Ricardo, who created the doctrine of comparative advantage, thought that free trade did not work under the circumstances the US is now in.
(I am fundraising to determine how much I’ll write this year. If you value my writing, and want more of it, please consider donating.)
Free trade, if you don’t have full employment, is a rounding error. In that case the only things you should be importing are things you need which you literally can’t make yourself. And if you can’t make them because you don’t know how, you should be learning.
Free trade works when countries have full employment and capacity utilization. Only then does it make sense.
Trump wants bilateral trade deals. Country X sells America what America can’t make for itself, and America sells Country X what that country can’t make for itself.
Keynes, by the way, felt that countries should produce almost all of what they needed for their daily consumption, trading only in that which they could not make and luxuries.
Trump is right.
Trump also wants full universal health care. That will free up a lot of money.
Trump wants to tax the financial industry, that will give him a lot of money.
As for his nativist policies, well deporting millions of people while at the same time not allowing the industries which hired them to leave the country will result in increased wages and employment for the working class. Immigration is a great thing, and a net economc positive, when you are running full employment and protectionist policies. If you refuse to have full employment due to deliberate government policy, well, it’s not for the natives.
(See “How the Federal Reserve Crushed Wages for Over 30 Years“.)
As the Rolling Stone article on Trump pointed out, Trump is winning because Trump is telling a lot of truth. Other politicians are beholden to big money interests and cannot possibly work in your interest because they are already bought. (This includes Clinton, but not Sanders).
This is simply a fact.
The policies which work for ordinary people are well known: bilateral trade deals, protection of core industries, ability to feed your own nation, tight labor markets, etc…)
Trade is often a bad thing. It creates a race to the bottom, allowing countries to compete against each other for worst wage, worse treatment of workers and worst pollution. It isn’t always a bad thing, but it is best when managed, not when free, and a country is most securely prosperous when it is primarily reliant on its own domestic market.
Now Trump won’t do all of what should be done. He won’t, for example, radically raise taxes on rich people. But he despises the financial industry and will hammer them, he will put up tariffs, he will redirect domestic demand to domestic industry.
You may not like it, but Trump’s economic plan will work. It will produce a MUCH better economy for his supporters than did Obama or Bush (or even Clinton).
Can he get it thru?
Well, he will be a Republican President, so presumably he will have Republican majorities in House and Senate and Supreme Court.
Let’s say they balk, though. After all, he will be hurting a lot of their owners.
Trump is PRESIDENT.
Most people don’t really understand what that means because Presidents rarely use their full power. Trump controls the NSA and the CIA, for example. They spy on Congress (no, don’t waste my time pretending they don’t). They either know or can find out every little bit of dirt on every member of Congress.
The vast majority of Congress members are corrupt. Again, don’t even try and deny it. They are almost all subject to corruption charges if the President thru the Justice Department, wants to push it. They can vote for his plans, or they can go to prison.
Now, the DOJ has immunized most of Wall Street and the Big Bankers for their crimes leading up to the 2008. Do you believe they have stopped committing crimes?
Right.
Federal Reserve: all members of the Board of the Federal Reserve, except for the Chairman can be fired by the President for cause: not doing their job. The Federal Reserve has two mandates: controlling inflation, and full employment.
Right. They buckle, or they are gone.
Now, forget all this. Watch a Trump rally. Note how he treats hecklers, how he talks of wanting to punch them and how gives license to his supporters.
What do you think will happen to Lawmakers who oppose the great Trump and and go home when they meet Trump supporters?
Context: there are many stories of working class men punching out bosses and so on who insulted FDR.
Trump is running as the fascist version of FDR: He’s the class traitor. He’s a billionaire who knows how the game is played, knows it is crooked, and is going to betray his own to work for the American people.
He will be popular. Once his economic plan works he will be even more popular. He will be idolized by those who support him. The people who hate him most will be deported, powerless or crawling on their belly for his approval (most of the media).
Remember, FDR improved the US economy.
But Hitler and Mussolini, they really improved Germany and Italy’s economies.
This, my friends, is why I kept warning that current elites were setting the conditions for the rise of a man on horseback, fascism or the far left.
People will only tolerate economic failure for so long. After that they will go with anyone, and I do mean anyone, who promises that they will fix it who seems credible and not part of the elite which caused the problem.
Trump will crush Clinton if he is against her, because she is the every essence of an entitled elitist. He will destroy her in ways you cannot even imagine. It will be ugly, really ugly, but his core critique will be the same as his core critique of Jeb—you are part of the group that fucked up America.
And he’s right.
Bernie, on the other hand, is not. Whether he can win against Trump, I do not know, but he is not nearly as vulnerable to the charge that he’s one of the elite, and, by the way, minus the nativism, his economic plan and Trump’s are a lot alike.
A lot.
Sanders plan will work for the same basic reasons Trump’s will.
But people need to stop deceiving themselves. Trump is not a joke, he is not stupid and he is not incompetent, and he will almost certainly be a popular President amongst the people who voted for him, who are, by the way, the part of the population most willing to be violent.
If Trump becomes President, he may be President for a very long time.
Trumponomics – How the Trump Economic Plan Will Work
2016 FEBRUARY 25
by Ian Welsh
Ok folks, let’s say what people keep refusing to say.
Trump’s economic plan makes sense and will work.
Okay?
What Trump wants to do is to use tariffs to return production to the United States. He has mentioned a 35% tariff on cars produced in Mexico, for example.
If a country is running a trade deficit it has more demand than it is filling domestically. If it has unused capacity and less than full employment (both are true in the US, I would want to see the US running under 2% unemployment consistently for years before I was sure it was at full employment) then the stuff it is making overseas, which can be made at home, should be made at home.
Blah, blah, blah—competitive advantage. I’ve written the articles on why comparative advantage is irrelevant most of the time. Read them.
Free Trade is Betrayal
Ricardo’s Caveat
Ricardo, who created the doctrine of comparative advantage, thought that free trade did not work under the circumstances the US is now in.
(I am fundraising to determine how much I’ll write this year. If you value my writing, and want more of it, please consider donating.)
Free trade, if you don’t have full employment, is a rounding error. In that case the only things you should be importing are things you need which you literally can’t make yourself. And if you can’t make them because you don’t know how, you should be learning.
Free trade works when countries have full employment and capacity utilization. Only then does it make sense.
Trump wants bilateral trade deals. Country X sells America what America can’t make for itself, and America sells Country X what that country can’t make for itself.
Keynes, by the way, felt that countries should produce almost all of what they needed for their daily consumption, trading only in that which they could not make and luxuries.
Trump is right.
Trump also wants full universal health care. That will free up a lot of money.
Trump wants to tax the financial industry, that will give him a lot of money.
As for his nativist policies, well deporting millions of people while at the same time not allowing the industries which hired them to leave the country will result in increased wages and employment for the working class. Immigration is a great thing, and a net economc positive, when you are running full employment and protectionist policies. If you refuse to have full employment due to deliberate government policy, well, it’s not for the natives.
(See “How the Federal Reserve Crushed Wages for Over 30 Years“.)
As the Rolling Stone article on Trump pointed out, Trump is winning because Trump is telling a lot of truth. Other politicians are beholden to big money interests and cannot possibly work in your interest because they are already bought. (This includes Clinton, but not Sanders).
This is simply a fact.
The policies which work for ordinary people are well known: bilateral trade deals, protection of core industries, ability to feed your own nation, tight labor markets, etc…)
Trade is often a bad thing. It creates a race to the bottom, allowing countries to compete against each other for worst wage, worse treatment of workers and worst pollution. It isn’t always a bad thing, but it is best when managed, not when free, and a country is most securely prosperous when it is primarily reliant on its own domestic market.
Now Trump won’t do all of what should be done. He won’t, for example, radically raise taxes on rich people. But he despises the financial industry and will hammer them, he will put up tariffs, he will redirect domestic demand to domestic industry.
You may not like it, but Trump’s economic plan will work. It will produce a MUCH better economy for his supporters than did Obama or Bush (or even Clinton).
Can he get it thru?
Well, he will be a Republican President, so presumably he will have Republican majorities in House and Senate and Supreme Court.
Let’s say they balk, though. After all, he will be hurting a lot of their owners.
Trump is PRESIDENT.
Most people don’t really understand what that means because Presidents rarely use their full power. Trump controls the NSA and the CIA, for example. They spy on Congress (no, don’t waste my time pretending they don’t). They either know or can find out every little bit of dirt on every member of Congress.
The vast majority of Congress members are corrupt. Again, don’t even try and deny it. They are almost all subject to corruption charges if the President thru the Justice Department, wants to push it. They can vote for his plans, or they can go to prison.
Now, the DOJ has immunized most of Wall Street and the Big Bankers for their crimes leading up to the 2008. Do you believe they have stopped committing crimes?
Right.
Federal Reserve: all members of the Board of the Federal Reserve, except for the Chairman can be fired by the President for cause: not doing their job. The Federal Reserve has two mandates: controlling inflation, and full employment.
Right. They buckle, or they are gone.
Now, forget all this. Watch a Trump rally. Note how he treats hecklers, how he talks of wanting to punch them and how gives license to his supporters.
What do you think will happen to Lawmakers who oppose the great Trump and and go home when they meet Trump supporters?
Context: there are many stories of working class men punching out bosses and so on who insulted FDR.
Trump is running as the fascist version of FDR: He’s the class traitor. He’s a billionaire who knows how the game is played, knows it is crooked, and is going to betray his own to work for the American people.
He will be popular. Once his economic plan works he will be even more popular. He will be idolized by those who support him. The people who hate him most will be deported, powerless or crawling on their belly for his approval (most of the media).
Remember, FDR improved the US economy.
But Hitler and Mussolini, they really improved Germany and Italy’s economies.
This, my friends, is why I kept warning that current elites were setting the conditions for the rise of a man on horseback, fascism or the far left.
People will only tolerate economic failure for so long. After that they will go with anyone, and I do mean anyone, who promises that they will fix it who seems credible and not part of the elite which caused the problem.
Trump will crush Clinton if he is against her, because she is the every essence of an entitled elitist. He will destroy her in ways you cannot even imagine. It will be ugly, really ugly, but his core critique will be the same as his core critique of Jeb—you are part of the group that fucked up America.
And he’s right.
Bernie, on the other hand, is not. Whether he can win against Trump, I do not know, but he is not nearly as vulnerable to the charge that he’s one of the elite, and, by the way, minus the nativism, his economic plan and Trump’s are a lot alike.
A lot.
Sanders plan will work for the same basic reasons Trump’s will.
But people need to stop deceiving themselves. Trump is not a joke, he is not stupid and he is not incompetent, and he will almost certainly be a popular President amongst the people who voted for him, who are, by the way, the part of the population most willing to be violent.
If Trump becomes President, he may be President for a very long time.
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Instead of Clinton or Sanders trying to garner black or Latino votes, how about just the American people's vote. Dems and the MSM love to use the race card from the beginning.
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#makedonalddrumpfagain
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I was laughing so hard at that I almost had a heart attack.
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This literally might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. Can say for sure yet, but it's definitely top 5.
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One of the deadspin comments suggested an "I'm too Drumkf to fuck" version of the hat.
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Hahahahahahaha
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The Drumpfinator Chrome extension is one of the greatest things in the history of the Internet. Get it. Get it now.
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While Trump is a whack job, Cruz is the biggest fucking lying, manipulative sack of shit in the race based on what he just said on CNN
It is sad and sickening to see Cruz, and Rubio for that matter, celebrating their underperformance as victories
It is sad and sickening to see Cruz, and Rubio for that matter, celebrating their underperformance as victories
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Rubio might quit and endorse Cruz in hope to have a job should Cruz become president.
Either way, this hole primary election process becomes more and more of a joke, and not a good one.
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Thank you Captain Obvious.
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