What's New with the Foo?

Thruth said:
He wears Alden long wings i believe
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Yes, the "one shoe" - he has five or more pairs of Alden longwings, plus a more recent addition to his shoe rotation in the form of a pair of bespoke Cleverley balmorals.
 
Journeyman said:
I'm no psychoanalyst, but I can't help but feel that Matt Fan would actually be better off if he didn't go the bespoke route and if he, instead, settled for off-the-rack clothes and shoes.

After all, it seems that he was happy with his "one shoe" Alden wingtip wardrobe for some years.

One of the problems with going bespoke is that, although it can often take time to get a really ideal result (due to a small element of trial and error and a series of improvements as you commission more), it costs a lot of money. Because it costs a lot of money, people often have very high expectations, which is entirely understandable. As a consequence, those two things - high expectations due to high cost, and the inevitable small errors and process of improvement - can clash. In Matt Fan's case, they have often clashed spectacularly.

I understand why Matt Fan seeks out bespoke items. Not only does it presumably make it easier to find clothes that fit him, as people who are small or large/tall often find it difficult to get decent off-the-rack stuff that fits well, but it also gives him access to a wide choice of materials and colours and, for someone who exhibits obsessive-compulsive tendencies, that's a great attraction.

However, the advantage of buying off-the-rack clothing is that what you see, is what you get. If it's slightly imperfect, you know it and you can decide whether you're fine with that. Also, you don't expect off-the-rack clothing to be absolutely perfect as it's made to fit thousands of people approximately, rather than being made to fit you precisely.

I have a friend who is rather like Matt Fan. He will spend forty-five minutes in a shop trying on a jacket. If he is wearing jeans and a polo shirt, he will deliberately go back home and change into a business shirt and trousers and go back to the shop to see how the jacket will look with his business clothes, instead of only being able to compare it to his casual clothes. He will obsessively consider how it will fit in with other items in his wardrobe and how he will use it. He has tried commissioning a few made-to-order items and it has ended badly each time. Even though the alleged defaults are not obvious to me or to others, he will complain that the fit is a bit off - it's too tight or too loose - or, if a shirt, that the collar is too large or that the collar points are too long. In a strange way, I think that the very nature of bespoke or MTO clothing, and his high expectations for it, set his MTO attempts up to fail as the items, at least on the first attempt, will never be able to live up to his expectations.

However, with off-the-rack clothing, even though he obsesses over it and spends a long time considering it, once he decides to buy it, he's happy with it. That is, I think, because he knows precisely what he's getting and, in that period when he's obsessing over it and trying it on in the shop with different shirts and so on, he's able to identify anything that he might not quite like and decide whether he can live with those things or not. He's able to live with OTR clothing being a little bit less than perfect - perhaps he'd prefer a slightly different weight, or a slightly different weave, or perhaps the lapels could be very slightly wider - because he hasn't commissioned it to be made for him and thus he doesn't expect it to be perfect.

Maybe Matt Fan should go back to OTR clothes and accessories and give bespoke a miss. He'll quite possibly be happier and more relaxed.
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According to Foo, the answer to number of tries is 11.


But this is a very good post.
 
Journeyman said:
Yes, the "one shoe" - he has five or more pairs of Alden longwings, plus a more recent addition to his shoe rotation in the form of a pair of bespoke Cleverley balmorals.
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Wait, all he wears are Alden Longwings and the one pair of Cleverleys?
 
Journeyman said:
I'm no psychoanalyst, but I can't help but feel that Matt Fan would actually be better off if he didn't go the bespoke route and if he, instead, settled for off-the-rack clothes and shoes.

After all, it seems that he was happy with his "one shoe" Alden wingtip wardrobe for some years.

One of the problems with going bespoke is that, although it can often take time to get a really ideal result (due to a small element of trial and error and a series of improvements as you commission more), it costs a lot of money. Because it costs a lot of money, people often have very high expectations, which is entirely understandable. As a consequence, those two things - high expectations due to high cost, and the inevitable small errors and process of improvement - can clash. In Matt Fan's case, they have often clashed spectacularly.

I understand why Matt Fan seeks out bespoke items. Not only does it presumably make it easier to find clothes that fit him, as people who are small or large/tall often find it difficult to get decent off-the-rack stuff that fits well, but it also gives him access to a wide choice of materials and colours and, for someone who exhibits obsessive-compulsive tendencies, that's a great attraction.

However, the advantage of buying off-the-rack clothing is that what you see, is what you get. If it's slightly imperfect, you know it and you can decide whether you're fine with that. Also, you don't expect off-the-rack clothing to be absolutely perfect as it's made to fit thousands of people approximately, rather than being made to fit you precisely.

I have a friend who is rather like Matt Fan. He will spend forty-five minutes in a shop trying on a jacket. If he is wearing jeans and a polo shirt, he will deliberately go back home and change into a business shirt and trousers and go back to the shop to see how the jacket will look with his business clothes, instead of only being able to compare it to his casual clothes. He will obsessively consider how it will fit in with other items in his wardrobe and how he will use it. He has tried commissioning a few made-to-order items and it has ended badly each time. Even though the alleged defaults are not obvious to me or to others, he will complain that the fit is a bit off - it's too tight or too loose - or, if a shirt, that the collar is too large or that the collar points are too long. In a strange way, I think that the very nature of bespoke or MTO clothing, and his high expectations for it, set his MTO attempts up to fail as the items, at least on the first attempt, will never be able to live up to his expectations.

However, with off-the-rack clothing, even though he obsesses over it and spends a long time considering it, once he decides to buy it, he's happy with it. That is, I think, because he knows precisely what he's getting and, in that period when he's obsessing over it and trying it on in the shop with different shirts and so on, he's able to identify anything that he might not quite like and decide whether he can live with those things or not. He's able to live with OTR clothing being a little bit less than perfect - perhaps he'd prefer a slightly different weight, or a slightly different weave, or perhaps the lapels could be very slightly wider - because he hasn't commissioned it to be made for him and thus he doesn't expect it to be perfect.

Maybe Matt Fan should go back to OTR clothes and accessories and give bespoke a miss. He'll quite possibly be happier and more relaxed.
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He just should of went to Jimmy Au in LA.
 
doghouse said:
Wait, all he wears are Alden Longwings and the one pair of Cleverleys?
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yes, he has the famous oneshoe. despite millimetre precision in suits, off the rack American shoes seem fine to him although i was unaware of the Cleverley's. Journeyman Journeyman , was Foo pleased with the Cleverley's?
 
Maybe Matt Fan should go back to OTR clothes and accessories and give bespoke a miss. He'll quite possibly be happier and more relaxed.[/QUOTE]
I think he's rather like Willa Frank in the short story Sorry Fugu.
 
MFDoom said:
Maybe Matt Fan should go back to OTR clothes and accessories and give bespoke a miss. He'll quite possibly be happier and more relaxed.
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I think he's rather like Willa Frank in the short story Sorry Fugu.[/QUOTE]

but then who is his arbiter of taste? Mariano and/or Luca? might make sense.
 
I think that in Foo's world, no one ever measures up. He sets this gilded era Cary Grant standard that never existed, because he hasn't really lived enough to see life in its messy glory. Every time he opens his mouth, each word is wrapped in this weird sterile protective bubble of fantasy. I fear for his children, that is - if he ever actually exchanges bodily fluids with a female. Can you imaging him ordering bespoke diapers? Or expecting his children to poop in a certain shade of green because it goes with his breast wallet.

This, I might add, is a nice shielding mechanism from the humbling reality of his own situation. He's too busy pointing out everyone else's shortcomings to look inwards at his inability to pass the bar. And we all know that SF is full of lawyerz.
 
With most people there's an afterglow. With Foo it would be critical analysis.

Can you imagine him at a Festivus gathering? The Airing of Grievances would never end!
 
MFDoom said:
I think that in Foo's world, no one ever measures up. He sets this gilded era Cary Grant standard that never existed, because he hasn't really lived enough to see life in its messy glory. Every time he opens his mouth, each word is wrapped in this weird sterile protective bubble of fantasy. I fear for his children, that is - if he ever actually exchanges bodily fluids with a female. Can you imaging him ordering bespoke diapers? Or expecting his children to poop in a certain shade of green because it goes with his breast wallet.

This, I might add, is a nice shielding mechanism from the humbling reality of his own situation. He's too busy pointing out everyone else's shortcomings to look inwards at his inability to pass the bar. And we all know that SF is full of lawyerz.
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Monkeyface said:
I don't think Foo orders MTO shoes, walker. It's all bespoke for him, which arguably, should fit better than RTW/MTO.
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you have a source?

well, I don't follow foo as it is a waste of time, like most of the other clowns over at sf. Manton, dieworkwear, unbel, emptym etc. you get the idea?

the only foray into bespoke I'm personally aware of was a pair of cleverleys. a trainwreck as expected(there is its own thread, iirc). foo is clueless about footwear. he was only interested in the prestige of the brand. tbh, if I want to impress, I try to get on Scheers' list. everything else is too trivial.

out of my head, from the time this little bastard was all over the place and you could hardly avoid him: before the Cleverleys his shoe collection consisted of several timberland docksides for travelling. a pair of JL RTW for his tux and the "one shoe" Alden longwing on the plaza last with storm welt. the ideal pairing for eyetalian bespoke, not?
 
He's a very entertaining trainwreck, but if it weren't for for his persistent attempts to make threads about himself, he'd go largely unnoticed. People recognise that now, as can be seen from him being asked to make his own thread about gloves as soon as posts, lest he'd ruin the French tailoring thread. He's tried to start shit in several other threads as well in a bad attempt to troll over the past few months, but has mostly failed. Perhaps another thing to add to the list?
 
I like this summary a lot. it nails it.

Monkeyface said:
He's a very entertaining trainwreck, but if it weren't for for his persistent attempts to make threads about himself, he'd go largely unnoticed. People recognise that now, as can be seen from him being asked to make his own thread about gloves as soon as posts, lest he'd ruin the French tailoring thread. He's tried to start shit in several other threads as well in a bad attempt to troll over the past few months, but has mostly failed. Perhaps another thing to add to the list?
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Thruth said:
Journeyman Journeyman , was Foo pleased with the Cleverley's?
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Unsurprisingly, no, he wasn't.

He was obsessed with the positioning of the seam, as he requested that they not put the seam at the back and so they put the seam on the inner side of the ankle opening, instead.

After carrying on about it for quite a while, I think that he finally decided that it wasn't that bad after all and he settled down and accepted it.
 
Thruth said:
Nice one. Foo is such a shitbag, whiny bitch complainer. He needs to be put in his place like that
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In retrospect I should have just made some allusion to the fact that all of my purchases don't end in abject failure like his.
 
The most grueling part was simultaneously admiring and bitching about the expensive high quality shoe box and shoe horn that came with his shoes.

Pathetic Rubinacci delivers bespoke on plastic hangers, and Foo's cool with this.
 
doghouse said:
In retrospect I should have just made some allusion to the fact that all of my purchases don't end in abject failure like his.
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or "upon passing the bar on my first attempt i decided to race yachts competitively as i knew i could come back to practicing law whenever i wanted"
 
Thruth said:
or "upon passing the bar on my first attempt i decided to race yachts competitively as i knew i could come back to practicing law whenever i wanted"
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I'm going to consult you for witty responses from now on.
 
Two things:

1) you could break rocks off his chin.
2) Smile, ffs,
 
I wish someone had the video clip of when he was on the Today show (or whatever it was) with the Esquire (or GQ?) best dressed contestants. He cracked an awkward smile for half a second, presumably under duress.
 
Haven't read past the first page but the first sentence was hilarious:

The (new) wife is (again) in the shower.

Not "my wife" but "the wife" as if she were just another (disposable) Lucanacci suit, the parenthesis also befitting a sterile description. No one wants to know when she's showering or they just got out of bed, this millennial facebook tweet generation is beyond repair.
 
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