A Futile and Stupid Gesture: The History of the First Trump Presidency & Q-Anon

You don't think honoring those who died trying to stop hatred should be acknowledged by our Tweeter in Chief?

But mostly it's quite obvious that anyone with rudimentary math skills will be more worried about getting killed by a crazy white or black dude than a Muslim terrorist. Even if you choose not to believe it.

There's lots of murders in the USA daily, this happened to be done by a bi-polar psychotic who was not part of a wider terrorist cell. A tragedy. It will be interesting if the two Muslim lady angle turns out to be a left wing media ruse.

As tragic as it is, this is just, as you state another crazy white guy.

You're playing statistics now. Do we accept increasing Islamic terrorism because we still, at this stage, have more chance of being killed in a car crash? When do we take action? When the deaths from Islamic terrorism are higher than the number of deaths on the roads yearly?
 
Like we're going to believe an effete cuck who married a barren grandmother is full of vigour, vitality and virility?

One of these things is not like the other (and no, it's not the gay dude or the Muslim woman):

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You don't think honoring those who died trying to stop hatred should be acknowledged by our Tweeter in Chief?

But mostly it's quite obvious that anyone with rudimentary math skills will be more worried about getting killed by a crazy white or black dude than a Muslim terrorist. Even if you choose not to believe it.

Not if you count numbers globally. Whole lotta dead innocents in Iraq and Syria.

But ya, we have a new boogie man since Russia isn't panning out.
 
One of these things is not like the other (and no, it's not the gay dude or the Muslim woman):

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The media here in Europe are desperate to portray her as anything other than a barren 64 year old with leathery skin at the end of her career. It's a metaphor for the future of the EU project. How desperate could they be to go down this path? Quite desperate methinks. Doesn't say much about the French electorate either.

He participates in 4chan pranks like the shia lebouf flag.

Thanks. I didn't know that.
 
You're playing statistics now. Do we accept increasing Islamic terrorism because we still, at this stage, have more chance of being killed in a car crash? When do we take action? When the deaths from Islamic terrorism are higher than the number of deaths on the roads yearly?

I'm not playing statistics, I'm pointing out the misplaced focus. Yes, car crash deaths are more important to work on because they kill more people. This isn't remotely controversial. If you are dead, you're dead, how you got there isn't really important to you anymore. For the living, reducing ways we get killed is of utmost importance. Reducing crazy white people killing people is a much bigger priority than whether Ahmed immigrated here. Reducing gang banger violence as well.

Muslim terrorists in the U.S. shouldn't even warrant a byline given its relative lack of importance to the myriad of ways in which we are fucked up right now.

Edit: The death of critical thinking skills probably the foremost.
 
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I'm not playing statistics, I'm pointing out the misplaced focus. Yes, car crash deaths are more important to work on because they kill more people. This isn't remotely controversial. If you are dead, you're dead, how you got there isn't really important to you anymore. For the living, reducing ways we get killed is of utmost importance. Reducing crazy white people killing people is a much bigger priority than whether Ahmed immigrated here. Reducing gang banger violence as well.

Muslim terrorists in the U.S. shouldn't even warrant a byline given its relative lack of importance to the myriad of ways in which we are fucked up right now.

Car crashes do not pose an existential threat to your culture. Sharia compliance does. It also will bring slavery back into the USA. This time it will be more egalitarian: white, blacks, those of Chinese and Japanese extraction, native Americans, Mexicans, it will be a most excellent slavery, the leftists will love it!

Ahmed emigrating to America poses a risk. One of the countries that Trump had on his temporary ban was Libya. This is the country that the Manchester bomber's parents came from. His whole family - other than his nuclear scientist mother - are pretty toxic by all accounts in the MSM which means they are pretty bad. I don't know whether he held duel nationality, very little on that in the MSM.

At this stage, it seems rather ridiculous to have a love in with the Islamic terrorist world, just because your population in America hasn't yet hit critical mass.
 
Yes, it does. Sharia compliance is the end of the USA in it's current form. At the very basic level, before we get into honour killings, killing the kaffur, women's rights ended, we have the re-establishment of prohibition.

Sorry, I should say: You have the re-establishment of prohibition.
 
The media here in Europe are desperate to portray her as anything other than a barren 64 year old with leathery skin at the end of her career. It's a metaphor for the future of the EU project. How desperate could they be to go down this path? Quite desperate methinks. Doesn't say much about the French electorate either.

We should also add, as my wife has just pointed out, why has this mutton dressed as lamb chosen to wear a mini-skirt when she is well passed her prime and all the other ladies are dressed to impress.
 
Muslim terrorists in the U.S. shouldn't even warrant a byline given its relative lack of importance to the myriad of ways in which we are fucked up right now.

While I disagree, by your logic Russia shouldn't warrant a byline either. But that hasn't stopped you from posting the twitters about it over and over.

Bit of selective reasoning, if you ask me.
 
Reducing crazy white people killing people is a much bigger priority than whether Ahmed immigrated here. Reducing gang banger violence as well.

What about reducing black people killing white people? Why isn't that a priority? It's because waxing hard about white males is socially acceptable.

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Yes, it does. Sharia compliance is the end of the USA in it's current form. At the very basic level, before we get into honour killings, killing the kaffur, women's rights ended, we have the re-establishment of prohibition.

Sorry, I should say: You have the re-establishment of prohibition.

Sharia compliance is not a threat because it not going to happen.

You are free to lay out the mechanism by which you think it is possible, including how many Muslims worldwide you think are in favor of sharia, how many it would take to get a critical mass in the U.S., the improbable advances in transportation technology that would even get that many imaginary people here (I hope it's Star Trek like transporters) and why an increasingly secularized populace would be accepting of any prohibition when it's accelerating in completely the opposite direction as we speak.
 
https://harpers.org/archive/2017/06/security-breach/?single=1

Security Breach
Trump’s tussle with the bureaucratic state
By Michael J. Glennon

Forty years ago, when I worked as legal counsel for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, we occasionally pulled all-nighters reconciling the House and Senate versions of a bill. Inevitably, we haggled over the wording, each side trying to preserve the language that would please our respective bosses. One evening, as we were toiling over a bill that contained provisions on foreign aid, human rights, and arms sales of keen interest to the State Department and the Pentagon, I set off through the warrenlike offices of the Rayburn Building in search of coffee. Opening the wrong door, I was surprised to find a State Department lawyer sitting at a desk, in front of a typewriter. He should have been at home, in bed, but here he was, typing away, writing language that he was quietly slipping to the House staffers, who presented it as their own.

Back then — even then — the influence of national security bureaucrats pervaded the lawmaking process. They drafted legislation that members of Congress introduced. They endorsed or opposed measures at hearings and markups. They presented views to conference committees that were laid out next to the House and Senate positions. They lobbied tirelessly, waiting outside the chambers during floor debates, ready with arguments and the data to back them up, pushing to inscribe their positions into law.

Today the influence of the bureaucrats is even more profound. A de facto directorate of several hundred managers sitting atop dozens of military, diplomatic, intelligence, and law enforcement agencies, from the Department of Homeland Security to the National Reconnaissance Office, has come to dominate national security policy, displacing the authority not only of Congress but of the courts and the presidency as well. The precise sizes of the agencies’ budgets and workforces are classified in many cases, but the numbers are indisputably enormous — a total annual outlay of around $1 trillion, and employees numbering in the millions.

The growth of this security edifice was mostly unplanned and unintended. In an attempt to contain the Soviet threat and end the internecine warfare among the U.S. armed services after World War II, President Harry S. Truman centralized national security decision-making.With his support, Congress created the modern Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, and the National Security Council. Truman established the National Security Agency personally, through a secret order.

Liberals in Congress generally supported Truman’s initiatives, but conservatives feared that newly concentrated security authority posed a threat to democratic institutions and civilian control of the military. They invoked the specter of a “police state” run by “power-grabbing bureaucrats.” Truman himself, according to his adviser Clark Clifford, was “very strongly anti-FBI.” Nevertheless, the president believed that his new institutions were the best way to address security threats while safeguarding individual and political freedoms.

Truman’s hope proved misplaced. As one administration followed another, democratic accountability diminished, triggering an enormous transfer of power from elected officials to bureaucrats. Yet it was necessary to maintain the illusion that national security was controlled by our constitutionally established democratic institutions. To do otherwise would be to undermine the legitimacy both of those institutions and of the security bureaucracy itself.

Successive presidents therefore sought to project an image of unity between themselves and the security directorate, despite often divergent agendas. Barack Obama was a case in point. When the Pentagon advocated a troop surge in Afghanistan, Obama kept his disagreement largely out of the public eye. When NSA mass surveillance became a public embarrassment, Obama stuck with the organization. When his director of national intelligence, James Clapper, lied about it to Congress, Obama did nothing. And when the Senate Intelligence Committee’s torture report sparked calls to punish the torturers and their bosses, Obama came to their defense. No one was prosecuted.

Despite Obama’s gestures toward harmony, it became increasingly difficult to believe that the three constitutionally established branches of government actually controlled U.S. security policy. After reports emerged that the NSA had eavesdropped on the cell phone conversations of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, for example, Obama’s national security adviser claimed the president knew nothing about it; some of these programs, Secretary of State John Kerry confessed, were on “automatic pilot.” The courts, for their part, used ringing rule-of-law rhetoric in high-profile detention cases, but in lower-profile disputes about national security, judges were noticeably less impassioned, often dismissing challenges to unlawful war-making, torture, surveillance, and kidnapping on dubious jurisdictional grounds. And Congress’s role in defining national security became more and more ceremonial. It all but abandoned its share of the war power, responded largely cosmetically to warrantless NSA surveillance by enacting the USA Freedom Act, and substituted hindsight for oversight when it came to black-site prisons and torture.

A few counterexamples do exist. Obama’s decision to go after Osama bin Laden suggested strong presidential involvement. Such actions were essential to preserving the familiar illusion of democratic control. But after Candidate Obama had forcefully and eloquently promised fundamental change, President Obama’s remarkable continuation of numerous Bush-era national security policies — warrantless mass surveillance, drone strikes, state-secrets claims, torturer immunity — ultimately took its toll. By the time Donald Trump appeared on the scene, the veneer of harmony had worn thin, exposing the bureaucracy’s dominance.



Over the course of President Trump’s short tenure, an unprecedented, seismic split between the Oval Office and the security directorate has taken place. The cracks began to show as early as the campaign, when Trump criticized the military’s top brass. The war against the Islamic State, he claimed, was being waged by generals who had been “reduced to rubble” and knew less about the militant group than he did. Trump then turned on the intelligence community, insisting that the security managers had “no idea” who was behind the hacking of Democratic emails and that it was “ridiculous” to think Russia had intervened in the election on his behalf. “These are the same people,” the Trump team said in a statement, “that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” He proceeded to accuse them of leaking compromising information about him, comparing the practice to Nazi Germany.

Trump’s ultimate repudiation of the CIA was in one way the most far-reaching: scrapping the President’s Daily Brief. “I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years,” he explained. The early-morning briefing from the CIA had long been more than a mere secret-news-of-the-world update: It was an agenda-setting meeting during which the agency laid out its framework for thinking about international developments and which sparked protracted discussion among White House participants. That worldview, internationalist in nature and emphasizing an activist international role at the expense of domestic priorities, extended well beyond the briefing. I observed that dynamic many times in closed-door briefings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The briefers would leave, but their unspoken assumptions remained in the air.

The security directorate did not take these attacks lying down. Intelligence officials allegedly withheld sensitive information from Trump (a charge the White House and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence deny) and refused to grant a security clearance to one of his NSC officials who had reportedly been critical of the CIA. But the bureaucracy’s retaliatory weapon of choice was the leak — particularly on the explosive question of preelection communication between Trump’s staff and the Russian government. Four current and former U.S. officials told the New York Times that Trump’s campaign had had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. And according to the Washington Post, nine senior intelligence sources from multiple agencies disclosed that Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had spoken with the Russian ambassador. Intercepted communications, the Post said, indicated that the two had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia, contradicting what Flynn had previously told the FBI. Later, when Trump accused Obama of ordering the tapping of his own phones, word leaked that James Comey, the FBI director, had asked the Justice Department to publicly reject Trump’s assertion.

The rift has created a crisis of legitimacy for both sides. When the president disparages the knowledge and expertise of the intelligence community, he casts doubt on the soundness of his own national security decisions and undermines his own authority. Trump has placed himself in a double bind: If he relies on the intelligence community’s purportedly erroneous analysis, how can he expect his decisions to be taken seriously? And if he rejects that same analysis, where else can he turn for information on North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, Iran’s compliance with the nuclear deal, China’s cyber intrusions? Could Sunday-morning talk shows have substituted for the CIA’s slideshow revealing Soviet missiles in Cuba?

The break with Trump also hamstrings the intelligence community itself. If Trump demeans its expertise and severs its connection to U.S. elected officials, how can it expect deference to its judgments or decisions? Unlike the political branches of the government, the intelligence agencies have no freestanding bona fides. Their credibility derives from the public’s belief that they are directed and controlled by officials the public elects. If even this tenuous connection to electoral democracy is broken, their views become a mere second opinion, afloat in a miasma of tweets, blog posts, and fake news. The chief executive and the intelligence community thus face the same dilemma: How can they replenish the legitimacy depleted by their rift — when the legitimacy of each depends on that of the other?

Trump cannot bolster his credibility by crushing his tormentors, which would be his normal instinct, for the simple reason that he needs them: clandestinely collected information and covert operations sometimes are essential to safeguarding the nation’s security. A more sensible strategy for Trump would be to simply declare victory — to point to ostensible “reforms” that rehabilitate the intelligence community and enable its analysts to provide reliable, unpoliticized information. The object would be both to dampen opposition within their ranks and to revive the appearance of operational harmony. Among the security directorate’s multiple informal, shape-shifting, agency-spanning networks, Trump would have no problem finding pockets of supporters with axes to grind, careerists willing to circumvent traditional chains of command to collaborate with the White House. He could play off faction against faction and agency against agency in a strategy of divide and conquer.

In the face of such turmoil, former acting CIA director Michael Morell has written, morale would deteriorate, and officers would “vote with their feet,” potentially leaving by the hundreds. Trump’s press secretary, Sean Spicer, all but suggested as much when opposition emerged within the State Department to the president’s ban on refugees and immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries. “These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” he asked reporters. “They should either get with the program or they can go.” Spicer later declined to reject the idea that a “deep state” was actively working to undermine Trump, arguing that “there are people burrowed into that government” who had a hostile agenda.

For his burrowed-in adversaries, combating Trump with leaks is, at best, a short-term tactic for buttressing their organizations’ authority. Leaks — such as the recent release of the CIA’s cyberwar tool kit by WikiLeaks — connote indiscipline, and thus provide fodder for the argument that a disorderly intelligence community needs a thorough housecleaning. Moreover, as Trump pointed out, the leaks are felonies (and they come from the same organizations whose leaders once called for Edward Snowden’s head). Increasingly fragmented and cut off from the power they enjoyed by virtue of their closeness to the president, these agencies have one long-term alternative if they are to retain public deference in the face of a continuing Trump onslaught. They must, for the first time, establish their right to act apart from — and at odds with — the elected president who remains their nominal boss. To do so requires publicly siding with supporters on the Hill, in the media, and within the electorate. Closed-door briefings, public testimony, and speeches and op-eds by former officials can all signal allegiance and generate political clout. To all appearances, the strategy seems to be working.



Many never-Trumpers in both parties now regard the security bureaucracy as their last, best hope. Following the Washington Post’s disclosure on December 9 that the CIA believed Russia had intervened in the election to help Trump, the agency overnight became the great darling of many Trump critics. They urged it to share its secrets with the Electoral College with the goal of preventing the president-elect from taking office. Trump was “being really dumb” by feuding with the CIA, according to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. “You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.” Francis Fukuyama hoped that “America’s enormous bureaucracy” would restrain Trump. Bill Kristol proclaimed he would “prefer the deep state to the Trump state.” And The New Yorker assured readers that the intelligence community’s managers were likely to challenge Trump before Congress, which was as it should be: “This is just the sort of thing we want to see happening” as part of “the fabled ‘checks and balances’ in the U.S. system.”

Clearly the public has a right to know whether a president is telling the truth if he claims that his predecessor ordered that he be illegally wiretapped. The public also has a right to know whether the president’s staff illegally coordinated with a foreign government during the election campaign or lied to the FBI about foreign contacts. But consider the price of victory if the security directorate were somehow to establish itself as a check on those presidential policies — or officials — that it happened to dislike. To formally charge the bureaucracy with providing a check on the president, Congress, or the courts would represent an entirely new form of government, a system in which institutionalized bureaucratic autocracy displaces democratic accountability. What standing would Trump’s critics have to object to bureaucratic supremacy should an enlightened president come along, in some brighter time, and seek to free them from the “polar night of icy darkness” that Max Weber warned is bureaucracy’s inevitable end point? Where then would they turn, having consecrated the security directorate as their final guardian?

As a creature of the people’s elected institutions, the bureaucracy was never intended to be a coequal of Congress, the courts, and the president. Bureaucracy doesn’t even appear in the constitutional design that emerged from Philadelphia in 1787. Under the Constitution, power is delegated to the intelligence bureaucracy, not by it. Like other departments and agencies, an intelligence organization can exercise only those powers given to it by its constitutionally established creators. Those who would counter the illiberalism of Trump with the illiberalism of unfettered bureaucrats would do well to contemplate the precedent their victory would set.

This perilous precedent would be the least of it, however, should the bureaucracy emerge triumphant. American history is not silent about the proclivities of unchecked security forces, a short list of which includes the Palmer Raids, the FBI’s blackmailing of civil rights leaders, Army surveillance of the antiwar movement, the NSA’s watch lists, and the CIA’s waterboarding. No one passingly familiar with this record of abuse and misconduct could seriously contemplate entrusting these agencies with responsibility for preserving the nation’s civil and political liberty. Without constitutional accountability, what reason is there to believe that they would not quickly revert to their old ways, particularly should a national emergency provide plausible justification? Who would trust the authors of past episodes of repression as a reliable safeguard against future repression?

Trump has gotten where he is by defying experts and attacking elites. The security managers have gotten where they are by obeying authority, not questioning it. It’s possible that bureaucracy’s red tape will further entangle the president or that the scent of despotism will further bestir the bureaucracy. The more likely scenario, however, is darker. Some of Trump’s antagonists blithely assume that the security bureaucracy will fight him to the death, but it has never faced the raw hostility of an all-out frontal assault from the White House. If the president maintains his attack, splintered and demoralized factions within the bureaucracy could actually support — not oppose — many potential Trump initiatives, such as stepped-up drone strikes, cyberattacks, covert action, immigration bans, and mass surveillance. Security managers tend to back policies they see as ratcheting up levels of protection; that’s why such programs are more easily expanded than scaled back. That deep-seated propensity will play into Trump’s hands, so that if and when he finally does declare victory, a revamped security directorate could emerge more menacing than ever, with him its devoted new ally. Trump has already restored the CIA’s authority to conduct drone strikes, dropped plans for a far-ranging White House review of the intelligence community, and broadened Pentagon authority over military operations.

Undoubtedly, some officials will leave when faced with Trump’s sticks. But plenty, I suspect, will overcome their qualms, accept Trump’s carrots, and do his bidding. I have witnessed this dynamic firsthand. In 1978, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was interested in what steps American law enforcement and counterintelligence officials were taking (or not taking) to stop the intelligence services of repressive “allies,” such as Pinochet’s Chile, the shah’s Iran, and Marcos’s Philippines, from harassing, surveilling, and intimidating opponents within the United States. In Langley, Fort Meade, and elsewhere, my colleagues and I took the (still classified) statements of dozens of security officials. Some of them described conduct they found deeply repugnant. But we encountered no one who had objected, and identified no official who had resigned in disagreement. Everyone stayed.
 
that fucking idiot trump was worried about having his conversations scooped up by the nsa. what a moron.

Illegal Spying Under Obama by Publius Tacitus


It is fascinating to observe the media contortions as they go to extreme lengths to ignore profound and important news. I am referring specifically to the revelations that the National Security Agency, under the stewardship of Barack Obama, was illegally spying on Americans. Here's the story:

A newly released court opinion from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) shows that for years the NSA improperly and perhaps illegally surveilled Americans. The court order triggered the surprise announcement two weeks ago that the agency would be severely scaling back its domestic surveillance and destroying previously collected data on Americans.

Thursday, the Department of Justice released the 99-page court opinion from last month that ordered the National Security Agency to delete much of its surveillance on American people, which was collected improperly and in potential violation of the Fourth Amendment. The DOJ released the opinion as part of a 2015 plan to be more transparent.

The NSA collected data about Americans if they even mentioned a foreign target.


The opinion is a rebuke of many of the NSA's surveillance collection practices under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the powers of which were expanded under the US Patriot Act. According to the opinion—parts of which are redacted—the NSA improperly collected untold numbers of "multi-communications transactions" (MCTs) as they were in transit around the internet. The NSA is intentionally vague about what MCTs are, but they are believed to be groups of emails, metadata, screenshots of your inbox, and still-classified types of digital information (here's the best primer explaining MCTs).

Under Section 702, the NSA is allowed to collect domestic communication if Americans are communicating directly with a "foreign intelligence target" as approved by the FISC court. According to the opinion, the NSA had been collecting information if a foreign target was merely mentioned in the communication.

"Upstream collection could acquire an entire MCT for which the active user was a nontarget and that mostly pertained to non-targets, merely because a single discrete communication within the MCT was to, from or contained a reference to a tasked selector," Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote. "Such acquisitions could take place even if the non-target active user was a U.S. person in the United States and the MCT contained a large number of domestic communications that did not pertain to the foreign intelligence target."

Instead of focusing on this revelation--i.e., that the Obama Administration was illegally intercepting the communications of many Americans--most of the media is still busy ridiculing Trump for his claim that Obama had him "wire tapped" and obsessing over an anonymous report that Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, had talked with Russia's Ambassador last December and allegedly conspired to set up a private means of communication.

Hardly anyone has focused on the irony of Kushner being concerned about Obama and his cronies intercepting Trump campaign communications while we are getting news that is exactly what transpired under Obama. There is no genuine protection for private communications.

I am shocked by the intensity of the propaganda campaign against the Trumpers and against the Russians. Having worked on covert action programs during my time in the intelligence community, I do have an appreciation and understanding about how such campaigns are mounted and carried out. What is being done inside the United States by our foreign intelligence organizations signals we have crossed a dangerous threshold. Our traditional beliefs about privacy and the requirement for a warrant before authorities can poke around in your personal affairs are no longer valid.

Normally we would expect the so-called liberal media to attack such abuses and lead the charge against the law breakers. But these are not normal times. The media, for the most part, are partisan hacks who are so opposed to Trump that they will gladly embrace authoritarian, fascist tactics as long as they are directed against the Trump Presidency.

One interesting twist in all of this--as long as Trump plays along with the deep state, for example, by vilifying Russia and carrying out illegal U.S. military operations in Syria, then Trump's abuses are ignored and even cheered. There is not legal basis for Trump to authorize bombing strikes in Syria but most in the U.S. establishment and media seem content to welcome those actions.

We are becoming immunized as a society to accept Presidential authority to break laws and numb to any evidence of wrong doing as long as it is embraced by the media establishment. A very dangerous time for our Republic.
 
Sharia compliance is not a threat because it not going to happen.

You are free to lay out the mechanism by which you think it is possible, including how many Muslims worldwide you think are in favor of sharia, how many it would take to get a critical mass in the U.S., the improbable advances in transportation technology that would even get that many imaginary people here (I hope it's Star Trek like transporters) and why an increasingly secularized populace would be accepting of any prohibition when it's accelerating in completely the opposite direction as we speak.

I'm sure the people of Europe would be happy to set up a NGO that would pay for "refugees" being shipped directly to the US. Lets say one million for a start.
Imagine the joy and pride they will feel when they see the statue of liberty for the first time.
Imagine the large crowds of leftists cheering and holding signs "refugees welcome" at the docks.
Imagine even more joy when the families of the refugees will join them later.
If all goes well, we can send you even more, one million per year shouldn't be a problem for a huge and rich country like the US. After all, according to Western MSM these people are highly trained and "worth more than gold"!
 
I'm sure the people of Europe would be happy to set up a NGO that would pay for "refugees" being shipped directly to the US. Lets say one million for a start.
Imagine the joy and pride they will feel when they see the statue of liberty for the first time.
Imagine the large crowds of leftists cheering and holding signs "refugees welcome" at the docks.
Imagine even more joy when the families of the refugees will join them later.
If all goes well, we can send you even more, one million per year shouldn't be a problem for a huge and rich country like the US. After all, according to Western MSM these people are highly trained and "worth more than gold"!


Precisely. At the rate you would need 300 years just to achieve refugee to American parity, except oops, you'd run out of refugees the second year.

Critical thinking and reasoning. The biggest danger to the U.S. by far.
 
Precisely. At the rate you would need 300 years just to achieve refugee to American parity, except oops, you'd run out of refugees the second year.

Critical thinking and reasoning. The biggest danger to the U.S. by far.

You are forgetting, they breed like rabbits. And they want to kill us in between driving uber. They'd get parody, I mean parity, in 50 years.
 
Precisely. At the rate you would need 300 years just to achieve refugee to American parity, except oops, you'd run out of refugees the second year.

Europe won't run out of "refugees"! Or Muslims for that matter. Germany and France alone could provide you for years to come. And that doesn't take into account the constant flow of "refugees" from Middle Eastern or North/ Black African countries. Or the flood of Mexicans entering the US.
And good luck with Sharia.

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If you imported the entire nations of Germany and France it wouldn't be enough. And I'm pretty sure Mexicans are typically muslim.
 
If you imported the entire nations of Germany and France it wouldn't be enough. And I'm pretty sure Mexicans are typically muslim.

1 million single men, once granted asylum, will turn into 6 million people once their family can follow them (legally).
10 years, even without offsprings, and you'll have enough Sharia loving Muslims in the US to cause serious problems.
In Denmark you already have Imams calling for killing Jews and I'm sure the same happens in France, Germany, Sweden, Austria and Italy.
Luckily, by that time, most of the US, especially the West Coast, will be predominantly Latino.
 
Because importing masses of functionally retarded people with sub 80 IQ who breed and live for an ideology which is in total antithesis to Western values is a great way to go. Doghouse, can't you see the flaw? Don't you even try the "not all" or "no true scotsman fallacy".
 
Because importing masses of functionally retarded people with sub 80 IQ who breed and live for an ideology which is in total antithesis to Western values is a great way to go. Doghouse, can't you see the flaw? Don't you even try the "not all" or "no true scotsman fallacy".

Where did I advocate for importing masses of sub 80 IQ people who live for any ideology, much less one that is the antithesis of Western values? That's quite the strawman.
 
Where did I advocate for importing masses of sub 80 IQ people who live for an ideology, much less one that is the antithesis of Western values? That's quite the strawman.
Because that's what the masses of refugees coming to Europe are. It's all fun and games to get to choose the 1 out of X nuclear scientist, doctor or engineer, though. And even if they are intelligent with a degree, if they are truly muslim they are then incompatible with the west.
 
Because that's what the masses of refugees coming to Europe are. It's all fun and games to get to choose the 1 out of X nuclear scientist, doctor or engineer, though. And even if they are intelligent with a degree, if they are truly muslim they are then incompatible with the west.

Christianity isn't compatible with the West either, but we've manage to pretend for several hundred years.


I didn't advocate importing all of them, I pointed out the impossibility of bringing enough to make Sharia law possible in the US which our dear Lord posited along with our tailor and the IT department worried. With every descriptor you guys give you are just driving my point home as you narrow the candidates. You can even use some absurdly high number for the low IQ group, say 15% if you like, that's about 300,000 people. The US has 330 million. It's just basic math. Doesn't matter the birth rate or any of that stuff, it's physically impossible.

Critical
Thinking.

Logic.

These are what's killing the West. Fitting facts to one's subhuman emotional responses is the issue that will bring us down.
 
Christianity isn't compatible with the West either, but we've manage to pretend for several hundred years.

How can you say that when it was the dominant religion during the evolution of the west? Furthermore, it's less and less relevant to modern society, as people aren't willing to jump into the blind faith anymore. Muslims, on the other hand...


I didn't advocate importing all of them, I pointed out the impossibility of bringing enough to make Sharia law possible in the US which our dear Lord posited along with our tailor and the IT department worried. With every descriptor you guys give you are just driving my point home as you narrow the candidates. You can even use some absurdly high number for the low IQ group, say 15% if you like, that's about 300,000 people. The US has 330 million. It's just basic math. Doesn't matter the birth rate or any of that stuff, it's physically impossible.

Critical
Thinking.

Logic.

These are what's killing the West. Fitting facts to one's subhuman emotional responses is the issue that will bring us down.

They are out breeding everyone, and all want to live in our countries because their countries are shit holes. You're sort of ignoring the point that continues to be made to you, which is people are uncomfortable living around a large body of these people whose values are incompatible with the ones we grew up with. Instead you just sit around being an apologist for anything that is not a white male.

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Back on track: Any news about Kushner baby talking to Russians?
Isn't he tied to Soros, so getting him out of the WH wouldn't be the baddest thing?
 
How can you say that when it was the dominant religion during the evolution of the west?

Precisely because leaving behind Christianity is what defines the West. The Muslims here in the US will leave behind hyper religiosity as well, most already are, as have the jews. In the battle of ideas you either believe your ideas are better or you don't.


You're sort of ignoring the point that continues to be made to you, which is people are uncomfortable living around a large body of these people whose values are incompatible with the ones we grew up with.

We've established that you're scared of leaving your comfort zone awhile back. Right now we are specifically discussing whether letting in refugees will result in Sharia law in the US, if you want to talk about something else you need to start another conversation so we can talk about it. Replying to an existing conversation about a different position makes no sense. But if you want to talk about it, people should be uncomfortable every day of their lives. Being comfortable is the single most destructive condition to human development, and the genesis of the West is shedding comfortable norms for radical though and freedom that are wildly uncomfortable.
 
The Muslims here in the US will leave behind hyper religiosity as well, most already are

I don't see evidence of that. It's a notoriously stubborn belief set. They have problems assimilating everywhere they go.

We've established that you're scared of leaving your comfort zone awhile back. Right now we are specifically discussing whether letting in refugees will result in Sharia law in the US, if you want to talk about something else you need to start another conversation so we can talk about it. Replying to an existing conversation about a different position makes no sense. But if you want to talk about it, people should be uncomfortable every day of their lives. Being comfortable is the single most destructive condition to human development, and the genesis of the West is shedding comfortable norms for radical though and freedom that are wildly uncomfortable.

I am happy to leave my so called comfort zone when something better is presented. Sharia is already being practiced in the US. There are not shortage of articles and examples like this. Just the other day a pair of doctors were arrested for performing female circumcision. Honor killings are a growing problem:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/1...ment-mulls-guidelines-as-grim-toll-rises.html

You don't need a majority, you need a group of people willing to ignore the law of the land.
 

Who cares what that hag thinks. Germans need the US market way more than the other way around.

Trump called Germany out first for lack of NATO money and trade imbalances. He basically indicated that Germany was not a reliable partner. But the corporate globalist media seized on Merkel's comments like she is some hero.

As far as that metrosexual Marcon, who cares?

Trump is putting America first, and he views Germany as a problem not only economically, but a friend to islamic extremism.
 

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